Would you want to see Hager get the nod over Laurinaitis next week?

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Did anyone else notice that he got banged up pretty early in the game, and got up really slow after one play? I agree that we need more production from both the players that were mentioned in this thread, the other one, our FS, who played well last week.

I don't know, but we can't let teams run all over us, and now the Skins have supplied the blueprint.
 

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Did anyone else notice that he got banged up pretty early in the game, and got up really slow after one play? I agree that we need more production from both the players that were mentioned in this thread, the other one, our FS, who played well last week.

I don't know, but we can't let teams run all over us, and now the Skins have supplied the blueprint.


I definitely saw that. He took a while to get up and I wondered if he was going to leave the field. He toughed it out though.

Maybe this caused his production and play to suffer. ?
 

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There comes a time in all player's career where it is more clear that they have slowed or lost a step, and maybe some of you have seen that in JL. However, putting in a guy from the practice squad in after week two would be a freaking knee jerk reaction especially since the guy you are benching is approaching the all time tackle number for the Rams. Williams put the Rams defense in a bad position in the first half. Let's bench him for a little bit until he can get his shit together and actually make changes during a game until waiting for the half.
 

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However, putting in a guy from the practice squad in after week two would be a freaking knee jerk reaction especially since the guy you are benching is approaching the all time tackle number for the Rams.

But he made the 53 man roster. How does this change your opinion?
 

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Did anyone else notice that he got banged up pretty early in the game, and got up really slow after one play? I agree that we need more production from both the players that were mentioned in this thread, the other one, our FS, who played well last week.

I don't know, but we can't let teams run all over us, and now the Skins have supplied the blueprint.
You and I were pretty big proponents of putting 55 in at SAM and moving Josh Hull over to MIKE back in the day because Laurinaitis was a more lateral player while Hull tended to play more downhill. Obviously Hull didn't amount to much, but it was an interesting thought process a few years back. Would have liked to see how that worked out.

In a Gregg Williams/Jeff Fisher/Buddy Ryan 4-3, you want your MIKE to be a gap-to-gap player who can shed and spill. You want your SAM to be almost a hybrid safety athletic freak who can tackle. You want your WIL to be a big strong dude who can maintain and contain, and you want your front 4 to be explosive off the snap and super strong. Safeties are also very important in that they both need to be big hitters and solid tacklers over speedy coverage guys, and your corners are the last thought. All they need to be is solid to reap the benefits of the front 4.

I really don't think they have *everything* they need to make this defense work consistently week in and week out right now.

But it's very close.
 

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As the OP stated, don't bash JL55 character or anything like that and I don't recall anyone doing that--IMO. What is frustrating about JL55 play is even if the front 4 have an off day--you would like your highly paid middle linebacker to maybe take over the game and make some great plays. Just a couple great plays behind the line of scrimmage can really change the momentum of a game and it "seems" in some fans opinions there" may be" a better option. There is certainly blame to go around for the way Washington ran over us -- but what about trying a guy who had a great pre-season that is younger and faster--thats what I am taking from the OP. Sorry for the don't read mantra!!!!!
Yeah - I get yuh. I just saw so much wrong that if JL was the real problem, it may have also come down to his calling the defenses. There may be a better option but I honestly don't see it on this team right now and I don't buy that we can pin point him as the real problem. ILBs and OLBs tend to make more splash plays and plays behind the LOS than MOST MLBs. I thought his play was a bit weak on Sunday but that also is like saying he was not the shiniest penny in the bag.
 

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You and I were pretty big proponents of putting 55 in at SAM and moving Josh Hull over to MIKE back in the day because Laurinaitis was a more lateral player while Hull tended to play more downhill. Obviously Hull didn't amount to much, but it was an interesting thought process a few years back. Would have liked to see how that worked out.

In a Gregg Williams/Jeff Fisher/Buddy Ryan 4-3, you want your MIKE to be a gap-to-gap player who can shed and spill. You want your SAM to be almost a hybrid safety athletic freak who can tackle. You want your WIL to be a big strong dude who can maintain and contain, and you want your front 4 to be explosive off the snap and super strong. Safeties are also very important in that they both need to be big hitters and solid tacklers over speedy coverage guys, and your corners are the last thought. All they need to be is solid to reap the benefits of the front 4.

