My Thoughts On Rumored Rams Draft Picks

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I've seen Sam read defenses, look off safeties and make progressions plenty of times... I also saw Quick break tackles and take it to the house as well as go up and get the ball in his limited time. We need different types of receivers. Shifty ones that can make guys miss underneath (best for dump offs if everyone downfield is covered) and big ones that can go up at get the ball from it's highest point. Balance, that's the key to a good team.
 

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Im not a firm Sam defender but I think ge can improve alot with a stronget oline and the consistency of staying in the same system. Again not saying keep him or,drop him just lets see what he does this year
 

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So let me ask this. For all of you that are backing Sam Bradford what has he done in his career that makes you think he's good? I'm being kind of a smart ass with this statement, but do you think there is some sort of magic potion he will drink that will make him start making his progressions on receivers? Start looking off Safeties? Start reading Defenses?
First of all, don't do that. You want legitimate debate, then approach it that way.

What has he done in his career? Not a whole helluva lot. Nobody here is insinuating that he lit the league on fire. Sam Bradford is a pocket passer who hasn't been set up as one since his rookie campaign. That rookie year also saw him lose his only good receiver at the time (Clayton), and showcased two UDFAs and a 5th rounder as his go-to targets. He had an average, albeit normal, rookie year (by comparison); but he also set a number of records as well.

2011 saw him lose everybody around him. The entire offensive line to the point that they were signing guys midweek off of the streets and starting them on Sundays. Search the news archives and reacquaint yourself with the facts of that season if you TRULY want to be objective. Football isn't played on paper, so stats are only sufficient for getting one-half of the picture. He also lost his go-to receiver (the one you had very specific things to say about too), and his starting RB in week 1. Then he himself got injured and was not 100% for the rest of the year. You remember that, right?

Your assertions about his shortcomings as a QB are only that. Why don't you put up some videos of him doing the things you say he's doing wrong instead of assuming everyone is going to take your word for it? I've made several videos of this entire team last year, and I don't see anything remotely like what you're talking about. In doing so, I've heard several LEGITIMATE football analysts say (during the games) that Bradford was doing the things you say he doesn't do, and they say he does them well. So unless you have a way of backing your assertions with some sort of evidence, it's not going to be met with unilateral approval.

And I've always laughed at the notion of a receiver getting separation. In college you see guys running wide open. In the NFL the notion of consistent separation does not exist. Calvin Johnson does not get separation. He's always got defenders draped all over him.
And? All you did there was tell us that the top 1 or 2 receivers in the league can produce in traffic. The truth of the matter is that consistent separation does exist, and it's a product of good protection, decent route-running and good play-calling. Amendola got open frequently. So did Alexander. So did Clayton. Where are those guys now? But back to your statement of Calvin Johnson not getting separation. Do I really need to prove how untrue that is?

I'll tell you what the Rams receivers problems have been.

#1. None of them consistently high point a ball. Brandon Gibson was the only one that did that.

#2. None of them had the ability to break a tackle and/or get yards after the tackle. Rams receivers seem to always catch and get tackled.
That's more or less true. So what does that tell you about the state of this offense the past few years? And how do you think those statements are impacted by losing several offensive linemen (2012) during the earlier part of the year - including the LT, RT, C and G? Don't you think those receivers who can't (by your own admission) perform at a high level will become even less effective with less time due to a beat up offensive line?

Going back to the Tavon Austin thing. Do you see any defenses in the NFL that resemble the crappy defenses he played in the Big XII or Big East? You realize most College Defenses have one, maybe two players that can play in the NFL? How many NFL starting CB's did Austin play against in college? How did he do? The Head Coach at West Virginia was the OC at Oklahoma State prior to going to WVU. Why is it his offenses consistently put up big numbers rarely produce NFL players?
There's some validity there, but the bottom line is ... you have no idea how his game will translate.

I am telling you guys Austin is an NFL player, but not an every down player. He's like a 3rd down RB. Or a run stuffing DT. Or a Passing down edge rusher. He's a specialist player. He's not a 3 down offensive player. And those type of players should not be drafted in the first round.
That's a lot of knowledge about Austin, but none of it can be proven. If you had prefaced all of that with, "It's my belief that...", then it would probably be met with some decent counter-opinions. Right now, what's the point of telling you you're wrong? You already TOLD ME that you have it all figured out. Now, all that said ... I tend to agree with you. Austin will probably flourish in one of the fancy new read-option offenses before he'd flourish in this particular offense. But then again, I have no idea if that's true either.
 

