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Jared Goff it is time take the Offense on your back!
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Although he had a few hiccups , he looked like last year's Goff with a great drive and perfect throws to put it away . I even saw a little emotion after the TD . I'm sure he's had enough of the negative press . Hopefully it will build some confidence going forward.
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You think Goff’s been playing good?
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he hasn't been at his best but he's far from bad. even today after some maddening throws in the first half he comes out in the second half and nails some deep throws. they were all perfect. bad qbs can't make those throws.
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You think the team has been?
Please. Goff has been ok. The scheme, protection and virtually every aspect of the offense has struggled and you want recognition for saying "Goff is not good" ?
You should go to a trophy store and get a big one with your quote on it and it can say "I Participated!"
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The last drive today was big time. Especially having to overcome the self inflicted BS and make a bunch of great throws. But lets face it, prior to that drive he was pretty bad all game. Today the o line played their ass off, gave up zero sacks and not much pressure, we ran the ball very well and Goff still went 11-18, 178 yrds, 1int. Missing cooks and woods yes, but he had protection and is still throwing to guys like Cooper Kupp, Reynolds, Everett, and Gurley.
11TDs - 10InT - 9 fumbles in 10 games this year. 29th ranked in completion %. And you dont want to go to the last 8 games of 2018 because its worse. Sorry man that is not far from bad at all.
Dont confuse arm talent with playing QB Kurt. No one has ever questioned Goff's arm. However reading defenses on his own, making plays facing pressure, going through progressions? Different story. The Int today was a horrible read and a horrible decision. He never saw the LB that made the pick.
11TDs - 10InT - 9 fumbles in 10 games this year. 29th ranked in completion %. And you dont want to go to the last 8 games of 2018 because its worse. Sorry man that is not far from bad at all.
Dont confuse arm talent with playing QB Kurt. No one has ever questioned Goff's arm. However reading defenses on his own, making plays facing pressure, going through progressions? Different story. The Int today was a horrible read and a horrible decision. He never saw the LB that made the pick.
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How about the 2 perfect deep balls Jared threw to Kupp and Reynolds. I know one didn't count but both passes were perfect. Hit both guys in stride perfect placement for over the shoulder catches.
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View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2863190-rams-are-in-the-playoff-hunt-but-jared-goff-is-holding-them-back-from-greatness
Rams Are in the Playoff Hunt, but Jared Goff Is Holding Them Back from Greatness
Brad Gagnon
At 6-4 following a 17-7 Sunday Night Football victory over the Chicago Bears, the Los Angeles Rams somehow remain in the NFC playoff picture. But unlike in 2018, the Rams don't look, feel, smell, sound or taste like a true contender.
And that's because they have a regressing liability at the sport's most important position.
Jared Goff, who entered Sunday as the NFL's sixth-lowest-rated passer, completed just 11 passes against the Bears. Under his tutelage, the Rams offense managed just 13 first downs, three third-down conversions and 17 points in a dud game that was closer than it looked.
Woeful Chicago failed to make the Rams pay for two first-quarter turnovers, the Bears failed to score on four of their five drives that crossed the Los Angeles 40-yard line, and the Rams couldn't pull away from a struggling opponent until scoring an insurance touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
While a win's a win, this served as a reminder that it isn't the Rams' year. Not with Goff, who has completed just 57 percent of his passes in his last six games.
Goff was a Pro Bowler last season, and the Rams averaged an NFC-high 32.9 points per game. But a strong defense led by reigning Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald, a stellar offensive line led by several highly accomplished veterans and a top-notch running game led by 2018 touchdown leader Todd Gurley masked a lot of the 2016 top pick's flaws.
Now, with that line in shambles as a result of departures and injuries and Gurley no longer as productive coming off a knee injury, Goff's glaring limitations have been exposed. He hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since Week 8, and he's lucky to have just three interceptions the last two weeks.
The Rams scored a total of 29 points in those two games. That's a mark they reached in 13 of their 16 games in 2018. Their strong offensive performances this year have generally come against weak and/or vulnerable opponents. And while that was also the case to an extent last season—they scored just six points in Chicago, 23 in Denver and 23 at home against Philadelphia in 2018—the trend has become more extreme in 2019.
In three games this season against opponents who rank in the top five in the league at Football Outsiders in defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA), Goff has zero touchdown passes, a completion percentage of 55.4 and a passer rating of 58.0. The Rams have averaged just 12 points in those three affairs.
That doesn't bode well for his or his team's chances next week against the red-hot Baltimore Ravens and their surging, opportunistic defense, and they also have to travel to San Francisco in December.
