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I hate that we picked Pead ahead of Wagner in the draft that year and we needed a MLBer, at the time. This haunts me every time we play them.
End of the road in Seattle?
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I hate that we picked Pead ahead of Wagner in the draft that year and we needed a MLBer, at the time. This haunts me every time we play them.
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That GM is severely over rated. Seven picks in the last for years in the top 4 rounds on OLine and they still have the worst one in the NFL.
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He's lived off huge drafts from 2010-2012 for a while now, but there aren't many GMs who can say they drafted four pro bowlers in one year, or that they found a QB in round 3, or even that they've won a Super Bowl. Say what you will of his inability to get that OL fixed, the dude knows what he's doing.
I hate the Shehawks but not going to discount that they have some quality at the top at GM and head coach. In terms of approximate value his ability to add to that roster has been among the best performances in the league among his peers. If you fired him, he'd be out of work probably five minutes if that.
IMO the Shehawks' window is closing. But I don't feel comfortable just yet in underestimating them. That's all.
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Never said he hasn't done good things in the past. But look at his drafts since that 4 all pro draft. Who do you have that's any good beyond Wilson?
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I think Pete Carroll will retire. He really doesn’t have anything left to coach towards and he’s 66 years old. Does he really want to put forth the effort to rebuild this team? Because that defense might look completely different next year. Russell Wilson is all they have.
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Its rebuild time!
Pete needs to go, he just isn't a vocal leader and I can imagine that locker room over powering it's coach .
I wouldn't mind Sherman coming to LA, his home town and all. Thomas already mentioned leaving lol
49ers VS Rams is the next 5 years of nfc west football
Pete needs to go, he just isn't a vocal leader and I can imagine that locker room over powering it's coach .
I wouldn't mind Sherman coming to LA, his home town and all. Thomas already mentioned leaving lol
49ers VS Rams is the next 5 years of nfc west football
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/...hawks-pete-carroll-season-end-missed-playoffs
The NFC West’s Guard Has Changed, and the Seahawks Couldn’t Keep Up
Seattle is missing the playoffs for the first time since 2011, and the team is due for some upheaval this offseason
By Danny Kelly
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The Seahawks’ season came to a fitting and underwhelming end on Sunday afternoon, as a 48-yard potential game-winning field goal attempt by kicker Blair Walsh sailed wide right. The trajectory of that kick ultimately didn’t matter — the Falcons’ 22–10 win over the Panthers a few minutes earlier had eliminated Seattle from playoff contention for the first time since 2011 and for just the second time in the Pete Carroll era — but it represented a changing of the guard in the NFC West.
Of course, the divisional champion Rams had already made that transition pretty clear two weeks ago with their 42–7 blowout win over the Seahawks, but a Seattle squad that had developed a reputation over the past five years for balanced, physical, smashmouth football on both sides of the ball was again almost unrecognizable as it lost, at home, to a Cardinals team quarterbacked by Drew Stanton.
While L.A. heads to the postseason as the league’s most improved team, and as the 49ers bask in what looks like the second coming of Joe Montana in franchise savoir Jimmy Garoppolo, Seattle turns its focus to what could be a tumultuous offseason packed with uncertainty — from the future of the Legion of Boom, to the status of the team’s impending free agents, to even head coach Pete Carroll’s tenure with the team.
It’s been a tough season for Seattle from start to finish. Injuries to players like left tackle George Fant (knee), top pick Malik McDowell (head), running back Chris Carson (leg), pass rusher Cliff Avril (neck), cornerback Richard Sherman (Achilles), and safety Kam Chancellor (neck) piled up, testing the team’s depth. But those losses weren’t the only reason Seattle failed to get back to the postseason.
Its offense lacked an identity, and its previously commanding run game was among the league’s worst. Quarterback Russell Wilson ended the year as the team’s leading rusher by a country mile, with his 586 yards on the ground more than doubling that of any of the team’s running backs.
