Barksdale Negotiations have Begun

[jjab360]

But he's not under contract with Tennessee.
I havent been able to find anything that would prohibit them doing that.

Not sure if it's legal or not, but it'd be hilarious if they spent a ton of money on his honeymoon only for him to sign a contract elsewhere in the end.

 

[dieterbrock]

Not sure if it's legal or not, but it'd be hilarious if they spent a ton of money on his honeymoon only for him to sign a contract elsewhere in the end.

Totally agree

 

[bluecoconuts]

The tweet was from JT's account and I think you know the board of which I speak. Its been there 40 years. I'm not tech minded to bring stuff from that board where I don't post. I don't see eye to eye with Andy and am not the only person to have that. Maybe JT who has imploded after Fisher did'nt give him a heads up on the Foles trade was just joking. The guy needs serious help since the trade and subsiquent introduction of Foles where J.T. just talked about Sam Bradford right in front of Foles being introduced to the RAMS community.

Don't kill the messenger.

I don't see it on his Twitter, could have been a fake account, a beat reporter having a fake account made after them is rare, but it's not totally unheard of.

 

[jrry32]

But he's not under contract with Tennessee.
I havent been able to find anything that would prohibit them doing that.

I believe it falls under Section 5 of Article 4:

(b) Any agreement between any player or Player Affiliate and any Club or Club Affiliate providing for the player to be compensated by the Club or Club Affiliate for nonfootball-related services shall be set forth in writing as a separate addendum to the player’s Player Contract, which addendum shall state the amount of or otherwise describe such consideration. If such an agreement is executed subsequent to the execution of the player’s NFL Player Contract, it must be submitted to the NFL as an addendum to that Player Contract within two days of the execution or making of the agreement. The NFL shall provide a copy of such addendum to the NFLPA within two business days of receipt.

(c) No Club shall pay or be obligated to pay any money or anything else of value to any player or Player Affiliate (not including retired players) other than pursuant to the terms of a signed NFL Player Contract (or any addendum thereto for nonfootballrelated services as described in Subsection 5(b) above). Nothing contained in the immediately preceding sentence shall interfere with a Club’s obligation to pay a player deferred compensation earned under a prior Player Contract.

The 49ers and Broncos both got in trouble in the late 90s and early 2000s for skirting the salary cap rules. While both those teams involved players under contracts, this would likely still fall under the same issue.

Think about it like this, if teams could do this...what's to stop the Rams from giving a guy a $10 million bonus prior to him signing the contract in order to avoid accounting for it in their salary cap?

 

[dieterbrock]

I believe it falls under Section 5 of Article 4:


The 49ers and Broncos both got in trouble in the late 90s and early 2000s for skirting the salary cap rules. While both those teams involved players under contracts, this would likely still fall under the same issue.

Think about it like this, if teams could do this...what's to stop the Rams from giving a guy a $10 million bonus prior to him signing the contract in order to avoid accounting for it in their salary cap?

I dont think that is covering that. I believe thats referring to extra perks provided players under contract. And the perks that would be in addition to. I dont see how this refers to an UFA. Its not skirting salary cap because the player isnt under contract with the team.

Again, clubs do spend money on lavish dinners and entertainment while woo'ing FA
I dont see how in this case its any different. And like jjab said, would look pretty bad on Tennessee to spend the money and he still signs elsewhere

 

[jrry32]

I dont think that is covering that. I believe thats referring to extra perks provided players under contract. And the perks that would be in addition to. I dont see how this refers to an UFA. Its not skirting salary cap because the player isnt under contract with the team.

Again, clubs do spend money on lavish dinners and entertainment while woo'ing FA
I dont see how in this case its any different. And like jjab said, would look pretty bad on Tennessee to spend the money and he still signs elsewhere

It specifically mentions if a contract has not yet been executed and says that teams can't pay players except according to the terms in the deal or the terms discussed in (b).

Clubs can spend money on dinners and entertainment for players while they're in town. That's considered a visit. And I'm sure they have procedures for doing that that involve them disclosing to the league or being accountable to the league of what's going on.

But paying a player that isn't in town to convince him to sign with your team does not seem legal. Like I said, you could skirt the salary cap rules by paying players under the table before they signed their contracts if they allowed that.

There's also this:

ARTICLE 14 ENFORCEMENT OF THE SALARY CAP AND ROOKIE COMPENSATION POOL

Section 1. Undisclosed Terms: A Club (or a Club Affiliate) and a player (or a Player Affiliate or player agent) may not, at any time, enter into undisclosed agreements of any kind, express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind: (a) involving consideration of any kind to be paid, furnished or made available or guaranteed to the player, or Player Affiliate, by the Club or Club Affiliate either prior to, during, or after the term of the Player Contract; and/or (b) concerning the terms of any renegotiation and/or extension of any Player Contract by a player subject to a Franchise Player or Transition Player designation.

Section 2. Circumvention: Neither the parties hereto, nor any Club or player shall enter into any agreement, Player Contract, Offer Sheet or other transaction which includes any terms that are designed to serve the purpose of defeating or circumventing the intention of the parties as reflected by the provisions of this Agreement. However, any conduct permitted by this Agreement shall not be considered to be a violation of this Section.

