Manziel questions fairness of Browns looking elsewhere for a quarterback

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I don't know if they wrote it down on the draft card but I did hear from friends back home that the HC didn't want him but the owner and GM did after the text exchange. But of course who really knows what happened.

Word is that the GM made the final call so I don't think what you heard is true.

It's just a rumor but that's what I heard. Here's an article that might support that opinion:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_gm_ray_farmer_4.html
Farmer(GM) loved Bridgewater while Haslam(Owner) loved Manziel.

Rumor was that Farmer wrote down Bridgewater and was ready to submit the pick but Haslam overruled him and chose Manziel.

None of us will ever know if it is true. But if I were the GM, I might have resigned that day if it were true. Because you're risking your reputation on a guy that you didn't get to pick.
 

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/karlos_dansby_says_johnny_manz.html

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns linebacker Karlos Dansby said first-round picks Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert both wasted their first seasons and better get it together in a hurry or they'll be gone.

"When you're a first-round pick, you've got to c'mon, man'' said Dansby. "They've got to reset their goals and they've got to do it fast.''

He agreed with safety Donte Whitner that Gilbert wasted his rookie season by not working hard enough and said Manziel obviously feels he wasted his by not putting in the time.

"There's so much (Gilbert) could've done better and he didn't put forth the effort,'' said Dansby. "So yeah, it's a wasted year.

"Like Johnny said the same thing, it's a wasted year for him. That's how he feels. He's like 'damn, I've got to take this more seriously. I've wasted all this time.' That's basically what he's saying. So it's like 'don't waste your time man, because it's precious bro. You never know when you're going to be done. You're one play away from never playing this game again.'''

Dansby said he was surprised to hear Manziel publicly admit Tuesday that he has to take it more seriously because this is his job now.

"When did you figure that out?'' said Dansby. "When I saw the statement, I was like 'hold on, so what are you saying?' But that's the thing with a lot of rookies these days. Their only goal is to get into the NFL. They want the glam and the flash but they're not willing to put in the grind and the work and the time in order to be great. They want it to just fall in their lap and it doesn't happen like that.''

Dansby rattled off a list of first round picks, especially quarterbacks, that flamed out quickly after only a few years, the Matt Leinarts and Ryan Leafs and Tim Tebows.

"The list goes on and on,'' said Dansby. "All of a sudden, it's your second year, third year, fourth year and then you're gone. There's no time to waste. You can't take a day off. You've really got to put in some work and now they understand that. It's a job, this is work.''

Dansby said he and Whitner have taken it upon themselves to bring out the greatness in Gilbert, the Browns' No. 8 overall pick.

"You've got to live up to expectations and you've got to play up to expectations and that's what we expect of him,'' said Dansby. "It's a learning curve for him and we all understand that, but at some point the switch has to turn on and you've got to go for it and we haven't seen him just go for it and do it on a consistent basis.''

He said Gilbert hasn't shown the willingness in any facet of his preparation.

"He needs to step up to the plate in practice, meetings, everything,'' he said. "Being a pro, it takes a lot. It's a lot of stress, a lot of pressure. We're trying to teach him. But he's got to want it for himself. If you don't want it for yourself, you'll be average, and we know the potential that he has.

"You see it and we want him to go, put your head down and go. Be the guy that we know you can be. We see it, he'll show a flash here and there, just do it on a consistent basis.''

He said he's played with some of the best cornerbacks in the NFL and he knows what they do to be great.

"I've played with Patrick Peterson, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Joe Haden and they do it on a consistent basis,'' he said. "They study film. They know what the hell's going on. They know their role, their position, how they're supposed to play their technique. They got it down pat and they're working on it day in and day out all the time. They want to be the best, every last one of them.''

He said the Browns have used "tough love'' on Gilbert all year because coddling doesn't work in the NFL.

"You can't babysit nobody,'' he said. "This is a grown man's game, so we have to give him that tough love because we know he's got it in him. Somehow, someway we have to pull it up out of him. If it's ticking him off, then we have to tick him off.

"We've got to strike that nerve in him to make him take his game to the next level because we know he's got it in him. We see it.''

He said he's seen plenty of guys turn it around after a rocky start.

"That first year is going to be rough as hell,'' he said. "Once it clicks in that second year, I've seen guys take off and never look back.''

Whitner said Gilbert didn't say anything to him about him telling him publicly to stop acting like a kid.

"No, because it's the truth,'' he said. "He understands that. We're going to move forward. We need him to be that fourth or fifth guy in the secondary that can go out there and make plays that we can rely on. He's going to work on it and he's going to become that guy. He understands now. He's been able to go through a full season with us. he wants to be a great player, hopefully he can act on that.''