Free agent acquisition Eddie Lacy was a bust (2.6 yards per carry, with 179 total rushing yards and zero touchdowns on the season), Thomas Rawls struggled all year (2.7 yards per carry), C.J. Prosise couldn’t stay healthy, and for some reason, the team didn’t turn to practice squadder Mike Davis — who ended up looking better than any of the aforementioned runners — until Week 11. Plus, the offensive line couldn’t block anyone, and came into Week 17 30th in adjusted line yards
That left Wilson trying to do it all for a squad that had, in previous years, relied on balance. Wilson set a new career high for pass attempts (553) and led the NFL with 34 touchdown passes thanks in part to his Houdini-like ability to escape pressure and make plays. But with no run game to fear, opposing teams pinned their ears back and took advantage of Seattle’s porous offensive line.
Wilson came into Week 17 facing pressure on a league-high 41.3 percent of the team’s pass plays, and as a result, Seattle’s offense was all too often out of rhythm. That group came into the finale with the fifth-highest rate of drives that ended in a three-and-out, and all too often — like we saw on Sunday — the offense struggled in the first halves of games and was forced to try to dig its way out of big holes.
The once-dominant defense took a big step back, too. The injuries to Sherman, Avril, and Chancellor were a big part of that, but even with Bobby Wagner, Michael Bennett, Earl Thomas, and Sheldon Richardson on the field, they just didn’t play the same brand of football we’ve come to expect.
Seattle’s previously hard-hitting, free-flowing, and absurdly fast squad often looked older and slower than their opponents, and that was never more apparent than in that eye-opening loss to the Rams in Week 15 — like when Todd Gurley became only the second player since 1994 to score a touchdown on a third-and-20 run play, exploding past Seattle’s defenders to deliver the figurative knockout blow in that game, and, perhaps, to an era of Seahawks defense.
Add in a potpourri of other issues and it all adds up to what can only be considered a disappointing season for one of the preseason Super Bowl contenders. Here are a few of the other problems the team faced this year:
The defense could be in for a makeover. Avril and Chancellor have both reportedly contemplated retirement. Sherman might not be back after tearing his Achilles in Week 10. Thomas ran into the Cowboys locker room begging Jason Garrett to “come get [him]” after Seattle beat Dallas last week, so his future as the team’s defensive linchpin is no longer certain, either. Richardson, on whom the team spent a second-round draft pick and more to acquire in September, is a free agent, and Bennett surmised after Sunday’s loss, “I probably won’t be back next year.”
We can expect some transformations on offense, too. The team will have a major decision to make with free-agent touchdown maker Jimmy Graham, who led the team (and all tight ends) with 10 scores this year, but was mostly ineffective everywhere but in the red zone. The team’s second-leading receiver, Paul Richardson, will become a free agent this offseason as well.
Seattle’s midseason trade for left tackle Duane Brown provided a boost to the team’s beleaguered offensive line, but Carroll and general manager John Schneider still must find answers at left guard (Luke Joeckel is a free agent) and right tackle (Ifedi looks like a bust) in order to protect Wilson long term.
There may be major upheaval on the coaching staff as well. If Carroll doesn’t retire, he and Schneider must decide whether the team’s wholly inept run game will require a move away from run-game czar Tom Cable. Offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell may not be safe, either, and special teams coach Brian Schneider could find himself in the hot seat after his unit’s unsatisfactory performance this season.
There’s an awful lot of talk about a total rebuild in Seattle, and, well, that’s silly. The Seahawks still boast a top-tier quarterback, and even if the original LOB’s days are over, there’s still plenty of talent on the defense. But it’s clear that this is a franchise that needs to reload, nail its upcoming draft, get younger and faster on defense, and rediscover the winning identity that pushed them into the NFC’s elite over the previous five seasons.
The NFC West’s Guard Has Changed, and the Seahawks Couldn’t Keep Up
Seattle is missing the playoffs for the first time since 2011, and the team is due for some upheaval this offseason
By Danny Kelly
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The Seahawks’ season came to a fitting and underwhelming end on Sunday afternoon, as a 48-yard potential game-winning field goal attempt by kicker Blair Walsh sailed wide right. The trajectory of that kick ultimately didn’t matter — the Falcons’ 22–10 win over the Panthers a few minutes earlier had eliminated Seattle from playoff contention for the first time since 2011 and for just the second time in the Pete Carroll era — but it represented a changing of the guard in the NFC West.