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I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal, Playmaker. Just differing of opinions.

I think we can all agree on one thing.. We want whats best for the Rams. I think Sam Bradford IS the answer. I think that this year is indeed a year we are going to have to judge him and expect him to put up bigger numbers. 2nd year in the same offense.. gathering weapons, etc. If he fails.. is there a problem? I think there might be, but not pressing the panic button.

But I think Sam will succeed. On the football field he commands the huddle well, he's got a great arm, extremely accurate and he's VERY smart. He's learning to tuck and run for first downs. He's got everything you want in a franchise QB.

I'm a believer in Bradford. I really am.
 

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So let me ask this. For all of you that are backing Sam Bradford what has he done in his career that makes you think he's good? I'm being kind of a smart ass with this statement, but do you think there is some sort of magic potion he will drink that will make him start making his progressions on receivers? Start looking off Safeties? Start reading Defenses?

I love the coach's film function because before, you could disagree but it wasn't really possible to go back and prove it. It is now.

Having reviewed every snap Sam took in 2012...multiple times...I can say with complete confidence that Bradford already makes progressions, already looks off safeties and already reads defenses.

You'd be better off using the word consistently here. That would be entirely debatable because it doesn't have a specific enough definition.

Going back to the Tavon Austin thing. Do you see any defenses in the NFL that resemble the crappy defenses he played in the Big XII or Big East? You realize most College Defenses have one, maybe two players that can play in the NFL? How many NFL starting CB's did Austin play against in college? How did he do? The Head Coach at West Virginia was the OC at Oklahoma State prior to going to WVU. Why is it his offenses consistently put up big numbers rarely produce NFL players?

He shredded a LSU secondary with Tyrann Mathieu, Eric Reid, Morris Claiborne, Tharold Simon and Brandon Taylor. And I mean shredded. Could have had well over 200 yards if Geno Smith hadn't locked onto Stedman Bailey on a play and missed a wide open Austin for a 80+ yard TD.

Interesting you bring up Hologorsen. At Oklahoma State, they produced Kendall Hunter, Brandon Weeden and Justin Blackmon. Now West Virginia is producing Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin and Geno Smith.

Guess who Holgorsen coached at Texas Tech? DANNY AMENDOLA, MICHAEL CRABTREE AND WES WELKER.

How many NFL players does he need to produce to shake this knock?

I am telling you guys Austin is an NFL player, but not an every down player. He's like a 3rd down RB. Or a run stuffing DT. Or a Passing down edge rusher. He's a specialist player. He's not a 3 down offensive player. And those type of players should not be drafted in the first round.

Percy Harvin, Wes Welker and Danny Amendola are every down players...what is stopping Austin from being that?
 

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Ok guys, I would like to say I am sorry for the way I handled this thread. I got very frustrated when he voiced his opinion about Sam and every one jumped on him.

Instead of starting to talk about it again, I apologize. We are all Rams fans and in the end we want the best for our team, even if we see it though different views and ways.
 

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And I still say this about Fisher and Bradford. Yahoo Sports' Michael Silver is a close friend of Jeff Fisher. So close a friend that he was allowed in the Draft Room of the Rams last year to do an all-access piece for Yahoo Sports. Silver reported during the Fisher-Rams courtship in January of 2012 that Fisher was not sold on Sam Bradford as a difference making QB. Of course Fisher poo-pooed this once he was hired. But there was a meeting with Bradford before Fisher was hired. My people close to the Rams have told me Fisher and Snead knew when they took the job they'd be stuck with Bradford in 2012 and 2013 due to his guaranteed money, regardless of whether they thought he was any good or not. But after 2013 they could make the decision of whether they wanted to go forward with Bradford or let him go and go in a different direction. That is why they traded out of the #2 spot in 2012. They were stuck with Bradford due to the contract and guaranteed money tied to it in 2012 and 2013.

