Jared Goff

[dieterbrock]

Seriously? What game was I just watching...think it was last night....the backups that played with....??? Who was that team.....oh yeah, the QB's for Houston....much worse...maybe you didn't see the game.

Did you see Hundley's last game? Versus the Minn. Vikings?? Bunch of dropped passes in that game...versus a TOP defense...he gets more points...higher rating...in an incredibly tough situation. He's 20th for a reason....so are the others...dig deeper into the numbers...don't just go off of, QB so and so is ranked HERE, this can't be true.

More points than who? They scored zero!
Only 2 trips in to Minnesota territory
Only drops I saw were dropped int...
yeah Yates is worse I’ll guve you that.
So there you have it, the only qb worse is the 4th stringer for Houston.

 

[Badfinger]

What a fukin joke...if anyone really thinks there are 17 quarterbacks who are having better seasons than Goff...I don't know man, my mind reels at the insanity. And that's sayin something, because I work at a locked psychiatric facility, so I see crazy all the time... :eek:

 

[RhodyRams]

QBR discussions, as amusing as they are at times, should be given the same treatment that religious and political discussions on this board

 

[OldSchool]

LOLOL So I was looking more at this trash stat. Here's something funny:

• PTS ADDED: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.

hahahaha The funniest part of this is Goff was given a -2.6 points. Dak Prescott got 28.7 points! Dak got 31.3 points more than Goff for play above an average QB!!!

Another genius factor:

• TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.

On this one Jared actually got 48.1 points wow. Of course that puts him 18th in the league once again behind Dak who got 74.7. Which is amazing because Goff has a higher completion % on 3rd down and completed more passes for a 1st down on 3rd down.

The more I read about this stat the more comical it becomes. Thank you Trent Dilfer, I didn't realize you could become more of a clown than you were before this nonsense.

 

[jacktheripper85]

LOLOL So I was looking more at this trash stat. Here's something funny:

• PTS ADDED: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.

hahahaha The funniest part of this is Goff was given a -2.6 points. Dak Prescott got 28.7 points! Dak got 31.3 points more than Goff for play above an average QB!!!

Another genius factor:

• TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.

On this one Jared actually got 48.1 points wow. Of course that puts him 18th in the league once again behind Dak who got 74.7. Which is amazing because Goff has a higher completion % on 3rd down and completed more passes for a 1st down on 3rd down.

The more I read about this stat the more comical it becomes. Thank you Trent Dilfer, I didn't realize you could become more of a clown than you were before this nonsense.[/QUOTE

After reading about How QBR is calculated I am now certain that Trent Dilfer was also the person who created the “participation trophy”. Only someone as crappy as Dilfer could create a stat that makes $hitty players look good.

 

[1maGoh]

LOLOL So I was looking more at this trash stat. Here's something funny:

• PTS ADDED: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.

hahahaha The funniest part of this is Goff was given a -2.6 points. Dak Prescott got 28.7 points! Dak got 31.3 points more than Goff for play above an average QB!!!

Another genius factor:

• TOTAL EPA: Total clutch-weighted expected points added.

On this one Jared actually got 48.1 points wow. Of course that puts him 18th in the league once again behind Dak who got 74.7. Which is amazing because Goff has a higher completion % on 3rd down and completed more passes for a 1st down on 3rd down.

The more I read about this stat the more comical it becomes. Thank you Trent Dilfer, I didn't realize you could become more of a clown than you were before this nonsense.

The term "weighted" in this context means that they can do whatever they want to prop up their darlings and dismiss people they don't like.

Example: the ridiculous trash somebody cited early about Goff's weighted starts compared to Prescott's.

 

[Soul Surfer]

It seems to me that some people work awfully hard to prop up teams other than the Rams, and players who are not Rams...on a Rams website...hmm...isn't there a term for that???

"A Contrarian".

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Problem is that despite the coach speak, that "wrong point" seems inaccurate when I compare such to the other games played. And if so, that bring into question the attempted point being made. That is, unless Goff is changing a nice percentage of the plays.

Yep. When it goes against your narrative it's Coach Speak. Convenient.

 

[Stl2La]

Seriously? What game was I just watching...think it was last night....the backups that played with....??? Who was that team.....oh yeah, the QB's for Houston....much worse...maybe you didn't see the game.

Did you see Hundley's last game? Versus the Minn. Vikings?? Bunch of dropped passes in that game...versus a TOP defense...he gets more points...higher rating...in an incredibly tough situation. He's 20th for a reason....so are the others...dig deeper into the numbers...don't just go off of, QB so and so is ranked HERE, this can't be true.

