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Well, I think they would have changed or tweaked the scheme if Atwell was considered to be a guy who would get 50-60% of the snaps.
When Kupp missed games 3 through 6 last year, Tutu got 80.8% of the offensive snaps. 74.1, 90.2, 80.8 and 78.2. He had 20 receptions on 30 targets, 284 yards (14.2). The scheme didn't appear to change at all.
 

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This is the heart of Tutu victimization syndrome. Which is when you get goddamn tired of hearing about what a victim he is. How the staff is to blame, oh but so is the QB, and why not the OL while we're at it, hell maybe even the cheerleaders are in on it.

It is absurd. Kupp carried this offense as a lynchpin for years and every single time he went out the offense struggled. Until they found Nacua, who instantly stepped in and carried the offense when Kupp was out. So why couldn't Tutu do that.
Oh, I don't know......maybe because he's not suited physically to "carry the offense"? Hey strawman it all you want, nobody is saying he's a #1 receiver....like Kupp or Puka. Nobody is saying he could carry the offense.
 

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McVay remembers every single thing that’s ever happened in his life, including football plays. He didn’t forget about a player.
Sure he does. After the fact he remembers EVERYTHING. But in the heat of the moment? Christ, he leaves guys out there when the game is already settled and has admitted to not knowing a player was out on the sidelines on certain plays. He's the head coach and OC and with everything on his plate during the game, he certainly does forget shit like that.


 
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Oh, I don't know......maybe because he's not suited physically to "carry the offense"? Hey strawman it all you want, nobody is saying he's a #1 receiver....like Kupp or Puka. Nobody is saying he could carry the offense.
You using the term strawman here is quite entertaining actually.

We have a poster here in this thread acting like it's easy for him to put up 1k yards. Which is an absurd take. He may get to 1k yards if he can win enough snaps and play well enough for McVay to elevate him in the read order. But what irks me, and has continued to irk me, is this tendency of some posters to act as if Tutu is a victim of the staff not using him well enough, the other receivers squeezing his playing time, the QB not seeing him, etc., etc.

Fact is even the posters like myself who are irritated by all this have said over and over again we are rooting for him. I'd love to see him light this league up. But in this discussion it's about keeping perspective in that Tutu is partially responsible for the fact that as a second round pick he's been nothing more than a fruit topping in this offense.
 

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He's the rub. NOBODY said he "was so awesome". I think most are saying, "he's a legit #3 receiver". IMHO, there is no way he hits 1,000 yards receiving. Not with Puka and Adams in front of him. 600-800? Sure, I'd take that any day.

As far as your question, no it's not "valid". Puka is a stud and Kupp is one of the best all around WRs.....when healthy.....whick hasn't been much lately. On top of that, he's hauling in 26 mil in 2024, so no, it's not a legit question. Why did they go get ADams is even worse. BECAUSE THEY LET KUPP GO. It's got nothing to do with Tutu.

And I'm not offended by it. My intelligence is but not me, personally.
Lmao how the hell is your intelligence offended but not you personally? I'm not saying that to attack you by the way but I'm actually laughing at that statement because it is funny tho so kudos there. We'll have to disagree as my question is definitely valid. Kupp was essentially phased out of the offense last year so Tutu should have gotten more run but didn't for some reason. The money aspect should have zero to do with it if a player is just straight up good. Puka is the latest example of that. Rams didn't have to go get Adams if they thought Atwell could more than pick up the slack but that isn't the case. My comment is more so for folks expecting the automatic 1,000 yard season which you just said you don't expect which makes it even more curious as to why you are so disturbed by it as we seem to agree there. I'm mostly taking the wait and see approach on this one but I'm not holding my breath on a 1 year WR to explode out of nowhere. Personally hoping I'm wrong as being so only benefits the team as a whole.
 

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Lmao how the hell is your intelligence offended but not you personally? I'm not saying that to attack you by the way but I'm actually laughing at that statement because it is funny tho so kudos there. We'll have to disagree as my question is definitely valid. Kupp was essentially phased out of the offense last year so Tutu should have gotten more run but didn't for some reason. The money aspect should have zero to do with it if a player is just straight up good. Puka is the latest example of that. Rams didn't have to go get Adams if they thought Atwell could more than pick up the slack but that isn't the case. My comment is more so for folks expecting the automatic 1,000 yard season which you just said you don't expect which makes it even more curious as to why you are so disturbed by it as we seem to agree there. I'm mostly taking the wait and see approach on this one but I'm not holding my breath on a 1 year WR to explode out of nowhere. Personally hoping I'm wrong as being so only benefits the team as a whole.
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Yes of course. So simple. If only that piece of shit staff would quit misusing his amazing skills.
I would have been interested in seeing what is stats *may* have been if he was given the chance at being a starter.
Considering he was a second round pick.
He reminds me of Tavon Austin 2.0 in that Snead just won't give up on that idea of a super fast little water bug type wide receiver.
But McVay not that on board with that type for his offenses.