Like coach Mike Pettine, Whitner believes the Oklahoma State product has the talent to succeed.

"It's all about mindset in this league. he has all the physical ability in the world. take the job seriously? are you very detail-oriendted. just come with right mindset day in, day out, he'll be ok.''

Said Joe Haden, who just made his second straight Pro Bowl: "Everybody has their bumps in the road as a rookie. I know I did. It's just making sure you have to be very, very professional. It's a business at end of day and you have to realize that. It's not like college football, high school football. You've got to be able to be mature enough to start making all your meetings and just making everything you need to be to. He's starting to really learn that. He's starting to get better at it, it just takes a little time. I did the same thing. he's going to be all right.''
 

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It's just a rumor but that's what I heard. Here's an article that might support that opinion:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_gm_ray_farmer_4.html
Farmer(GM) loved Bridgewater while Haslam(Owner) loved Manziel.

Rumor was that Farmer wrote down Bridgewater and was ready to submit the pick but Haslam overruled him and chose Manziel.

None of us will ever know if it is true. But if I were the GM, I might have resigned that day if it were true. Because you're risking your reputation on a guy that you didn't get to pick.

Well I dug this up because I was thinking about what some friends back home were saying about the GM and owner wanting him.

It appears that the GM didn't over rule anyone, and that he made the call to make the move up to draft Manziel. He may regret that decision lol.

FYI this comes from Mary Kay Cabot who has covered the Browns forever and has more cred in her pinky than all of the guys in STL have in all of their entire bodies put together. If she, or Tony Grossi, moved to STL to cover the Rams you guys would see what real sports reporting is like.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/johnnys_manziels_hurry_up_and.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains said in a radio interview Thursday that a text from Johnny Manziel during the draft helped inspire owner Jimmy Haslam to trade up for him.

"We're sitting there and they keep showing Johnny on T.V. and Johnny and I are texting and he shoots me a text and he says, 'I wish you guys would come get me. Hurry up and draft me because I want to be there. I want to wreck this league together.'

"When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine),'' Loggains said Thursday on Sports Talk with Bo Mattingly on Arkansas ESPN. "I'm like 'this guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam said, 'pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'''

The Browns traded up from No. 26 to No. 22 and turned Johnny Football into Johnny Cleveland.

"It shows you what type of competitor the kid is and I got to spend so much time with him leading up to this process,'' said Loggains, a former Arkansas Razorback. "I feel like I know him very well. I had a good relationship with him. That's the type of kid this guy is. He wants to do well. He's got a chip on his shoulder and he decided to be a Brown.''

Loggains revealed that the coaching staff was involved throughout the draft, and that he was pulled into the war room whenever they came close to drafting a quarterback.

"It's not a cone of secrecy whatsoever,'' he said. "We were very involved, which is always good for a coaching staff when you get to choose your own quarterback.''

A source said Loggains never meant to make it sound like Haslam made the pick instead of general manager Ray Farmer. "Farmer definitely made the call,'' the source said. Instead, he wanted to convey how excited everyone in the organization was -- all the way to the top -- that Manziel was so eager to come here.

Haslam corroborated that during a speech on Monday.

"Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel," Haslam told the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club on Monday. "We took the top-rated quarterback on our board when he was available. That was solely Ray's call, not my call."

He added that although "Ray gets a lot of input, Ray's the one that decided to make the trade, Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel, Ray's the one that made those calls and that's his job. I want to make that very clear.''


Loggains also revealed the Browns tried to trade up to No. 11 with the Titans and No. 16 with the Cowboys.

"Mr. Haslam and coach Pettine had called me down to the draft room a couple of times throughout the night and we had almost made trades with Tennessee and Dallas and backed out,'' he said. "...We were sitting there and coach Pettine keeps texting me, and we're going back and forth and we're going 'hey does Dallas take him here, no they won't. Does St. Louis take him at 13?' We knew we had to get in front of the Chiefs (at No. 23) because we knew they would draft him.''

Finally, when the Browns got down to No. 22, they pulled off the trade with Philadelphia to select the former Heisman Trophy winner, sending a third-round pick to the Eagles.

"Coach texted me and said, 'we're making the trade, we're moving up' so at that point I knew I was summoned to the draft room to get on the phone and tell him he was going to be a Cleveland Brown,'' said Loggains.

Loggains knew as early as February that Haslam was enamored with the former Texas A&M product.

"When I decided to take this job in Cleveland, I knew that our owner liked Johnny a lot,'' said Loggains. "I think I worked out 14 quarterbacks, went to their schools, their high schools and worked them out, ate dinner with them, brought them to Cleveland. Once we finished all of our evaluations, it was Johnny's name at the top of the list and there was everyone else, so I knew we needed a quarterback and we were very high on Johnny.''