I really don't think they have *everything* they need to make this defense work consistently week in and week out right now.

But it's very close.
Yeah, we were. I think it made more sense at the time.

As well as McLeod played last week, he was terrible this week. Terrible angles, bad tackling, sometimes you need your safety to bail you out, hell, that is how and why they named the position.....safety.

We are close, I believe that, my eyes tell me that, but those final pieces have to fit. I used to explain to my son, when he played backer, that he was like a RB. After you read the guards, if you see a big hole, go fill it, because that is where the RB will go. We never really see JL55 do this, he is more wait and read, like he is the safety. When you wait at that position, you wait to get blocked, IMO.

I really liked Hager this preseason, he showed good instincts, and the ability to make plays sideline to sideline. Lynch played well also. They are better than any of the backups we've had in a long time. They may not be ready.

I'd be OK with any change, if that is the answer. There were so many mistakes, so many bad plays, and I did notice that JL55 was a big part of not being able to get off his blocks, and make any sort of play. I believe Fisher, when he said it was a combo of a lot of things that went bad, and he/staff took most of the responsibility. Seems like this happens every year, Fisher gives his coaches enough rope to hang themselves, then he reels them in.

I'll say one last thing, I agree on the whole chop blocking bullshit, and players hate that too. Nobody, but especially big guys, like dudes diving at their legs, it's just unnatural, and IMO, pussy football. There has to be a way around it though, an adjustment that we should have made.
 

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Yeah - I get yuh. I just saw so much wrong that if JL was the real problem, it may have also come down to his calling the defenses. There may be a better option but I honestly don't see it on this team right now and I don't buy that we can pin point him as the real problem. ILBs and OLBs tend to make more splash plays and plays behind the LOS than MOST MLBs. I thought his play was a bit weak on Sunday but that also is like saying he was not the shiniest penny in the bag.

ILB's and OLB's are for 3-4 teams and maybe a hybrid "D". This RAMS team needs a MLB that either stands up the lead blocker so someone else makes the tackle or he meets the ball carrier in the whole after getting OFF second level OL blocking and stands the ball carrier up and either makes the tackle or others should be there in a mili-second.

I'm not sure what weight the program has JL listed at. He looks like about 225lbs and at least a Tarzan type build. He has lost his sideline to sideline ability that many younger LB's have. I don't care how heavy our MLB is as long as he can fulfill his team leading ability. First game we saw Full Defense Gang Tackling . Everyone but Fairley was in it up to their necks. JL looked really good. Second week was a nightmare if you have allowed yourself to rewatch the full game and just watch for one certain player as if you are responsible for grading him out. Other RAM sites have giant threads with scouts who have done just that.

A blueprint is now out there unless we have at least one other option why would'nt teams not just keep following what they saw and keep the cut blocking on our speedy front four and put the ownness on our LB's? I think if Le'veon Bell or Williams behind him continue to rn on us Ayers will be forced to at least see if his size and speed can do a better job shedding blockers and let McDonald call the defensive sets. Sometimes as with the CB Fisher brought from Titans who had a decent year and the next his total game was just gone. Not sure he is even in the NFL. I think JL would be better suited to a 3-4 ILB position.

We all just have opinions and I'm so surprised that in only the second week of the season a position so many said was'nt even on the radar in level of need in replacement has taken over many Rams boards. Playing the #4,#3,#2, Ranked NFL teams in succesive weeks will be a major challenge to say the least. I know JL is many,many favorite player. Its gonna be interesting if anything at all is even adjusted. I know sharing the Defensive Captionship with Quinn and both had the lowest ratings after week 2 somethings must improve. I'm sure both will lead the team this week as we shock the world and rock Bell back to the bench. We need to get home on Big Ben early with some big hits. Hope Williams Cigs and Fisher sleep in their offices this week and may wear pads once this week at practice.

WE knew this was coming before the season started. Its here now lets see what happens. I wa torched for my opinion.
 

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I think we have years of play to consider, not just one game. A lot of fans have been pointing this out for some time now. At the very least, we need a plan B.
But there's also a large precedence for him being very good, which fans and pundits alike have said for almost as many years. So which one is inherently correct?
 