With a minuscule margin for error in a loaded NFC playoff race, those dynamics could leave the reigning conference champions on the sideline come January.
Jayne Kamin-Oncea/Getty Images
If Goff and Co. hadn't bullied weak opponents like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Atlanta Falcons and Cincinnati Bengals in September and October, the numbers would be a lot uglier. But even still, Goff's broad backslide dating back to December is eye-opening.
He entered that month last season with a 26-to-6 touchdown-to-interception ratio, a completion percentage of 67.7 and a passer rating of 113.5. In 15 starts since then, he's thrown 17 touchdown passes to 16 interceptions, completed 59.9 percent of his throws, and his passer rating is 79.7.
Over the course of what essentially amounts to a full season, he's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. He's a wildly inconsistent and unreliable deep passer who is comically inaccurate under pressure, and he had the league's worst qualified bad throw rate through 10 weeks.
Even with Gurley putting together easily his best game of the season, it was more of the same from Goff on Sunday night. He did connect on a couple of deep passes, but he was ineffective under limited pressure, locked on to his first reads far too often, missed several no-excuse throws, and he should have been picked off at least twice.
It's a good thing the Rams defense has gotten its act together after a rough start to the year. Donald is on a tear (seven sacks in his last five games), and that unit has surrendered just 11.0 points per game since Week 7.
But it now feels inevitable that Goff will spoil it all for that defense, even if that didn't happen on this particular night. And that's a shame, as is the fact that the Rams are all-in on Goff. The window is closing on a team in win-now mode that will lack both salary-cap space and draft capital in the early part of the impending new decade.
They're married to Goff and his new $134 million contract, but every sense indicates that extension was a mistake. The Rams remain a contender despite their franchise quarterback, and that's not a recipe for success in this day and age.
Rams Are in the Playoff Hunt, but Jared Goff Is Holding Them Back from Greatness
Brad Gagnon
At 6-4 following a 17-7 Sunday Night Football victory over the Chicago Bears, the Los Angeles Rams somehow remain in the NFC playoff picture. But unlike in 2018, the Rams don't look, feel, smell, sound or taste like a true contender.
And that's because they have a regressing liability at the sport's most important position.
Jared Goff, who entered Sunday as the NFL's sixth-lowest-rated passer, completed just 11 passes against the Bears. Under his tutelage, the Rams offense managed just 13 first downs, three third-down conversions and 17 points in a dud game that was closer than it looked.
Woeful Chicago failed to make the Rams pay for two first-quarter turnovers, the Bears failed to score on four of their five drives that crossed the Los Angeles 40-yard line, and the Rams couldn't pull away from a struggling opponent until scoring an insurance touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
While a win's a win, this served as a reminder that it isn't the Rams' year. Not with Goff, who has completed just 57 percent of his passes in his last six games.
Goff was a Pro Bowler last season, and the Rams averaged an NFC-high 32.9 points per game. But a strong defense led by reigning Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald, a stellar offensive line led by several highly accomplished veterans and a top-notch running game led by 2018 touchdown leader Todd Gurley masked a lot of the 2016 top pick's flaws.
Now, with that line in shambles as a result of departures and injuries and Gurley no longer as productive coming off a knee injury, Goff's glaring limitations have been exposed. He hasn't thrown a touchdown pass since Week 8, and he's lucky to have just three interceptions the last two weeks.
The Rams scored a total of 29 points in those two games. That's a mark they reached in 13 of their 16 games in 2018. Their strong offensive performances this year have generally come against weak and/or vulnerable opponents. And while that was also the case to an extent last season—they scored just six points in Chicago, 23 in Denver and 23 at home against Philadelphia in 2018—the trend has become more extreme in 2019.
In three games this season against opponents who rank in the top five in the league at Football Outsiders in defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA), Goff has zero touchdown passes, a completion percentage of 55.4 and a passer rating of 58.0. The Rams have averaged just 12 points in those three affairs.
That doesn't bode well for his or his team's chances next week against the red-hot Baltimore Ravens and their surging, opportunistic defense, and they also have to travel to San Francisco in December.
With a minuscule margin for error in a loaded NFC playoff race, those dynamics could leave the reigning conference champions on the sideline come January.
Jayne Kamin-Oncea/Getty Images
If Goff and Co. hadn't bullied weak opponents like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Atlanta Falcons and Cincinnati Bengals in September and October, the numbers would be a lot uglier. But even still, Goff's broad backslide dating back to December is eye-opening.