As the draft grew closer, Loggains had an even stronger feeling Johnny Football would be sitting across from him every day in his meeting room.

"I knew definitely that Johnny was someone that was very high on our board and someone that was in our discussions the weeks leading up to the draft,'' said Loggains. "I knew there was a good chance if he was there at some point we were going to take him or even move up to go get him.''

Then came the text heard 'round the war room.
 

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I agree 100%
The running QB thing is a joke. Bridgewater is looking very good.

I have seen very little of him this year, just a couple of highlights. But his college highlights were decent, especially his footwork which was impressive for a college guy.

He looks very slight though and that is very worrisome.
 

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Clearly.

One is a sword. :p

Nice use of your rapier-like wit...Hayes used the same word, but I think he meant raptor..He was discussing prehistoric beasts, mermaids and Pro Bowl picks with Rex Ryan...
 

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Found his replacement. He's just loosening up his arm.

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Jeez X, at least be fair about this.

You can't just use an example with such a clear size advantage! ;p
 

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Man, if those articles are accurate, it's no wonder Cleveland can't find a QB.
 

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Of course he does. He's a privileged rich kid who's never been told no. He was crying about a parking ticket he got at A&M (which I'm sure was well-deserved), saying he was being singled out. Dude is a bitch. His mom is hot, though.
He got a hot, gold digging mommy huh? Pictures?
 

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I have seen very little of him this year, just a couple of highlights. But his college highlights were decent, especially his footwork which was impressive for a college guy.

He looks very slight though and that is very worrisome.

View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000447115/Bridgewater-to-Wright-8-yard-TD-2-point-conversion


That play blew me away. Look how quickly the RT gets beat and yet Bridgewater stands in, takes the hit, and delivers a perfect throw to the end-zone. The play before that, he was pressured, bought time by climbing the pocket, kept his eyes locked on the middle of the field, and at the last second, without resetting, he flipped an accurate ball to his checkdown in the flat who was wide open and went for 40 yards with a nice run after the catch.

Hitting your checkdown seems so simple but it was the way he manipulated the defense and just knew his guy would be open if needed to check it down without tipping his hand. It was a veteran move.

I think that kid is going to be one hell of a QB. Durability will be a concern but he just gets it mentally and throws with requisite touch and accuracy.

Well I dug this up because I was thinking about what some friends back home were saying about the GM and owner wanting him.

It appears that the GM didn't over rule anyone, and that he made the call to make the move up to draft Manziel. He may regret that decision lol.

FYI this comes from Mary Kay Cabot who has covered the Browns forever and has more cred in her pinky than all of the guys in STL have in all of their entire bodies put together. If she, or Tony Grossi, moved to STL to cover the Rams you guys would see what real sports reporting is like.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/johnnys_manziels_hurry_up_and.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains said in a radio interview Thursday that a text from Johnny Manziel during the draft helped inspire owner Jimmy Haslam to trade up for him.

"We're sitting there and they keep showing Johnny on T.V. and Johnny and I are texting and he shoots me a text and he says, 'I wish you guys would come get me. Hurry up and draft me because I want to be there. I want to wreck this league together.'

"When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine),'' Loggains said Thursday on Sports Talk with Bo Mattingly on Arkansas ESPN. "I'm like 'this guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam said, 'pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'''

The Browns traded up from No. 26 to No. 22 and turned Johnny Football into Johnny Cleveland.

"It shows you what type of competitor the kid is and I got to spend so much time with him leading up to this process,'' said Loggains, a former Arkansas Razorback. "I feel like I know him very well. I had a good relationship with him. That's the type of kid this guy is. He wants to do well. He's got a chip on his shoulder and he decided to be a Brown.''

Loggains revealed that the coaching staff was involved throughout the draft, and that he was pulled into the war room whenever they came close to drafting a quarterback.

"It's not a cone of secrecy whatsoever,'' he said. "We were very involved, which is always good for a coaching staff when you get to choose your own quarterback.''

A source said Loggains never meant to make it sound like Haslam made the pick instead of general manager Ray Farmer. "Farmer definitely made the call,'' the source said. Instead, he wanted to convey how excited everyone in the organization was -- all the way to the top -- that Manziel was so eager to come here.

Haslam corroborated that during a speech on Monday.

"Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel," Haslam told the Pro Football Hall of Fame luncheon club on Monday. "We took the top-rated quarterback on our board when he was available. That was solely Ray's call, not my call."

He added that although "Ray gets a lot of input, Ray's the one that decided to make the trade, Ray's the one that picked Johnny Manziel, Ray's the one that made those calls and that's his job. I want to make that very clear.''