So Fisher and Snead said "we are going to trade the pick, build the roster in 2012 and 2013 and then get rid of that contract, the mediocre play at QB, and get someone that is a true difference maker in 2014. The two first round picks in 2014 will allow them to trade up to get a QB if they are too far back. This years draft will be spent finishing building the Offensive Line and the Defense. Then next year with the Bradford contract off the books, they can go into free agency to get a WR and get their QB in the Draft.
Can you post a link to the report by Silver that "Fisher was not sold on Sam Bradford". I don't recall seeing that.
 

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Can you post a link to the report by Silver that "Fisher was not sold on Sam Bradford". I don't recall seeing that.
It was a tweet. I remember seeing it when it happened.
 

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Ok guys, I would like to say I am sorry for the way I handled this thread. I got very frustrated when he voiced his opinion about Sam and every one jumped on him.

Instead of starting to talk about it again, I apologize. We are all Rams fans and in the end we want the best for our team, even if we see it though different views and ways.
That's fine. Next time just let the staff here do their jobs.

I cleaned this thread out of all offending posts. I don't want MY forum to look like a shit-hole, so I expect everyone else to do their part to help this forum maintain a clean image. There are a lot of people who have invested a lot of time and money into this place, so I want people to remember that posting here is a privilege. You can take advantage of it, or pass it by, but as long as you're here, we expect everyone to adhere to the rules of the road.

Every post has a report button as well. Use it if you have any concerns.
 

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I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal, Playmaker. Just differing of opinions.

I think we can all agree on one thing.. We want whats best for the Rams.

One thing you will find out about me quickly. I don't take things personally and I don't make things personal. Even if I am personally attacked (at RRF I received death threats via PM) I never respond in a similar fashion.
 

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A55VA6 said:
I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal, Playmaker. Just differing of opinions.

I think we can all agree on one thing.. We want whats best for the Rams.

One thing you will find out about me quickly. I don't take things personally and I don't make things personal. Even if I am personally attacked (at RRF I received death threats via PM) I never respond in a similar fashion.
I'd like to see these questions, about Fisher/Snead's plans to dump Sam Bradford, asked of Kevin Demoff in the Redux forum. Since I don't know the background and details of the inside story, I don't think I'm the appropriate one to create the post. But I'd like to see Kevin's reaction to the claims being made.
 

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Ok guys, I would like to say I am sorry for the way I handled this thread. I got very frustrated when he voiced his opinion about Sam and every one jumped on him.

Instead of starting to talk about it again, I apologize. We are all Rams fans and in the end we want the best for our team, even if we see it though different views and ways.
That's fine. Next time just let the staff here do their jobs.

I cleaned this thread out of all offending posts. I don't want MY forum to look like a shit-hole, so I expect everyone else to do their part to help this forum maintain a clean image. There are a lot of people who have invested a lot of time and money into this place, so I want people to remember that posting here is a privilege. You can take advantage of it, or pass it by, but as long as you're here, we expect everyone to adhere to the rules of the road.

Every post has a report button as well. Use it if you have any concerns.

sounds good Dude :peace:
 

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Playmaker said:
A55VA6 said:
I hope you haven't taken anything I've said personal, Playmaker. Just differing of opinions.

I think we can all agree on one thing.. We want whats best for the Rams.

One thing you will find out about me quickly. I don't take things personally and I don't make things personal. Even if I am personally attacked (at RRF I received death threats via PM) I never respond in a similar fashion.
I'd like to see these questions, about Fisher/Snead's plans to dump Sam Bradford, asked of Kevin Demoff in the Redux forum. Since I don't know the background and details of the inside story, I don't think I'm the appropriate one to create the post. But I'd like to see Kevin's reaction to the claims being made.
I don't think it would matter. Kevin Demoff isn't going to validate those claims. And after he debunks them, the normal course of action for the skeptic is to say that KD is only towing the company line and wouldn't go throwing anyone under the bus anyway. Even if it WERE true.

That's your prototypical lose-lose scenario.
 

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Here is the deal gentlemen. Even the biggest Bradford Honks in the STL Media is starting to turn on Bradford. I can not tell you how many national shows I've seen and articles I've been reading that are saying the Rams are "stuck" with Bradford for 2013. And after that they can get rid of the contract and build a team.

It doesn't matter what anyone outside of Fisher, Snead, Demoff and Kroenke think about Sam. What truly matters is what they think. And from all reports, Fisher's been saying many, many good things about Sam as has Snead.