So you really think Mariota having a higher total QBR than Goff last game makes sense?

Mariota: 22-39, 275 yds, 0 td, 1 int

Goff: 22-38, 301 yds, 4 tds, 0 int

Total QBR:

Mariota 45.4
Goff 39.5

Lol not even you can make that make sense. The stat is total garbage :rolllaugh:

 

[kurtfaulk]

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has anyone noticed that in every game the announcers bring up the fact mcvay is talking to goff until there's 15 seconds to go?

haha, fuck me. this has become folklore now. seriously, is the nfl media this dumb?

they just can't let his play speak for itself. always have to come up with ways to discredit him.

you know, after the cheats were busted i never heard a single nfl media person say during a game or in any show, "now see how brady knew where to throw that pass, the patriots filmed the signals of every single team in the league and have some freak in the stands looking at them telling brady what's coming and where to throw the ball".

fucking arsewipes.

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[jrry32]

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has anyone noticed that in every game the announcers bring up the fact mcvay is talking to goff until there's 15 seconds to go?

haha, freak me. this has become folklore now. seriously, is the nfl media this dumb?

they just can't let his play speak for itself. always have to come up with ways to discredit him.

you know, after the cheats were busted i never heard a single nfl media person say during a game or in any show, "now see how brady knew where to throw that pass, the patriots filmed the signals of every single team in the league and have some freak in the stands looking at them telling brady what's coming and where to throw the ball".

freaking arsewipes.

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One thing that has become abundantly clear to me is that Goff has to do twice as much as any other young QB to get the same amount of credit. That narrative from last year of him being a bust has made people more naturally skeptical of everything the kid does. It's stupid to me. If Goff had sat all of last year and done what he has done this year, I guarantee people would be calling him the next big thing.

It's humorous to me how the media that bashed the kid mercilessly all of last year and throughout this past off-season have moved forward as if that never happened. And now, they look for any excuse to justify those opinions, but they can't be forthright about it because that would mean highlighting how stupid they look for ripping the kid before the season, so they look for anything they can to take credit away from him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Yep. When it goes against your narrative it's Coach Speak. Convenient.

Nah. Only when the stat lines go against what was alleged to be stated. Which, of course, goes against YOUR narrative.

 

[den-the-coach]

One thing that has become abundantly clear to me is that Goff has to do twice as much as any other young QB to get the same amount of credit.

That is becoming less and less evident as the season wore on and the pundits are bashing Jeff Fisher more than themselves as Case Keenum plus Nick Foles has help their cause. IMO, Goff still has to work on being careful holding the ball under duress, but not only has he proven to be an asset, he's quite a leader too and believe or not I felt that would never be an issue with him. I knew Goff would work very hard at his craft, I'm just pleased that Kevin Demoff & ESK paired him with McVay, they will be a great combination for many years to come.

However, moving forward I believe Wentz will be classified as a baller and Goff as more of a game manager, but as the Goff goes on to win more Super Bowls, who cares?

 

[OldSchool]

That is becoming less and less evident as the season wore on and the pundits are bashing Jeff Fisher more than themselves as Case Keenum plus Nick Foles has help their cause. IMO, Goff still has to work on being careful holding the ball under duress, but not only has he proven to be an asset, he's quite a leader too and believe or not I felt that would never be an issue with him. I knew Goff would work very hard at his craft, I'm just pleased that Kevin Demoff & ESK paired him with McVay, they will be a great combination for many years to come.

However, moving forward I believe Wentz will be classified as a baller and Goff as more of a game manager, but as the Goff goes on to win more Super Bowls, who cares?

The hold on to the ball criticism always cracks me up. He’s fumbled as many times as Brady and Ben and less than Wentz by a lot. But we never hear criticism of those other guys. Fact is QBs all Lise the ball on sacks it happens to the best of them and won’t ever stop.

 

[Tano]

So you really think Mariota having a higher total QBR than Goff last game makes sense?

Mariota: 22-39, 275 yds, 0 td, 1 int

Goff: 22-38, 301 yds, 4 tds, 0 int

Total QBR:

Mariota 45.4
Goff 39.5

Lol not even you can make that make sense. The stat is total garbage :rolllaugh:

I think LAChamp makes these statements just to get a rise out of us

 

[1maGoh]

So you really think Mariota having a higher total QBR than Goff last game makes sense?