Loggains also revealed the Browns tried to trade up to No. 11 with the Titans and No. 16 with the Cowboys.

"Mr. Haslam and coach Pettine had called me down to the draft room a couple of times throughout the night and we had almost made trades with Tennessee and Dallas and backed out,'' he said. "...We were sitting there and coach Pettine keeps texting me, and we're going back and forth and we're going 'hey does Dallas take him here, no they won't. Does St. Louis take him at 13?' We knew we had to get in front of the Chiefs (at No. 23) because we knew they would draft him.''

Finally, when the Browns got down to No. 22, they pulled off the trade with Philadelphia to select the former Heisman Trophy winner, sending a third-round pick to the Eagles.

"Coach texted me and said, 'we're making the trade, we're moving up' so at that point I knew I was summoned to the draft room to get on the phone and tell him he was going to be a Cleveland Brown,'' said Loggains.

Loggains knew as early as February that Haslam was enamored with the former Texas A&M product.

"When I decided to take this job in Cleveland, I knew that our owner liked Johnny a lot,'' said Loggains. "I think I worked out 14 quarterbacks, went to their schools, their high schools and worked them out, ate dinner with them, brought them to Cleveland. Once we finished all of our evaluations, it was Johnny's name at the top of the list and there was everyone else, so I knew we needed a quarterback and we were very high on Johnny.''

As the draft grew closer, Loggains had an even stronger feeling Johnny Football would be sitting across from him every day in his meeting room.

"I knew definitely that Johnny was someone that was very high on our board and someone that was in our discussions the weeks leading up to the draft,'' said Loggains. "I knew there was a good chance if he was there at some point we were going to take him or even move up to go get him.''

Then came the text heard 'round the war room.

Hard to doubt that...which makes it even worse if the Owner did make the call. ;)
 

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I agree 100%
The running QB thing is a joke. Bridgewater is looking very good.
You'd think the gimmick would have died by now, but it's persistent for like 3 decades and few of them have had merit. Cunningham and McNabb are the first names to come to mind. Short list for something that's been persisting for as long as it has.
 

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Man, if those articles are accurate, it's no wonder Cleveland can't find a QB.
Especially if something as meaningless as a text message managed to sway them away from their original plans. That's the work of a bad team.
 

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View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000447115/Bridgewater-to-Wright-8-yard-TD-2-point-conversion


That play blew me away. Look how quickly the RT gets beat and yet Bridgewater stands in, takes the hit, and delivers a perfect throw to the end-zone. The play before that, he was pressured, bought time by climbing the pocket, kept his eyes locked on the middle of the field, and at the last second, without resetting, he flipped an accurate ball to his checkdown in the flat who was wide open and went for 40 yards with a nice run after the catch.

Hitting your checkdown seems so simple but it was the way he manipulated the defense and just knew his guy would be open if needed to check it down without tipping his hand. It was a veteran move.

I think that kid is going to be one hell of a QB. Durability will be a concern but he just gets it mentally and throws with requisite touch and accuracy.



Hard to doubt that...which makes it even worse if the Owner did make the call. ;)


It possible he (Haslem) is lying or covering his ass, but from what we know the GM didn't want Bridgewater, he wanted Manziel and had him tops on his list of QB's and moved up to get him.
 

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Manziel questions the fairness of the Browns looking elsewhere for a QB? I question the fairness of him keeping his rookie salary when he clearly didn't work hard preparing for the NFL.
 

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I have seen very little of him this year, just a couple of highlights. But his college highlights were decent, especially his footwork which was impressive for a college guy.

He looks very slight though and that is very worrisome.
Yeah, he has the shoulders of a child, but, he throws a very good ball. I have been very impressed with him from what I have seen....wonder how much good ol Norv has to do with it.
 

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Yeah, he has the shoulders of a child, but, he throws a very good ball. I have been very impressed with him from what I have seen....wonder how much good ol Norv has to do with it.
Have you watched him play since he got to the NFL? He's looked very in over his head and ill-equipped the tiny bit that he's played IMO.
 

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Have you watched him play since he got to the NFL? He's looked very in over his head and ill-equipped the tiny bit that he's played IMO.
Yeah watched him early and I agree he was in over his head. Watched pieces of other games and I think he is progressing very well. I think Teddy is going to be a good NFL QB.
 

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I hope whoever was pushing the Rams to draft this guy last year isn't active in their QB search this offseason. I was outspoken about the guy last year. He has arm talent and is crazy elusive to defenders. He had poor pocket presence, dropped his head a ton, and couldn't read a defense. The same issues are what makes me hesitant on Hundley. But Hundley doesn't seem like a douche and has better size and skills.