Some people (Charlie Casserly, Mike Mayock, Michael Florio) have even said if the Rams like a QB enough at #16 or #22, they could take one there knowing they'll be off the hook for Bradford after 2013 (can cut him with lesser cap hit).

Why take a QB in the 1st when the Rams have at least a respectable one currently?

Here is the issue with Bradford, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford in accordance to the new CBA. Their rookie contracts were so big that they will not be taking pay cuts in an extension. That means in Stafford's new deal with the Lions, he will likely make 15 million a year. Is Stafford a 15 million a year QB? No. Is Matt Ryan a 20 million a QB? No. Neither is Flacco and Bradford sure isn't.

While I do understand the point you are trying to make, it doesn't sound like a huge issue. Demoff said something to the effect that they don't have a problem with paying Bradford his current salary. Would I be shocked if he took a paycut? Probably, but I wouldn't rule it out of the picture.
 

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Can you post a link to the report by Silver that "Fisher was not sold on Sam Bradford". I don't recall seeing that.
It was a tweet. I remember seeing it when it happened.

<a class="postlink" href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aomv1wNf3zXbQgN1PnH6lIY5nYcB?slug=ms-silver_nfl_playoff_rankings_jeff_fisher_dolphins_010412" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... ins_010412</a>

Dolphins have upper hand in Fisher sweepstakes
By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports Wednesday, Jan 4, 2012

The helicopter hovered high over the Miami Dolphins’ practice field, a conspicuous symbol of owner Stephen Ross’ wealth and his desire to bring the NFL’s hottest head-coaching candidate into the fold. And Jeff Fisher, a man who once parachuted out of a copter to join a Tennessee Titans practice, got the message loud and clear.

Fisher, according to a source familiar with his thinking, left South Florida on Tuesday with stone crabs in his stomach and a very positive impression of Ross and the Dolphins’ organization. He is scheduled to spend Wednesday and Thursday interviewing in St. Louis, where Rams owner Stan Kroenke has also targeted him as a top head-coaching candidate, and he may still be in the mix in Jacksonville (where the Jaguars have an opening), Indianapolis (where Colts coach Jim Caldwell is still employed after a front-office shakeup) or even Dallas (if Cowboys owner Jerry Jones goes against his recent public assurances that coach Jason Garrett’s job is safe).

Yet make no mistake – [hil]the Dolphins are putting the hard sell on Fisher, and their efforts have been largely successful[/hil]. The biggest potential obstacle to a deal between the two parties may be Kroenke (or, if he were so motivated, Jones) blowing him away with an even more compelling pitch.

[hil]Forget all the noise out there about Fisher, who left the Titans last January after a 16-plus season run, being primarily motivated by the presence of a franchise quarterback or insisting upon personnel control.[/hil] His most important consideration is his comfort with an organization and a belief that its ownership is motivated to win and aggressively focused on that goal – and Ross, during Fisher’s recent visit, made a convincing case.

Was Tuesday’s helicopter ride partly responsible? Well, yes and no. Fisher has been aboard military choppers in Iraq (as part of an NFL-sponsored coaches tour) and obviously isn’t going to be swayed solely by the superficialities of recruiting.

Conversely, Fisher couldn’t help but juxtapose Ross’ five-star treatment with the no-frills approach of his former employer, Titans owner Bud Adams. Fisher, remember, coached the franchise from its move to Houston (as the Oilers) to Nashville, with an interim stop in Memphis. The team played home games in four different stadiums from 1996-99 and at one point operated out of sparse, temporary trailers.

Fisher flew on Adams’ private plane when he accompanied a Titans delegation to the Hall of Fame induction of current Tennessee coach Mike Munchak in 2001, but it was hardly a common occurrence.

What is it with Ross, coaching searches and aircraft, anyway? Ross and general manager Jeff Ireland famously took the owner’s private jet to California last January to meet with then-Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, even though Dolphins coach Tony Sparano was still employed, creating a public relations nightmare.

Harbaugh ended up taking the 49ers job, and Ross and Ireland returned to conduct an awkward press conference at which the owner apologized for his treatment of Sparano and announced that he had given the coach a two-year contract extension. Sparano was fired in December after the Dolphins’ record dropped to 4-9 in his fourth season and Todd Bowles was named interim coach.

To outsiders, the current search has also appeared clumsy, with Ross’ close confidante, longtime Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson, participating in Fisher’s interview but, according to nfl.com, absent for those of Bowles and Chicago Bears special teams coach Dave Toub.