 

[jjab360]

I dont think that is covering that. I believe thats referring to extra perks provided players under contract. And the perks that would be in addition to. I dont see how this refers to an UFA. Its not skirting salary cap because the player isnt under contract with the team.

Again, clubs do spend money on lavish dinners and entertainment while woo'ing FA
I dont see how in this case its any different. And like jjab said, would look pretty bad on Tennessee to spend the money and he still signs elsewhere

I'm not 100% sure, but I think this:

If such an agreement is executed subsequent to the execution of the player’s NFL Player Contract, it must be submitted to the NFL as an addendum to that Player Contract within two days of the execution or making of the agreement.

combined with this:

No Club shall pay or be obligated to pay any money or anything else of value to any player or Player Affiliate (not including retired players) other than pursuant to the terms of a signed NFL Player Contract (or any addendum thereto for nonfootballrelated services as described in Subsection 5(b) above).

Pretty much covers it. You can't pay players outside of contracts or visits, whether they're free agents or not.

 

[Corbin]

F it, if Barksdales mediocre ass doesn't want a reasonable contract let him walk and sign a decent player like Wis at center. Then we can pick a top tackle in the draft and might could sign Blalock to a decent contract or pick up a quality guy in the draft. I love Cooper but in reality we've needed to get the O-Line straight for a decade plus and we need a competent unit next year to at least half way support the defense besides 3 and outs and pick 6's.

Next year is the year to pick up depth/luxury picks.

 

[BonifayRam]

He's not immaculate in one thing, so we should just let him go to go and get somebody who may not even be up to snuff at all? Never understood this laissez faire, grass is always greener mentality. I get letting a guy go if you think better is out there ala the Raiders letting Wiz go, but this let him go there's a thin possibility that this guy we have no way of knowing anything about may be better always confused me. It's like asking to be bit in the ass.

The kid is solid, and we know he is and know what his problems are and we can tighten them up. Guy's 26 in his what will amount to his 3rd real season of playing. Giving up on him now seems pointless to me, especially if the only viable option is hope some guy in the draft works out. I think we as Rams fans should know better than any not to put all our stock into drafting guys and appreciate the quality we got.

Don't need to have HOFers at every position, a solid guy is a good start, and on an O-line where only 2 guys remain, solid is even better.

Thanks for reading my posts HometownBoy. First off, I agree with you when you say we do not need HOF'ers. Former good Ram Ol'ers like Andy McCollum, Tom Nutten & Ryan Tucker will never be HOF'ers. I agree I would love to have clones these OL'er them back in this OL today.

You did make me sad when you used the Morons who run a team in the San Fransisco Bay area "The Raiders" as a comparison to the Rams organization is like pouring sour milk in my corn flakes. What the Raiders do year after year...I would never used in my comments as to what the Rams have done here with Joe Barksdale. His are some of my comments on the Morons in Raider land.

http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/is-stefen-wisniewski-still-available.35930/page-11#post-531900

I would like to say here that the Rams Org. have been in involved in contract discussions with Joe Barksdale & from what I read there has been several offers that Joe Barksdale has REJECTED thus far. Do you really think that this Ram Org would disrespect JB in a low ball disrespecting offers? I sure do not. JB is a really good person & is due much respect by this Ram organization. They have let him know they want him to be part of this 2015 team.

I disagree with you strongly on your use of the statement "The kid is solid". How can you possible describe the 2014 on field performance in pass protection as being SOLID? Fact is you can't. Then throw in that you have acknowledged that he had & has problems in this area. These so called problems were very costly in 2014. If you just take one graded area ....the large amount of sacks permitted by HIM! Do we need to go further in areas like pass rush pressures & other pass protection graded areas?

In your remark where you say "we can tighten them up." OK when I go back & investigate what were some of the big alerts on the 2011 draft prospect JB you will find these comments that relate into this conversation. The below comments back early in 2011...I would ask you do they still remain here today in 2015?

"Barksdale's a backup right tackle prospect with exceptional size but less-than-adequate athleticism for the next level."
"has a difficult time dealing with double-moves or edge rushers"
"limited athleticism still causes him to be a step late at times."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/joseph-barksdale?id=2495118

"He's developed a reputation as doing just enough to get by rather than truly honing his craft."
"Can be overwhelmed when he gets lazy and doesn't keep his feet moving."
"while not nimble"
"Remains a technically flawed prospect who has been able to get by on only his natural ability."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/1244947

Rams were able to get JB back in 2012 due to this problem skill issue. Raiders wanted quick footed & quick movement OL'ers. JB could not fit into the Raiders needs in their OL scheme so they cut their 2011 3rd rd pick after two training camps & two pre seasons. Even while they still were in serious need @ OT. The Raiders believed that JB just did not have this ability in him to waste anymore time on him.

How long has Bou our OL coach been working with JB? since the beginning of the 2012 season. That's 3 seasons. or I could ask how long has Bou has been trying to get JB to tighten up his pass protection game? Would I be wrong & not factual here to say ... Thus far this three yr project has not improved? In fact could I respectfully argue that JB has in reality ...Regressed?