Of course, the divisional champion Rams had already made that transition pretty clear two weeks ago with their 42–7 blowout win over the Seahawks, but a Seattle squad that had developed a reputation over the past five years for balanced, physical, smashmouth football on both sides of the ball was again almost unrecognizable as it lost, at home, to a Cardinals team quarterbacked by Drew Stanton.
While L.A. heads to the postseason as the league’s most improved team, and as the 49ers bask in what looks like the second coming of Joe Montana in franchise savoir Jimmy Garoppolo, Seattle turns its focus to what could be a tumultuous offseason packed with uncertainty — from the future of the Legion of Boom, to the status of the team’s impending free agents, to even head coach Pete Carroll’s tenure with the team.
It’s been a tough season for Seattle from start to finish. Injuries to players like left tackle George Fant (knee), top pick Malik McDowell (head), running back Chris Carson (leg), pass rusher Cliff Avril (neck), cornerback Richard Sherman (Achilles), and safety Kam Chancellor (neck) piled up, testing the team’s depth. But those losses weren’t the only reason Seattle failed to get back to the postseason.
Its offense lacked an identity, and its previously commanding run game was among the league’s worst. Quarterback Russell Wilson ended the year as the team’s leading rusher by a country mile, with his 586 yards on the ground more than doubling that of any of the team’s running backs.
Free agent acquisition Eddie Lacy was a bust (2.6 yards per carry, with 179 total rushing yards and zero touchdowns on the season), Thomas Rawls struggled all year (2.7 yards per carry), C.J. Prosise couldn’t stay healthy, and for some reason, the team didn’t turn to practice squadder Mike Davis — who ended up looking better than any of the aforementioned runners — until Week 11. Plus, the offensive line couldn’t block anyone, and came into Week 17 30th in adjusted line yards
That left Wilson trying to do it all for a squad that had, in previous years, relied on balance. Wilson set a new career high for pass attempts (553) and led the NFL with 34 touchdown passes thanks in part to his Houdini-like ability to escape pressure and make plays. But with no run game to fear, opposing teams pinned their ears back and took advantage of Seattle’s porous offensive line.
Wilson came into Week 17 facing pressure on a league-high 41.3 percent of the team’s pass plays, and as a result, Seattle’s offense was all too often out of rhythm. That group came into the finale with the fifth-highest rate of drives that ended in a three-and-out, and all too often — like we saw on Sunday — the offense struggled in the first halves of games and was forced to try to dig its way out of big holes.
The once-dominant defense took a big step back, too. The injuries to Sherman, Avril, and Chancellor were a big part of that, but even with Bobby Wagner, Michael Bennett, Earl Thomas, and Sheldon Richardson on the field, they just didn’t play the same brand of football we’ve come to expect.
Seattle’s previously hard-hitting, free-flowing, and absurdly fast squad often looked older and slower than their opponents, and that was never more apparent than in that eye-opening loss to the Rams in Week 15 — like when Todd Gurley became only the second player since 1994 to score a touchdown on a third-and-20 run play, exploding past Seattle’s defenders to deliver the figurative knockout blow in that game, and, perhaps, to an era of Seahawks defense.
Add in a potpourri of other issues and it all adds up to what can only be considered a disappointing season for one of the preseason Super Bowl contenders. Here are a few of the other problems the team faced this year:
- Carroll’s squad finished the season as the most penalized team in the league, and right tackle Germain Ifedi led all players in accepted penalties.
- Seattle’s special teams played unevenly all year. Tyler Lockett got a return touchdown on Sunday, but that play was all but nullified by Jon Ryan’s shanked punts and the missed kick by Walsh at the end. Walsh (21-of-29 on the year) will almost certainly not return next year, and Ryan’s tenure with the team may also be coming to an end.
- Crucially, the Seahawks’ hallowed home-field advantage, once one of the best in the league, all but disappeared, as Seattle went 4–4 at home.