However, this seems to be a reflection of the franchise’s overriding desire to bring Fisher into the fold, and if they land him, Ross and the organization will be vindicated.

In addition to coming away with a favorable impression of Ross, Fisher believes he could easily work with Peterson – who may accept a formal role of team president in the near future – and Ireland, the team’s holdover GM. He goes way back with both men. Ireland, in fact, was an 11-year-old ball boy at Chicago Bears training camp in 1981, when Fisher was a rookie defensive back.

Fisher, who spent much of 2011 season watching NFL game tapes, was highly impressed by the talent on the Dolphins’ roster among other things. And while the Dolphins still have an unsettled quarterback situation, this is not a deal-breaker for Fisher. [hil]Contrary to some reports, he is not 100-percent sold on the Rams’ Sam Bradford as a franchise quarterback, either.[/hil]

Besides, given the Dolphins’ desire to enter into a long-term arrangement with Fisher, and his track record of stability as the Titans’ coach, such considerations are not preeminent. Instead, Fisher wants to feel as though he is part of an atmosphere where success is expected and encouraged, and he craves an owner whose commitment is unwavering.

Among the reasons for Fisher’s departure from the Titans, three weeks after Adams had announced the coach would stay on in 2011, was a disagreement over the makeup of his staff. Fisher believed he’d been assured upon agreeing to return that certain assistants could be brought aboard, including his son, Brandon. When he was later informed that ownership had balked at such an arrangement, Fisher felt misled and betrayed, and the process of negotiating his buyout commenced.

Brandon Fisher, incidentally, spent this season with the Lions as a defensive coaching assistant. Detroit coach Jim Schwartz, a former Titans defensive coordinator under Jeff Fisher, glowed in November about Brandon’s talents, describing him as a “rock star.”

Still, the Rams remain an intriguing option for Fisher, who has a favorable opinion of Kroenke. The organization’s chief operating officer, Kevin Demoff, is the son of Fisher’s longtime agent, Marvin, and it’s likely that Fisher – were he to take the coaching job – would have a strong say in the hiring of the team’s next general manager. Offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who is still under contract despite the firing of head coach Steve Spagnuolo and the rest of his staff, would seem to be a poor fit with Fisher, who believes in a power-running attack.

At this point two other teams with coaching openings, the Chiefs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers, do not seem to be in the market for his services. The Jaguars’ search has been more deliberate than that of the Rams and Dolphins, making a successful run at Fisher less likely. Fisher would also seem to be an intriguing option for Jones, his former colleague on the NFL competition committee, should the Dallas owner decide to make a play. Earlier this week Jones said he “unequivocally” supports Garrett, who went 8-8 in his first full season as the team’s head coach.


If Jones did decide to reverse course and make a run at Fisher, it would be tricky, as he would also need to interview a minority candidate to comply with the Rooney Rule. The Dolphins have already satisfied that requirement by interviewing Bowles, and they appear to be poised to enter serious negotiations with Fisher, if and when he decides that they are his preferred destination.

In the meantime, literally and figuratively, Ross and his operation are flying high in the coach’s mind.


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I highlighted a few things of note, including the remarks about Bradford.... Silver also says that the Dolphins had the upper hand, and that Fisher didn't really care about not having a Franchise QB, as well that he didn't think Bradford was one (Silver then said what he meant was Fisher liked Bradford but didn't love him)..... Fisher, after picking the Rams, said that he fell in love with Sam Bradford right away and that he was a large part of why he chose the Rams, because he liked having a Franchise QB.

Which means either Silver is right and Fisher doesn't really like Bradford, and plans on dumping him as soon as he can, but he decided to pick the Rams even though he wanted his own franchise QB instead of a team that apparently had the upper hand and would have allowed him to pick his own franchise QB..... And then he told everyone the opposite even though he had trading partners just because.

Or Silver has a few sources, but like most reporters don't really know shit, and can take any minor story from any 'source' and make it into something much more than it really is.
 

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Or Silver has a few sources, but like most reporters don't really know shyte, and can take any minor story from any 'source' and make it into something much more than it really is.

There is a 3rd option. Silver is close to Fisher but Fisher wasn't tipping his hand at that point in the process and Silver speculated on something that he didn't have all the info on.