I will ask you HometownBoy How many NFL full season should it take for a NFL OL'er & using your words here How long should it take to "tighten up"?

Is three full Rams seasons plus add two seasons as a Raider enough to get you skills toned? Based on the evidence on the field in 2014 season I would think that Bou knows fully where JB is with this team & JB's true market value.

In conclusion: I would like to submit that most of the comments listed on JB's 2011 draft prospect analysis... can be said & back up from film today! Its my belief that any fan expecting JB to fixed (tighten) his ongoing pass protection issues after five yrs in the NFL may be demanding way too much. IMO JB is just not athletic enough to fix his technically flawed pass protection issues. Then add that that JB only plays one OL post.

 

[BonifayRam]

What rookie ORT in this draft will plug and play better than Joe Barksdale? NONE! Not this year friend.

IMO there is no way of really knowing this GabesHorn. I am well known for making hard matter of fact statements on many matters here in this forum but you fall right in there with me on that statement.I am not in agreement with you on this. But can say I do share some but not all of the concerns that you have voiced here about the OT prospects in this draft. Snead will needs to do some overtime homework here & hopefully make the right moves here to secure talent this yr for this Rams OL.

You could be right here that of all the OT prospects there may well not be a bona fide plug in and play starter that will play as well as JB. I will say this again that JB is not a Ram nor am I of the belief that JB will ever get better....whereas a new prospect stands a very good chance to improve greatly! Thus we will be better off @ ORT at some point in the near future. To me that's a much better position than to be stuck in the mess we had ongoing @ ORT post last season for many yrs to come.

Its seems that in your response to my post that you feel that I am expecting a rookie to come in here & start @ ORT from this years draft OT prospect cadre....If that's what you think then you are totally wrong. I do not expect this nor have I even suggested or posted this anywhere here in this forum. I have posted something entirely different. But I would love greatly for Snead to draft several OT prospects that have good potential.

Flowers,Clemmings,Collins are not really 1st rounders we've seen in past years .

not all draft prospects go the same from year to year your right but I have seen Past years ??? I would say this years OT prospects are much better than 2009.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ate=-1&award=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1

I would also say this 2015 OT prospects are better & more abundant than in 2012 & 2011 too.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ate=-1&award=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1

Peat has many head issues along with needing major footwork help.

I agree, but he is very smart & is athletically well gifted that should tell you something and its mostly all good! Peat looks to have the born given abilities to be special as a ORT & good swing OT all wrapped up in one package.

Scares me to death for Foles who needs a good o-Line. We are not in a position to choose right now. .......

Not sure I understand what position that the Rams are not in? Can you elaborate or help me out on this?

 

[VegasRam]

STRENGTHS
Saffold is tall with good bulk. Has a quick first step and engages with his hands to get inside defenders. Takes precise blocking angles in the running game and gets leverage to steer defenders out of lanes. Displays good awareness dropping back in pass protection and consistently picks up his blocking assignment.
WEAKNESSES
Frame is not wide enough to play left tackle in the NFL. Does not have the power to be a road grader in the running game. Lacks the lateral range in pass protection to neutralize edge rushers. Not athletic enough to make blocks in space at the second level and will struggle to pull if he makes the move to guard.


The above is an excerpt from his combine draft profile, and he was selected (albiet high) in the 2nd round.
Played pretty well at left tackle, IIRC, and definitely IS a road grader.

Point is, I like Barks as well, but not for what he wants. And, I trust Boo and Snead to pick well.

 

[GabesHorn]

IMO there is no way of really knowing this GabesHorn. I am well known for making hard matter of fact statements on many matters here in this forum but you fall right in there with me on that statement.I am not in agreement with you on this. But can say I do share some but not all of the concerns that you have voiced here about the OT prospects in this draft. Snead will needs to do some overtime homework here & hopefully make the right moves here to secure talent this yr for this Rams OL.

You could be right here that of all the OT prospects there may well not be a bona fide plug in and play starter that will play as well as JB. I will say this again that JB is not a Ram nor am I of the belief that JB will ever get better....whereas a new prospect stands a very good chance to improve greatly! Thus we will be better off @ ORT at some point in the near future. To me that's a much better position than to be stuck in the mess we had ongoing @ ORT post last season for many yrs to come.

Its seems that in your response to my post that you feel that I am expecting a rookie to come in here & start @ ORT from this years draft OT prospect cadre....If that's what you think then you are totally wrong. I do not expect this nor have I even suggested or posted this anywhere here in this forum. I have posted something entirely different. But I would love greatly for Snead to draft several OT prospects that have good potential.

not all draft prospects go the same from year to year your right but I have seen Past years ??? I would say this years OT prospects are much better than 2009.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ate=-1&award=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1

I would also say this 2015 OT prospects are better & more abundant than in 2012 & 2011 too.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draf...ate=-1&award=-1&collegecoach=-1&highschool=-1

I agree, but he is very smart & is athletically well gifted that should tell you something and its mostly all good! Peat looks to have the born given abilities to be special as a ORT & good swing OT all wrapped up in one package.