Mariota: 22-39, 275 yds, 0 td, 1 int

Goff: 22-38, 301 yds, 4 tds, 0 int

Total QBR:

Mariota 45.4
Goff 39.5

Lol not even you can make that make sense. The stat is total garbage :rolllaugh:

I hate to do this (because champ is usually so indefensibly wrong), but QBR is an efficiency metric not a talent or performance metric. Goff got sacked more, lost 2 fumbles, and didn't rush to make something out of nothing. From an efficiency standpoint in regards to the whole game they played, Mariota suffered slightly less "oh crap" plays despite having far fewer "wow" plays.

I think the idea of QBR has merit, but the implementation is terrible. Giving weight to someone about based on the caliber of the defense is a recipe for favoritism. And elevating efficiency above production also a disaster. But it could be done right. If somebody had the intent and the platform to do it correctly.

 

[nighttrain]

back in the day of Roman Gabriel then NFL had a stat that seemed to work, but this bspn bs stinks
train

 

[den-the-coach]

But we never hear criticism of those other guys. Fact is QBs all Lise the ball on sacks it happens to the best of them and won’t ever stop.

IDK, the last three times he's been hit not expecting it, he's fumbled, thankfully two of those times Havenstein & Whitworth recovered the fumble and the other fumble led to a Titan touchdown. He did have that issue at Cal again, just something else to work on, but if you're not expecting to get hit, what can you do? I'm sure the small hands conversation will go away now because Jimmy Garoppolo has the same hand size as Goff.

 

[Prime Time]

What a fukin joke...if anyone really thinks there are 17 quarterbacks who are having better seasons than Goff...I don't know man, my mind reels at the insanity. And that's sayin something, because I work at a locked psychiatric facility, so I see crazy all the time... :eek:

Behold the latest from PFF:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-grade-after-week-16

NFL QB Rankings by PFF grade after Week 16
BY PFF ANALYSIS TEAM

PFF Analysts Steve Palazzolo and Zac Robinson give you an overview of every team’s quarterback, and where they rank in terms of overall PFF grade as well as detailed notes on a select few who stood out for good, or bad, reasons in Week 16. These rankings are based on their overall grades after Week 16.

17. JARED GOFF, LOS ANGELES RAMS – 79.8 OVERALL GRADE

Goff had another solid game, though the stats look extra pretty due to an 80-yard screen pass for a touchdown by RB Todd Gurley as well as an easy flat route for a score to Gurley on a busted coverage.

On the day, Goff finished 6-for-10 for 97 yards on 10-plus yard throws, including perhaps his best throw of the day, a well-placed corner route to WR Cooper Kupp for a 14-yard score.

The one complaint about Goff in this one was his work maneuvering the pocket as held the ball too long on a bad fumble and he finished just 2-for-12 for 25 yards when pressured.

 

[LACHAMP46]

So you really think Mariota having a higher total QBR than Goff last game makes sense?

Mariota: 22-39, 275 yds, 0 td, 1 int

Goff: 22-38, 301 yds, 4 tds, 0 int

Total QBR:

Mariota 45.4
Goff 39.5

Lol not even you can make that make sense. The stat is total garbage

That's interesting....besides the pass that Littleton caught, I though Mariotta had a solid game....avoided pressure....and moved the chains.
Goff's game was solid....but the Gurley TD's....one was wide open (scheme), one was all Gurley on a 5 yard screen that he ran for 80 yards....hell, I think Gurley caught the ball at the 15 yard line...so he threw a 3 yard or less pass, but was credited for 80. The pass to Watkins was another easy one....His best TD pass was the beautiful throw to Kupp...I'll add that the strip fumble probably is rated worse than the interception...since it resulted in a TD that changed the momentum of the game.......

I'm not sure why they graded the way they did.....I'm not saying QBR is perfect...or I understand the why's or how's...I do like the premise of " QB that faces a tougher Defense...in a tougher situation (road, 3rd down) is given MORE credit...

Several commenters on this site....and another site were saying how much our offense struggled....didn't look good...it seems to reflect this...

Many purist in baseball hated all the new stats...but now, WAR is an acceptable number....OPS is too....I'm sure, in time QBR will be used...in conjuncture, with other numbers/data out there...to grade individual performances of quarterbacks.

Marriota played ok(under great pressure from a solid defense)....so did Jared(against a considerably weaker defense I'll add)....his one great throw was the pass to Kupp....Personally, I thought our 4th quarter defense stiffened and closed the game. Not some outstanding QB play.....Gurley played great....

50 is average according to QBR.....I figured both to play about 45....some throws were missed....as witnessed by their equally low completion percentages.