What I wonder is how one can argue that Fisher and Snead don't speak out of both sides of their mouth then argue that they do...

Doesn't make sense to me.
 

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I highlighted a few things of note, including the remarks about Bradford.... Silver also says that the Dolphins had the upper hand, and that Fisher didn't really care about not having a Franchise QB, as well that he didn't think Bradford was one (Silver then said what he meant was Fisher liked Bradford but didn't love him)..... Fisher, after picking the Rams, said that he fell in love with Sam Bradford right away and that he was a large part of why he chose the Rams, because he liked having a Franchise QB.

Which means either Silver is right and Fisher doesn't really like Bradford, and plans on dumping him as soon as he can, but he decided to pick the Rams even though he wanted his own franchise QB instead of a team that apparently had the upper hand and would have allowed him to pick his own franchise QB..... And then he told everyone the opposite even though he had trading partners just because.

Or Silver has a few sources, but like most reporters don't really know shit, and can take any minor story from any 'source' and make it into something much more than it really is.
Thanks for finding this reference and posting.

So, is this pre-Fish-hire report by Silver all we have to substantiate the claim that Fish doesn't like Bradford? Is there more, other than a few media heads making comments like Rams will have to tolerate Bradford's contract for one more season?

The OP referred to inside sources or sources close to the Rams. Can this be expanded upon in order to lend support to the Fish doesn't like Bradford claim
 

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I highlighted a few things of note, including the remarks about Bradford.... Silver also says that the Dolphins had the upper hand, and that Fisher didn't really care about not having a Franchise QB, as well that he didn't think Bradford was one (Silver then said what he meant was Fisher liked Bradford but didn't love him)..... Fisher, after picking the Rams, said that he fell in love with Sam Bradford right away and that he was a large part of why he chose the Rams, because he liked having a Franchise QB.

Which means either Silver is right and Fisher doesn't really like Bradford, and plans on dumping him as soon as he can, but he decided to pick the Rams even though he wanted his own franchise QB instead of a team that apparently had the upper hand and would have allowed him to pick his own franchise QB..... And then he told everyone the opposite even though he had trading partners just because.

Or Silver has a few sources, but like most reporters don't really know shit, and can take any minor story from any 'source' and make it into something much more than it really is.
Thanks for finding this reference and posting.

So, is this pre-Fish-hire report by Silver all we have to substantiate the claim that Fish doesn't like Bradford? Is there more, other than a few media heads making comments like Rams will have to tolerate Bradford's contract for one more season?

The OP referred to inside sources or sources close to the Rams. Can this be expanded upon in order to lend support to the Fish doesn't like Bradford claim

bradford haters will cling to any negative report, no matter how trivial, to point out how the rams don't believe in him. Unfortunately for them when you see fisher talking about him he can't be more glowing in his comments. They better get used to the idea that sam is here to stay for the long haul.

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If you like Austin of course you'll agree with those that like Austin too. I'm just saying I have a long history of being right despite being the lone voice on certain subjects.

I said Rodger Saffold will not be the long term answer at OLT back in 2010 on RRF. I was ridiculed.

I said James Laurinaitis was just a guy at MLB back in 2009. So far he has not been a difference maker.

I said Sam Bradford was a product of his system at Oklahoma. He played behind one of the greatest O-Lines in College History in 2008 in one of the worst defensive conferences in College. I said once most of those linemen left in 2009, Bradford couldn't make it through one game without being hurt. That Josh Hypel and Jason White put up similar numbers in the same offense at Oklahoma and never made it in the NFL. And Bradford would be the same. And I so far so good on that one. That 2010 draft was similar to this years draft. QB poor. Bradford was the first QB taken. Tim Tebow was the other first round QB that year. The next two were Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy. Two of the four of them have already been traded.

Plus I crack up when the Spags and Devaney detractors rip those two for all their poor draft choices (only Laurinaitis, Bradford, Saffold, Quinn, Kendricks, and Pettis remain from the 2009-2011 drafts). Yet when the Bradford pick is brought up, they get defensive about it.
Just a tip. When I read a post with so much self-aggrandizement, I tend to tune out. I'm sure your opinion is in there somewhere, but it just comes off as authority. No one here--no one in the media for that matter--is an authority on the Rams and the Draft. Certainly not this Draft.

Btw, there's no "I" in forum.