Not sure I understand what position that the Rams are not in? Can you elaborate or help me out on this?

Bonifay I hope you buy that awesome grass fed beef that Bonifay is famous for. We buy it here. You are Blessed. I'm too honored a poster of your knowledge would even waste time with my thoughts. I do love to watch and study college players in depth as I've always been a big draftnik for the Rams for 30 of my 50 years of being Dyed in the Wool RAM.

I make too many statements here and will stop that as it upsets many. I haven't posted on boards for 7 years as I posted for decades on only the Herd board. I only lurk there,no posting. A couple very talented draft scouts in Paul Butcher and Aly for short are highly respected and are on a winning streak of naming those who will be gems in the rough and picking players that great websites like Walters and others completely miss each year.


That said concerning Barksdale I think its all about length of contract that is holding up a signing with us and not a per year amount. I think we want no more than 2 years tops due to his lack of versatility and maybe as you have suggested he has reached his ceiling. How will he then play once paid unless he's kept on a short term deal of course with Demoffs escalators that most won't meet unless we make the playoffs.


In the case of Peat I've never seen bigger thighs on a guy and a great bubble butt you want in a drive blocker but his footwork is sloppy and slow in drills and his film shows he takes plays off too often. Some wonder how dedicated he is. Thats where I comment on where his head is at. Some said his little bit of arrogance in interviews at the combine was off putting. I am well aware of the ORT position as I played it 8 years. Yes it was a century ago in another era but I know a few things watching every year the game change and wonder how Peat won't have the same trouble early with speed rushers as Joe B. Did with two teams specifically with Houston of KC getting 3 sacks from his pass rushing OLB position along with one other rusher who got 3 sacks also last season.


Flowers had more bench presses and I like that for our ORT's and our run game. I'm concerned the legend Scherff will be gone before our #10 pick as the Giants will probably snipe us needing both OL &DL talent to fill major holes. Many think Snead will go BPA in first round OVER NEED at OL position and what coach Boo needs to bring a good cohesive unit to protect Foles. I'm all for a trade back as I don't see the value in this years OT's. If we are lucky to get Scherff remember his short arms if we start him first at ORT over OG where he could thrive.


I watched a few of Peats games and every step he took at the combine they showed.Clemmings had a bad Senior bowl practice week as he came in as ranked the top dog and has fallen hard since then. Collins has moved up due to his versatility mainly and the fact some think he has the body to add much weight and muscle as he is lean at this time and is projected to OG also. I liked watching him at LSU. I really like Cann from South Carolina if I could pick my guard and also think Dukes Tomlinson would be a safe pick for us at guard as he's gonna be a DR. one day after football. What a solid awesome kid.


I'm not a fan of Dismukes and like two others bigtime over him and his 23 reps,small hands and finesse zone style he used in their run game. Call me unimpressed. Even Erving from FSU is not a lock at 6'6" and a lean body that can add muscle and weight. Love his longer arms but he had only one year like our Barrett Jones had at the center position. Plus he played next to Tre' Jackson my 5th ranked OG and Mattius(sp?) on the other side who will go in 4-5th round.


I think Joe Barksdale knows we would be drafting his replacement and competing with him all camp and I think he does'nt like that idea on a 2 year prove it deal that suits us not just him. I think we are close on amount as many think different. I think its length of deal. Demoffs deals have been prove it deals with incentives this year except the too much deal for our #2 TE Kendricks who is getting better but I thought it was too much.


I think Foles NEEDS a solid OL to perform like we want and I saw PFF's ranking on the FA Reynolds we just signed and they have a positive grade for his 10 games played and think he is thought of as a starter next year unless a rookie beats him out. We both know we must dodge the injury plague our OL has suffered for a decade and staying young may help us. I too wish for a Timmerman and a McCollum as they served us well and we have'nt seen their likes again for a long while.


Sorry I write so long. Most hate me now with my thoughts on JL being avg. even with his 109 tackles last season I'm working on his stats of how much yardage he gave up when he made his tackles and how many were actually solo and assisted. He is always attacked in pass coverage as todays MLB does'nt have to be a liability in pass coverage. In his 7th year he's lost a step and if we had the picks we could draft his replacement. AO had more tackles and we both know how often he is out of position so I think his youth and recovery speed covers some of his mistakes and GW is starting to get him lined up right.Folks don't realize we drafted Ayers for his pass rushing ability as JL has'nt been able to get home when his number has been called on twist blitzes Williams calls regularly.


I won't be posting till a few movements have been made for us.Most hate me and my posting here so I'm gonna stay lurking only and keep them happy till some good moves are finally made. Most are uptight with our current needs and no movement this late into FA. Especially after HOPE walked in the door with Foles. GOD BLESS you and yours Bonifay . Sorry if I ever offended you. I think you misread my posts as I never meant to direct any thoughts toward you ever.