The defense could be in for a makeover. Avril and Chancellor have both reportedly contemplated retirement. Sherman might not be back after tearing his Achilles in Week 10. Thomas ran into the Cowboys locker room begging Jason Garrett to “come get [him]” after Seattle beat Dallas last week, so his future as the team’s defensive linchpin is no longer certain, either. Richardson, on whom the team spent a second-round draft pick and more to acquire in September, is a free agent, and Bennett surmised after Sunday’s loss, “I probably won’t be back next year.”
We can expect some transformations on offense, too. The team will have a major decision to make with free-agent touchdown maker Jimmy Graham, who led the team (and all tight ends) with 10 scores this year, but was mostly ineffective everywhere but in the red zone. The team’s second-leading receiver, Paul Richardson, will become a free agent this offseason as well.
Seattle’s midseason trade for left tackle Duane Brown provided a boost to the team’s beleaguered offensive line, but Carroll and general manager John Schneider still must find answers at left guard (Luke Joeckel is a free agent) and right tackle (Ifedi looks like a bust) in order to protect Wilson long term.
There may be major upheaval on the coaching staff as well. If Carroll doesn’t retire, he and Schneider must decide whether the team’s wholly inept run game will require a move away from run-game czar Tom Cable. Offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell may not be safe, either, and special teams coach Brian Schneider could find himself in the hot seat after his unit’s unsatisfactory performance this season.
There’s an awful lot of talk about a total rebuild in Seattle, and, well, that’s silly. The Seahawks still boast a top-tier quarterback, and even if the original LOB’s days are over, there’s still plenty of talent on the defense. But it’s clear that this is a franchise that needs to reload, nail its upcoming draft, get younger and faster on defense, and rediscover the winning identity that pushed them into the NFC’s elite over the previous five seasons.
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Seattle failed to make the playoff for the first time since 2011. Seattle's UFA's in March 2018 will contain 10 starters & 6 main top reserves. They do have approx $19 million available in cap space in 2018 with over 4 million in dead $$. In this upcoming draft they will have the #18 first rd'er, but have no 2nd, 3rd & 6th rd selections.
Starters:
WR-Paul Richardson- will demand close to 7 to 8 mil a yr.
TE's Jimmy Graham- earned approx 10 mil.
LG- Luke Joeckel- earned approx 8 mil.
RG- Oday Aboushi
K- Blair Walsh
DT- Sheldon Richardson former top 13 #1 2013 draft pick will demand over 7 mil.
LB- Michael Wilhoite
SS-Bradley McDougald
CB Byron Maxwell
NK-DeShawn Shead
Reserves
TE-Luke Wilson
Swing OT- Matt Tobin
RB- Eddie Lacy earned approx. 4.3 mil.
LB- Terence Garvin
LB- Marcus Smith
QB-Austin Davis
As I addressed in my earlier post the biggest disappointment is @ OL. The other factor was the massive amount of injuries on defense that couldn't be overcome in the end. I would expect some major changes to occur in this team in the next 6 months. Rams have some major work to do in the off season but its nothing when compared to what this old worn down birds who have lost most all their tail feathers will have to undertake.
Starters:
WR-Paul Richardson- will demand close to 7 to 8 mil a yr.
TE's Jimmy Graham- earned approx 10 mil.
LG- Luke Joeckel- earned approx 8 mil.
RG- Oday Aboushi
K- Blair Walsh
DT- Sheldon Richardson former top 13 #1 2013 draft pick will demand over 7 mil.
LB- Michael Wilhoite
SS-Bradley McDougald
CB Byron Maxwell
NK-DeShawn Shead
Reserves
TE-Luke Wilson
Swing OT- Matt Tobin
RB- Eddie Lacy earned approx. 4.3 mil.
LB- Terence Garvin
LB- Marcus Smith
QB-Austin Davis
As I addressed in my earlier post the biggest disappointment is @ OL. The other factor was the massive amount of injuries on defense that couldn't be overcome in the end. I would expect some major changes to occur in this team in the next 6 months. Rams have some major work to do in the off season but its nothing when compared to what this old worn down birds who have lost most all their tail feathers will have to undertake.
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