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so much to get to....lets begin...
The two ILB's I remember going in 2ND round were the much smaller but super fast sideline to sideline guys in Perryman of Miami and Kendricks of UCLA and led Pac 12 in tackles. Not sure either would have been a fit for us buy Both have giant highlight reels taking down much bigger men with ease alone!
The best ILB in this class IMO was Stephone Anthony....and a bunch of these guys look like they can play....2 players I wouldn't touch, Bennard McKinney & Paul Dawson....the former doesn't wanna hit, the latter can't move...

Ayers is our best shot if we are to ever give JL a rest. I don't think we even consider it unless games like the skins repeat themselves.
I keep wondering why you believe Ogletree isn't a MLB? What tells you this? I keep hearing how he covers TE's, he's good in coverage. To me, it's the weakest part of his game....His strong suit is flying to the ball...Lets put him in the middle so he'll have more opportunities to do what comes natural. And I won't mind Ayers either...

I don't see JL's replacement on our team yet.
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Lets see what JL and AO do against a bigtime passing team.
Oh lord...Ask and you shall receive, Seek and you shall find...Next 3 games Pitt, Az, Green Bay
One of our "perceived" super stars isn't cutting the mustard right when we need him to do just that.
Whoever perceived him as a "superstar" is delusional.
but it's way to soon to talk draft,
Never too soon...NEVER!!
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016ILB.php

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2016/ILB

http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-footbal...gs-by-position/rankings/inside-linebackers/12

Tree is not an ILB or MLB. By playing him there I think you would take away any playmaking abilities we drafted him for and I'm not sure he sheds those blocks inside either.
IDK 503, Tree is/looks like a FOOTBALL PLAYER. I don't like limiting what these young men can do...We face the toughest 3 game stretch of our schedule, and as far as I'm concerned it's time to make drastic changes on a team ready to play in the post-season. Vets don't play like that...I almost think I saw him loafing to the play, and scared to tackle on others. And no, not singling him out...McLeod is next....
As well as McLeod played last week, he was terrible this week. Terrible angles, bad tackling, sometimes you need your safety to bail you out, hell, that is how and why they named the position.....safety.
Clearly the weakest starter on our unit. And because he starts, perhaps one of our best players, Mark Barron, comes out of the game. He too, (like JL55 above) has been here a while. He too, seemed like he'd rather let Jones run wild than throw his body out there....
As I watch a game, you look at guys that are playing with reckless abandon. Throwing their bodies around. Even if they make mistakes, I feel they can be coached, and improve....A guy continuously being blocked and ran by, FOR YEARS, can't be in the middle of a top 5 defense. Show me a top 5 defense, you'll find a leader that plays balls to the walls, in the middle of the field...Usually a LB but sometimes a safety. The fact that we have 2 guys, that fail to make plays, year after year, in BIG games, just shows how satisfied & complacent as a fanbase we've become....Unless you like losing, and being ok for what, 11 years? Changes should be prompt. This IS the strongest unit on the team. Act like it. Hold someone accountable....Or continue to get run over....
 

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I think what you said is fair. I prefer Hagar over Bates, if I project them into starters, which is what I'm trying to do. I think Hagar has better instincts, and reacts quicker than I've ever seen Bates. Bates was dinged up a lot in the preseason, so we didn't see a lot of action from him, he wasn't dressed for game one. I think most of us look for strengths, and weaknesses in players, and not just one or the other.

JL55 isn't my ideal type of guy for MLB, but he's never been the main problem, not saying he is now, but he was a problem last week. Can we move things around, or replace him, and get better? I'm not convinced either, but I am listening, with both ears.
 

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I'll admit to getting alittle excited watching Hagar play during pre season. But I think its because he was alot more active and quite a bit better than I expected him to be.

Having said that, no, I would not start him over JL.
 

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You people should stop calling Bryce Hager .... Hagar.
There is only ONE Hagar.

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You people should stop calling Bryce Hager .... Hagar.
There is only ONE Hagar.

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Didn't even realize, I was doing it...:palm:

I think I did it half the time, hedging my bets, I guess. Lol.
 

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But there's also a large precedence for him being very good, which fans and pundits alike have said for almost as many years. So which one is inherently correct?

It's the NFL, it's what have you done for me lately, as it should be IMHO.
 

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That would be extremely cold being he's about to break our all time tackle record.
 

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I give him one more game to see if he can turn it around, though I think his career is coming to an end. I think he's cut after the season.