Wish you could visit me and I could give you things I've collected over my 50 years of fandom. My wife built me a 60 thousand dollar bathroom and Ram shrine. You could play ball in there and the largest tub made as I'm giant guy and she bought biggest tub made called the neptune. I can literally cover my giant self. Every different Rams helmets and I have a thousand Ram autos and memerabilia. Would love to give you connection info offline on this sight and I'd make it worth your short trip and folks here would believe you when you tell them I'm an okay guy that knows his stuff about the Rams if anything. Message me and lets talk. Thanks. I'm not a jerk. Just old and need help in how I post on MB's.

I can't take all my Rams stuff to Heaven with me and my College son is an Eagles fan and does'nt realize what these things are. I sold thousands of dollars this last year of my collection and have pictures of all that I sold and it did'nt even make a small dent in the iceburg of the collection. Largest Warner card collection on e-bay or anywhere. I want someone special to see it all and take some.

 

[jjab360]

STRENGTHS
Saffold is tall with good bulk. Has a quick first step and engages with his hands to get inside defenders. Takes precise blocking angles in the running game and gets leverage to steer defenders out of lanes. Displays good awareness dropping back in pass protection and consistently picks up his blocking assignment.
WEAKNESSES
Frame is not wide enough to play left tackle in the NFL. Does not have the power to be a road grader in the running game. Lacks the lateral range in pass protection to neutralize edge rushers. Not athletic enough to make blocks in space at the second level and will struggle to pull if he makes the move to guard.


The above is an excerpt from his combine draft profile, and he was selected (albiet high) in the 2nd round.
Played pretty well at left tackle, IIRC, and definitely IS a road grader.

Point is, I like Barks as well, but not for what he wants. And, I trust Boo and Snead to pick well.

Agreed, players change. Barks' media scouting report is all but irrelevant when talking about the player he is today.

 

[BonifayRam]

Bonifay I hope you buy that awesome grass fed beef that Bonifay is famous for. We buy it here. You are Blessed. I'm too honored a poster of your knowledge would even waste time with my thoughts. I do love to watch and study college players in depth as I've always been a big draftnik for the Rams for 30 of my 50 years of being Dyed in the Wool RAM.

I make too many statements here and will stop that as it upsets many. I haven't posted on boards for 7 years as I posted for decades on only the Herd board. I only lurk there,no posting. A couple very talented draft scouts in Paul Butcher and Aly for short are highly respected and are on a winning streak of naming those who will be gems in the rough and picking players that great websites like Walters and others completely miss each year.


That said concerning Barksdale I think its all about length of contract that is holding up a signing with us and not a per year amount. I think we want no more than 2 years tops due to his lack of versatility and maybe as you have suggested he has reached his ceiling. How will he then play once paid unless he's kept on a short term deal of course with Demoffs escalators that most won't meet unless we make the playoffs.


In the case of Peat I've never seen bigger thighs on a guy and a great bubble butt you want in a drive blocker but his footwork is sloppy and slow in drills and his film shows he takes plays off too often. Some wonder how dedicated he is. Thats where I comment on where his head is at. Some said his little bit of arrogance in interviews at the combine was off putting. I am well aware of the ORT position as I played it 8 years. Yes it was a century ago in another era but I know a few things watching every year the game change and wonder how Peat won't have the same trouble early with speed rushers as Joe B. Did with two teams specifically with Houston of KC getting 3 sacks from his pass rushing OLB position along with one other rusher who got 3 sacks also last season.


Flowers had more bench presses and I like that for our ORT's and our run game. I'm concerned the legend Scherff will be gone before our #10 pick as the Giants will probably snipe us needing both OL &DL talent to fill major holes. Many think Snead will go BPA in first round OVER NEED at OL position and what coach Boo needs to bring a good cohesive unit to protect Foles. I'm all for a trade back as I don't see the value in this years OT's. If we are lucky to get Scherff remember his short arms if we start him first at ORT over OG where he could thrive.


I watched a few of Peats games and every step he took at the combine they showed.Clemmings had a bad Senior bowl practice week as he came in as ranked the top dog and has fallen hard since then. Collins has moved up due to his versatility mainly and the fact some think he has the body to add much weight and muscle as he is lean at this time and is projected to OG also. I liked watching him at LSU. I really like Cann from South Carolina if I could pick my guard and also think Dukes Tomlinson would be a safe pick for us at guard as he's gonna be a DR. one day after football. What a solid awesome kid.


I'm not a fan of Dismukes and like two others bigtime over him and his 23 reps,small hands and finesse zone style he used in their run game. Call me unimpressed. Even Erving from FSU is not a lock at 6'6" and a lean body that can add muscle and weight. Love his longer arms but he had only one year like our Barrett Jones had at the center position. Plus he played next to Tre' Jackson my 5th ranked OG and Mattius(sp?) on the other side who will go in 4-5th round.


I think Joe Barksdale knows we would be drafting his replacement and competing with him all camp and I think he does'nt like that idea on a 2 year prove it deal that suits us not just him. I think we are close on amount as many think different. I think its length of deal. Demoffs deals have been prove it deals with incentives this year except the too much deal for our #2 TE Kendricks who is getting better but I thought it was too much.