He entered that month last season with a 26-to-6 touchdown-to-interception ratio, a completion percentage of 67.7 and a passer rating of 113.5. In 15 starts since then, he's thrown 17 touchdown passes to 16 interceptions, completed 59.9 percent of his throws, and his passer rating is 79.7.
Over the course of what essentially amounts to a full season, he's been one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL. He's a wildly inconsistent and unreliable deep passer who is comically inaccurate under pressure, and he had the league's worst qualified bad throw rate through 10 weeks.
Even with Gurley putting together easily his best game of the season, it was more of the same from Goff on Sunday night. He did connect on a couple of deep passes, but he was ineffective under limited pressure, locked on to his first reads far too often, missed several no-excuse throws, and he should have been picked off at least twice.
It's a good thing the Rams defense has gotten its act together after a rough start to the year. Donald is on a tear (seven sacks in his last five games), and that unit has surrendered just 11.0 points per game since Week 7.
But it now feels inevitable that Goff will spoil it all for that defense, even if that didn't happen on this particular night. And that's a shame, as is the fact that the Rams are all-in on Goff. The window is closing on a team in win-now mode that will lack both salary-cap space and draft capital in the early part of the impending new decade.
They're married to Goff and his new $134 million contract, but every sense indicates that extension was a mistake. The Rams remain a contender despite their franchise quarterback, and that's not a recipe for success in this day and age.
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Goff was perfect on his deep throws - and he was money on that last drive.
Overall the rest of the game he was poor, even with good protection.
However no Cooks and no Woods - against a good defense.
The passing game was going to be more difficult for sure.
Overall the rest of the game he was poor, even with good protection.
However no Cooks and no Woods - against a good defense.
The passing game was going to be more difficult for sure.
Honesty, he looked nervous early on behind the patchwork line. His confidence in them seemed to grow exponentially by game end.
Evans looked like the real deal man!
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Here's what I think about Goff:
I think Goff has to start "ignoring" McVay and just take control of the offense. I get the impression that McVay wants one thing, Goff wants to go along with it as a good soldier... but then the play call doesn't mesh with what the defense is showing. So then Goff sits back there having to think about how to get out of the mess, and looks like a clueless backup.
I think Goff should just do what he wants. Not all of the time, of course. But I just get the impression that Goff defers to McVay ALL OF THE TIME, and it's not really working for him.
...just my impression.
I think Goff has to start "ignoring" McVay and just take control of the offense. I get the impression that McVay wants one thing, Goff wants to go along with it as a good soldier... but then the play call doesn't mesh with what the defense is showing. So then Goff sits back there having to think about how to get out of the mess, and looks like a clueless backup.
I think Goff should just do what he wants. Not all of the time, of course. But I just get the impression that Goff defers to McVay ALL OF THE TIME, and it's not really working for him.
...just my impression.
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statements like this are dumb:
“We all know the issues with the Line, but you are being paid elite money start acting like it.”
What about those on the players being paid the league minimum ? Should those players “start acting like it” too? Would they have to put in minimum performances to appease you?
What was Goff “acting like” when he helped lead the team to the NFC Championship last year? Was that money well spent accountant/fan ?
I wish one of the “accountafans” would create a graph breaking down things for normal football fans - like a sliding scale - where contracts and performances on the field could be measured. I mean then normal fans like me would be able to use it and discuss whether or not a player is “acting” elite or not
I mean holy shit. Stop this fucking nonsense
“We all know the issues with the Line, but you are being paid elite money start acting like it.”
What about those on the players being paid the league minimum ? Should those players “start acting like it” too? Would they have to put in minimum performances to appease you?
What was Goff “acting like” when he helped lead the team to the NFC Championship last year? Was that money well spent accountant/fan ?
I wish one of the “accountafans” would create a graph breaking down things for normal football fans - like a sliding scale - where contracts and performances on the field could be measured. I mean then normal fans like me would be able to use it and discuss whether or not a player is “acting” elite or not
I mean holy shit. Stop this fucking nonsense
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and he's brought out the stat line.
we're not on tv here, we're allowed to go past the stats. the qb doesn't work in a vacuum.
and yes, goff is so far from a bad qb it's ridiculous to even ask the question let alone state it as fact.
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Well his stats look bad... but past the stats he has looked bad also.
But the last two years he has played at a level good enough to win a division and get into the super bowl.
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just because he has looked bad in stretches it doesn't mean he is bad. there's a difference. all qbs look bad at some stage of the season or during games. it doesn't make them a bad qb.
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