BTW, Ferguson reminds me of Gerald Everett 2.0.
Snead wants to draft a Megatron type and he's not giving up until he does. :)
 

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Puka and Kupp came back week 8. So after week 7 what were the snap counts? Even counting week 18 when Kupp and Puka didn't play.

Tyler Johnson 145 snaps
Tutu Atwell 205
Jordan Whittington 88
Robinson was obviously the #3 WR.

Nine weeks on the year Atwell had more than Johnson and Whittington. Tutu was very clearly the #4 WR and on the year he had 60 less snaps than Puka and 200 less than Kupp, that isn't including him not seeing the field but for 3 snaps in the playoffs. Snaps where not an issue it was what he was able to do with those snaps that are the issue.
 

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This is the heart of Tutu victimization syndrome. Which is when you get goddamn tired of hearing about what a victim he is. How the staff is to blame, oh but so is the QB, and why not the OL while we're at it, hell maybe even the cheerleaders are in on it.

It is absurd. Kupp carried this offense as a lynchpin for years and every single time he went out the offense struggled. Until they found Nacua, who instantly stepped in and carried the offense when Kupp was out. So why couldn't Tutu do that.
Nobody’s saying he’s a number one option but everybody knows that Mcvay has his types of recivers tbh I don’t even know why he drafted tutu … but tutu can definitely help this offense and when he gets opportunity’s he makes the most of them does he have a drop every once and a while in traffic sure but don’t act like others don’t … he constantly gets separation and idc kupp was in his way and no way Mcvay was sitting kupp on the sideline no matter what unless he was hurt that’s why he let kupp go imo
 

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Puka and Kupp came back week 8. So after week 7 what were the snap counts? Even counting week 18 when Kupp and Puka didn't play.

Tyler Johnson 145 snaps
Tutu Atwell 205
Jordan Whittington 88
Robinson was obviously the #3 WR.

Nine weeks on the year Atwell had more than Johnson and Whittington. Tutu was very clearly the #4 WR and on the year he had 60 less snaps than Puka and 200 less than Kupp, that isn't including him not seeing the field but for 3 snaps in the playoffs. Snaps where not an issue it was what he was able to do with those snaps that are the issue.
And he still had more catches and yards with less opportunity’s then Robinson … A lot of the time when he was on the field he was just clearing out
 

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Lmao how the hell is your intelligence offended but not you personally? I'm not saying that to attack you by the way but I'm actually laughing at that statement because it is funny tho so kudos there. We'll have to disagree as my question is definitely valid. Kupp was essentially phased out of the offense last year so Tutu should have gotten more run but didn't for some reason. The money aspect should have zero to do with it if a player is just straight up good. Puka is the latest example of that. Rams didn't have to go get Adams if they thought Atwell could more than pick up the slack but that isn't the case. My comment is more so for folks expecting the automatic 1,000 yard season which you just said you don't expect which makes it even more curious as to why you are so disturbed by it as we seem to agree there. I'm mostly taking the wait and see approach on this one but I'm not holding my breath on a 1 year WR to explode out of nowhere. Personally hoping I'm wrong as being so only benefits the team as a whole.
I’m the biggest Tutu fan and that would be nearly impossible for him to get 1000 I think as the 3 he could get around 650-800 4-6 tds
 

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And he still had more catches and yards with less opportunity’s then Robinson … A lot of the time when he was on the field he was just clearing out
And Robinson was so bad as the #3 WR he's gone, not sure I'd be bragging about having a handful more catches than a guy we didn't retain. All that speed though with Atwell it's surprising he was 3 yards per reception behind Robinson.
 

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4.59 isn’t great but he did get separation in college. I hope he can do the same in the NFL
Sorry, didn't he post a 4.39 40yd dash (edit: at the combine)? and a 4.32 at his pro-day?
Some scouts at his pro day reportedly clocked him at 4.2.... highly questionable, but it's out there.
 
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You using the term strawman here is quite entertaining actually.

We have a poster here in this thread acting like it's easy for him to put up 1k yards. Which is an absurd take. He may get to 1k yards if he can win enough snaps and play well enough for McVay to elevate him in the read order. But what irks me, and has continued to irk me, is this tendency of some posters to act as if Tutu is a victim of the staff not using him well enough, the other receivers squeezing his playing time, the QB not seeing him, etc., etc.

Fact is even the posters like myself who are irritated by all this have said over and over again we are rooting for him. I'd love to see him light this league up. But in this discussion it's about keeping perspective in that Tutu is partially responsible for the fact that as a second round pick he's been nothing more than a fruit topping in this offense.
I was responding to the your, "why couldn't Tutu carry the offense". Nobody said he could. Well, one guy claims he could amass 1,000 yards, so everybody but him. Just like El Chapo's comment "if Tutu is that good, why didn't he take snaps away from Kupp?", it's ridiculous. Everybody (but 1 guy) has said, Tutu is a #3 WR.
 

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I was saying to be a 1st rounder
I'd watch the tape... but of course I gave him a height and weight build up here.

Still, I think you'd be better off watching tape on players than looking at 40 times. Just go to his thread and take a look at some of the highlighted plays. 40 speed ain't his game and ain't a problem either.