I think Foles NEEDS a solid OL to perform like we want and I saw PFF's ranking on the FA Reynolds we just signed and they have a positive grade for his 10 games played and think he is thought of as a starter next year unless a rookie beats him out. We both know we must dodge the injury plague our OL has suffered for a decade and staying young may help us. I too wish for a Timmerman and a McCollum as they served us well and we have'nt seen their likes again for a long while.


Sorry I write so long. Most hate me now with my thoughts on JL being avg. even with his 109 tackles last season I'm working on his stats of how much yardage he gave up when he made his tackles and how many were actually solo and assisted. He is always attacked in pass coverage as todays MLB does'nt have to be a liability in pass coverage. In his 7th year he's lost a step and if we had the picks we could draft his replacement. AO had more tackles and we both know how often he is out of position so I think his youth and recovery speed covers some of his mistakes and GW is starting to get him lined up right.Folks don't realize we drafted Ayers for his pass rushing ability as JL has'nt been able to get home when his number has been called on twist blitzes Williams calls regularly.


I won't be posting till a few movements have been made for us.Most hate me and my posting here so I'm gonna stay lurking only and keep them happy till some good moves are finally made. Most are uptight with our current needs and no movement this late into FA. Especially after HOPE walked in the door with Foles. GOD BLESS you and yours Bonifay . Sorry if I ever offended you. I think you misread my posts as I never meant to direct any thoughts toward you ever.

Wish you could visit me and I could give you things I've collected over my 50 years of fandom. My wife built me a 60 thousand dollar bathroom and Ram shrine. You could play ball in there and the largest tub made as I'm giant guy and she bought biggest tub made called the neptune. I can literally cover my giant self. Every different Rams helmets and I have a thousand Ram autos and memerabilia. Would love to give you connection info offline on this sight and I'd make it worth your short trip and folks here would believe you when you tell them I'm an okay guy that knows his stuff about the Rams if anything. Message me and lets talk. Thanks. I'm not a jerk. Just old and need help in how I post on MB's.

I can't take all my Rams stuff to Heaven with me and my College son is an Eagles fan and does'nt realize what these things are. I sold thousands of dollars this last year of my collection and have pictures of all that I sold and it did'nt even make a small dent in the iceburg of the collection. Largest Warner card collection on e-bay or anywhere. I want someone special to see it all and take some.

Excellent!

Lord knows you don't offend me....I usually offend myself before I finish my own posts.

 

[Memphis Ram]

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[jrry32]

I won't be posting till a few movements have been made for us.Most hate me and my posting here so I'm gonna stay lurking only and keep them happy till some good moves are finally made. Most are uptight with our current needs and no movement this late into FA. Especially after HOPE walked in the door with Foles. GOD BLESS you and yours Bonifay . Sorry if I ever offended you. I think you misread my posts as I never meant to direct any thoughts toward you ever.

I hope that you continue to post. I enjoy reading what you have to say. On this board, people generally do a good job of separating differences of opinion with personal feelings. We can disagree without disliking each other as people.

We all have strong opinions of what we want to see the Rams do. We all enjoy discussing those opinions. But I hope you don't feel like your opinion has been marginalized or isn't liked because it's different. Keep on posting, my friend. I enjoy your take on draft prospects.

 

[Ramsey]

Looking at the bright side of where the sun doesn't shine on Joe Barksdale's big ass rear end...

If Joe signs elsewhere, please tell me we get a 2016 compensatory draft pick in exchange? Right? That's the way things work in the NFL?

Please, Tell me, I'm not bark, Barksdale-ing, bark, bark, barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Rams43]

Bonifay I hope you buy that awesome grass fed beef that Bonifay is famous for. We buy it here. You are Blessed. I'm too honored a poster of your knowledge would even waste time with my thoughts. I do love to watch and study college players in depth as I've always been a big draftnik for the Rams for 30 of my 50 years of being Dyed in the Wool RAM.

I make too many statements here and will stop that as it upsets many. I haven't posted on boards for 7 years as I posted for decades on only the Herd board. I only lurk there,no posting. A couple very talented draft scouts in Paul Butcher and Aly for short are highly respected and are on a winning streak of naming those who will be gems in the rough and picking players that great websites like Walters and others completely miss each year.


That said concerning Barksdale I think its all about length of contract that is holding up a signing with us and not a per year amount. I think we want no more than 2 years tops due to his lack of versatility and maybe as you have suggested he has reached his ceiling. How will he then play once paid unless he's kept on a short term deal of course with Demoffs escalators that most won't meet unless we make the playoffs.


In the case of Peat I've never seen bigger thighs on a guy and a great bubble butt you want in a drive blocker but his footwork is sloppy and slow in drills and his film shows he takes plays off too often. Some wonder how dedicated he is. Thats where I comment on where his head is at. Some said his little bit of arrogance in interviews at the combine was off putting. I am well aware of the ORT position as I played it 8 years. Yes it was a century ago in another era but I know a few things watching every year the game change and wonder how Peat won't have the same trouble early with speed rushers as Joe B. Did with two teams specifically with Houston of KC getting 3 sacks from his pass rushing OLB position along with one other rusher who got 3 sacks also last season.


Flowers had more bench presses and I like that for our ORT's and our run game. I'm concerned the legend Scherff will be gone before our #10 pick as the Giants will probably snipe us needing both OL &DL talent to fill major holes. Many think Snead will go BPA in first round OVER NEED at OL position and what coach Boo needs to bring a good cohesive unit to protect Foles. I'm all for a trade back as I don't see the value in this years OT's. If we are lucky to get Scherff remember his short arms if we start him first at ORT over OG where he could thrive.


I watched a few of Peats games and every step he took at the combine they showed.Clemmings had a bad Senior bowl practice week as he came in as ranked the top dog and has fallen hard since then. Collins has moved up due to his versatility mainly and the fact some think he has the body to add much weight and muscle as he is lean at this time and is projected to OG also. I liked watching him at LSU. I really like Cann from South Carolina if I could pick my guard and also think Dukes Tomlinson would be a safe pick for us at guard as he's gonna be a DR. one day after football. What a solid awesome kid.


I'm not a fan of Dismukes and like two others bigtime over him and his 23 reps,small hands and finesse zone style he used in their run game. Call me unimpressed. Even Erving from FSU is not a lock at 6'6" and a lean body that can add muscle and weight. Love his longer arms but he had only one year like our Barrett Jones had at the center position. Plus he played next to Tre' Jackson my 5th ranked OG and Mattius(sp?) on the other side who will go in 4-5th round.


I think Joe Barksdale knows we would be drafting his replacement and competing with him all camp and I think he does'nt like that idea on a 2 year prove it deal that suits us not just him. I think we are close on amount as many think different. I think its length of deal. Demoffs deals have been prove it deals with incentives this year except the too much deal for our #2 TE Kendricks who is getting better but I thought it was too much.


I think Foles NEEDS a solid OL to perform like we want and I saw PFF's ranking on the FA Reynolds we just signed and they have a positive grade for his 10 games played and think he is thought of as a starter next year unless a rookie beats him out. We both know we must dodge the injury plague our OL has suffered for a decade and staying young may help us. I too wish for a Timmerman and a McCollum as they served us well and we have'nt seen their likes again for a long while.


Sorry I write so long. Most hate me now with my thoughts on JL being avg. even with his 109 tackles last season I'm working on his stats of how much yardage he gave up when he made his tackles and how many were actually solo and assisted. He is always attacked in pass coverage as todays MLB does'nt have to be a liability in pass coverage. In his 7th year he's lost a step and if we had the picks we could draft his replacement. AO had more tackles and we both know how often he is out of position so I think his youth and recovery speed covers some of his mistakes and GW is starting to get him lined up right.Folks don't realize we drafted Ayers for his pass rushing ability as JL has'nt been able to get home when his number has been called on twist blitzes Williams calls regularly.


I won't be posting till a few movements have been made for us.Most hate me and my posting here so I'm gonna stay lurking only and keep them happy till some good moves are finally made. Most are uptight with our current needs and no movement this late into FA. Especially after HOPE walked in the door with Foles. GOD BLESS you and yours Bonifay . Sorry if I ever offended you. I think you misread my posts as I never meant to direct any thoughts toward you ever.

Wish you could visit me and I could give you things I've collected over my 50 years of fandom. My wife built me a 60 thousand dollar bathroom and Ram shrine. You could play ball in there and the largest tub made as I'm giant guy and she bought biggest tub made called the neptune. I can literally cover my giant self. Every different Rams helmets and I have a thousand Ram autos and memerabilia. Would love to give you connection info offline on this sight and I'd make it worth your short trip and folks here would believe you when you tell them I'm an okay guy that knows his stuff about the Rams if anything. Message me and lets talk. Thanks. I'm not a jerk. Just old and need help in how I post on MB's.

I can't take all my Rams stuff to Heaven with me and my College son is an Eagles fan and does'nt realize what these things are. I sold thousands of dollars this last year of my collection and have pictures of all that I sold and it did'nt even make a small dent in the iceburg of the collection. Largest Warner card collection on e-bay or anywhere. I want someone special to see it all and take some.

You should post more, GabesHorn, and not less.

And on either board.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your viewpoints, man.

 

[jrry32]

Looking at the bright side of where the sun doesn't shine on Joe Barksdale's big ass rear end...

If Joe signs elsewhere, please tell me we get a 2016 compensatory draft pick in exchange? Right? That's the way things work in the NFL?

Please, Tell me, I'm not bark, Barksdale-ing, bark, bark, barking up the wrong tree.

Depends on how much he signs for. Since we've already signed multiple players, he'd have to sign for a lot.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Bonifay I hope you buy that awesome grass fed beef that Bonifay is famous for. We buy it here. You are Blessed. I'm too honored a poster of your knowledge would even waste time with my thoughts. I do love to watch and study college players in depth as I've always been a big draftnik for the Rams for 30 of my 50 years of being Dyed in the Wool RAM.

I make too many statements here and will stop that as it upsets many. I haven't posted on boards for 7 years as I posted for decades on only the Herd board. I only lurk there,no posting. A couple very talented draft scouts in Paul Butcher and Aly for short are highly respected and are on a winning streak of naming those who will be gems in the rough and picking players that great websites like Walters and others completely miss each year.


That said concerning Barksdale I think its all about length of contract that is holding up a signing with us and not a per year amount. I think we want no more than 2 years tops due to his lack of versatility and maybe as you have suggested he has reached his ceiling. How will he then play once paid unless he's kept on a short term deal of course with Demoffs escalators that most won't meet unless we make the playoffs.


In the case of Peat I've never seen bigger thighs on a guy and a great bubble butt you want in a drive blocker but his footwork is sloppy and slow in drills and his film shows he takes plays off too often. Some wonder how dedicated he is. Thats where I comment on where his head is at. Some said his little bit of arrogance in interviews at the combine was off putting. I am well aware of the ORT position as I played it 8 years. Yes it was a century ago in another era but I know a few things watching every year the game change and wonder how Peat won't have the same trouble early with speed rushers as Joe B. Did with two teams specifically with Houston of KC getting 3 sacks from his pass rushing OLB position along with one other rusher who got 3 sacks also last season.


Flowers had more bench presses and I like that for our ORT's and our run game. I'm concerned the legend Scherff will be gone before our #10 pick as the Giants will probably snipe us needing both OL &DL talent to fill major holes. Many think Snead will go BPA in first round OVER NEED at OL position and what coach Boo needs to bring a good cohesive unit to protect Foles. I'm all for a trade back as I don't see the value in this years OT's. If we are lucky to get Scherff remember his short arms if we start him first at ORT over OG where he could thrive.


I watched a few of Peats games and every step he took at the combine they showed.Clemmings had a bad Senior bowl practice week as he came in as ranked the top dog and has fallen hard since then. Collins has moved up due to his versatility mainly and the fact some think he has the body to add much weight and muscle as he is lean at this time and is projected to OG also. I liked watching him at LSU. I really like Cann from South Carolina if I could pick my guard and also think Dukes Tomlinson would be a safe pick for us at guard as he's gonna be a DR. one day after football. What a solid awesome kid.


I'm not a fan of Dismukes and like two others bigtime over him and his 23 reps,small hands and finesse zone style he used in their run game. Call me unimpressed. Even Erving from FSU is not a lock at 6'6" and a lean body that can add muscle and weight. Love his longer arms but he had only one year like our Barrett Jones had at the center position. Plus he played next to Tre' Jackson my 5th ranked OG and Mattius(sp?) on the other side who will go in 4-5th round.


I think Joe Barksdale knows we would be drafting his replacement and competing with him all camp and I think he does'nt like that idea on a 2 year prove it deal that suits us not just him. I think we are close on amount as many think different. I think its length of deal. Demoffs deals have been prove it deals with incentives this year except the too much deal for our #2 TE Kendricks who is getting better but I thought it was too much.


I think Foles NEEDS a solid OL to perform like we want and I saw PFF's ranking on the FA Reynolds we just signed and they have a positive grade for his 10 games played and think he is thought of as a starter next year unless a rookie beats him out. We both know we must dodge the injury plague our OL has suffered for a decade and staying young may help us. I too wish for a Timmerman and a McCollum as they served us well and we have'nt seen their likes again for a long while.


Sorry I write so long. Most hate me now with my thoughts on JL being avg. even with his 109 tackles last season I'm working on his stats of how much yardage he gave up when he made his tackles and how many were actually solo and assisted. He is always attacked in pass coverage as todays MLB does'nt have to be a liability in pass coverage. In his 7th year he's lost a step and if we had the picks we could draft his replacement. AO had more tackles and we both know how often he is out of position so I think his youth and recovery speed covers some of his mistakes and GW is starting to get him lined up right.Folks don't realize we drafted Ayers for his pass rushing ability as JL has'nt been able to get home when his number has been called on twist blitzes Williams calls regularly.


I won't be posting till a few movements have been made for us.Most hate me and my posting here so I'm gonna stay lurking only and keep them happy till some good moves are finally made. Most are uptight with our current needs and no movement this late into FA. Especially after HOPE walked in the door with Foles. GOD BLESS you and yours Bonifay . Sorry if I ever offended you. I think you misread my posts as I never meant to direct any thoughts toward you ever.

Wish you could visit me and I could give you things I've collected over my 50 years of fandom. My wife built me a 60 thousand dollar bathroom and Ram shrine. You could play ball in there and the largest tub made as I'm giant guy and she bought biggest tub made called the neptune. I can literally cover my giant self. Every different Rams helmets and I have a thousand Ram autos and memerabilia. Would love to give you connection info offline on this sight and I'd make it worth your short trip and folks here would believe you when you tell them I'm an okay guy that knows his stuff about the Rams if anything. Message me and lets talk. Thanks. I'm not a jerk. Just old and need help in how I post on MB's.

I can't take all my Rams stuff to Heaven with me and my College son is an Eagles fan and does'nt realize what these things are. I sold thousands of dollars this last year of my collection and have pictures of all that I sold and it did'nt even make a small dent in the iceburg of the collection. Largest Warner card collection on e-bay or anywhere. I want someone special to see it all and take some.

Why is my Rams shrine also in my bathroom? Hahaha
It's the only safe place I have that my wife has no say in it's decor