Will Shotty Be Back as the Rams’ OC Next Season?

[Dr C. Hill]

Mr MaGoo will be let go by the Rams, but he will live to fight another day. He had a bad situation get worse this year, but he simply can't handle the job. He was not very good before he got here, and has been a disaster since! It is all really on Fisher. He hired this dud, and it is his job to fire him!

If the powers that be had given anything more than lip service to the OL, "Shotty" may have gotten another chance. That won't happen next year, and I say hard cheese to him!

 

[TGZ]

If I had to guess, I'd say about 28 teams dislike their offensive coordinators and want them replaced.

I would prefer Schotty gone, but I have to agree with some of the other posters here that said he'd look a whole lot better with a better C/RG in there, along with Sam Bradford at QB.

 

[Corbin]

Chairman Mao!

(Technically, it's not his LAST name, though it is his family name...)

Ok Ok almost anybody with the last name that starts with the letter M! lol

 

[CGI_Ram]

I wonder if he should go up in the booth and have an assistant?

I don't know if it's a concentration thing, or see the field thing, but maybe this would improve the consistency?

 

[Rams and Gators]

Would be shocked if he's not, he's running the system Fisher wants him to run, it's no coincidence that Fisher's last top 10 O was back in 2003.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

I wonder if he should go up in the booth and have an assistant?

I don't know if it's a concentration thing, or see the field thing, but maybe this would improve the consistency?

If Shotty feels he must prowl the sidelines then I can help the Rams by proving a list of guys here who feel they'd be qualified to do the booth assistant gig (play caller) not sure if they'd be willing to quit their day job tho

 

[fancents86]

If Jay Gruden becomes available, I hope not.

 

[WoodsideRam]

He'll be here. Have to see what he can do with an upgrade at offensive line. The QB situation is what it is. I feel with an upgrade at offensive line you can win with a Shaun Hill. If Bradford can stay healthy (a big if), even better.

This one is on Fisher. They decided to pay Cook 35 million dollars because he's supposed to be a match up problem for other teams. We've seen a flash here and there but nothing consistent. They traded up for Austin because he's supposedly a nightmare in space. We've seen flashes but nothing consistent. Quick was finally starting to come on. We've got Mason at tailback. Britt is in the mix now. This team has weapons. I don't want to hear we don't have weapons. If we make the upgrades at offensive line and this offense doesn't take a big leap. Like say to the middle of the pack kind of leap. And I don't think that's asking too much. Then Fisher could be in trouble. Because this defense is ready to move into the elite category. And if they can't score points next year, it's going to be a problem. And all fingers will be pointing to Schotty.

So beef up the line and hope for the best. I don't think he's going anywhere.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Would be shocked if he's not, he's running the system Fisher wants him to run, it's no coincidence that Fisher's last top 10 O was back in 2003.

I don't know about the system or not. But, I do believe that Fisher would have wanted and still wants a far better rushing attack than we have right now. That vast majority of his successful teams featured some of the top rushing attacks in the league.

And one can beef up and add bodies to an OLine all day long, but the entire offense still has to gell and be coordinated.

Again, if they decide to keep Schotty (which I really hope that they do not), it might be time to find another OLine coach who can serve the duo role of a running game coordinator like Schotty had in New York with Bill Callahan.

 

[RamSECUT]

I've often wondered how Schotty has managed to keep the job, when a proven, better OC is already on the coaching staff in Ray Sherman. I truly hope Mr. Schottenheimer finds greener pastures somewhere else. It's obvious that he doesn't make good in game adjustments.
A perfect example of this, is our last game. The offense comes out, goes up the field and gets 3 points. The defense adjusts, and we get nothing else until the 4th quarter. 5 straight 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter is pitiful. The Cardinals blitz was never adjusted to. Nor were any screens or draws used to calm down the pass rush.
I, honestly believe that the only reason that he has a job in the league, is his last name

 

[Boffo97]

I've often wondered how Schotty has managed to keep the job, when a proven, better OC is already on the coaching staff in Ray Sherman. I truly hope Mr. Schottenheimer finds greener pastures somewhere else. It's obvious that he doesn't make good in game adjustments.
A perfect example of this, is our last game. The offense comes out, goes up the field and gets 3 points. The defense adjusts, and we get nothing else until the 4th quarter. 5 straight 3 and outs in the 3rd quarter is pitiful. The Cardinals blitz was never adjusted to. Nor were any screens or draws used to calm down the pass rush.
I, honestly believe that the only reason that he has a job in the league, is his last name

To me, it seems obvious. One of two options:

1. Schotty is as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it). If true, this absolutely implies Fisher to be completely negligent, if not flat out incompetent.

2. Schotty isn't as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it).

 

[Amitar]

To me, it seems obvious. One of two options:
1. Schotty is as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it). If true, this absolutely implies Fisher to be completely negligent, if not flat out incompetent.

I'll take option #1, with the caveat that Fisher is only completely negligent as far as the OC goes.

 

[Boffo97]

I'll take option #1, with the caveat that Fisher is only completely negligent as far as the OC goes.

Fisher being completely negligent as to HALF THE GAME would be a very major problem.

 

[MrMotes]

To me, it seems obvious. One of two options:

1. Schotty is as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it). If true, this absolutely implies Fisher to be completely negligent, if not flat out incompetent.

2. Schotty isn't as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it).

That's a classic false dilemma is what that is.

Fisher is a defensive minded HC. He hired a first rate DC and we have a first rate defense.

While someone like Chip Kelley wants to run as many plays as possible, Fisher wants to run as few as possible, slow the game down, keep his defense fresh. He doesn't want a fast paced high octane offense. He wants an offense that first and foremost doesn't lose you the game.

You don't need a first rate OC for that job. BS is s a second rate OC and we have a second rate offense.

But as long as the defense is stellar the Rams can win with this model. So Fisher may be old school, he may even be out of touch with the modern NFL but he's not negligent. He just has a defensive mindset, much like Rex Ryan in NY...

 

[Boffo97]

That's a classic false dilemma is what that is.

Fisher is a defensive minded HC. He hired a first rate DC and we have a first rate defense.

While someone like Chip Kelley wants to run as many plays as possible, Fisher wants to run as few as possible, slow the game down, keep his defense fresh. He doesn't want a fast paced high octane offense. He wants an offense that first and foremost doesn't lose you the game.

You don't need a first rate OC for that job. BS is s a second rate OC and we have a second rate offense.

But as long as the defense is stellar the Rams can win with this model. So Fisher may be old school, he may even be out of touch with the modern NFL but he's not negligent. He just has a defensive mindset, much like Rex Ryan in NY...

There's nothing false about it. If Schotty's critics on here are right, he's far worse than a second rate OC, and there's no reason for it. It's not like there's a salary cap for coaches.

I think people just don't want to consider that maybe Schotty ISN'T as bad as he's made out to be.

 

[HometownBoy]

To me, it seems obvious. One of two options:

1. Schotty is as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it). If true, this absolutely implies Fisher to be completely negligent, if not flat out incompetent.

2. Schotty isn't as bad as many on the Internet think (or close to it).

A false dilemma.

Many coaches make bad decisions, Fisher also made the decision to put Walton in? Does that make him a bad defensive minded coach as well? No, he thought he had something good and when he realized he didn't he pulled the plug.

That's what he needs to do with the offense as well. Him having an OC that isn't working isn't black and white like some make it out to be.

I think it's a third option

3. Fisher thought he was getting something other than what he is from Schottenheimer, whom he's given time to see if he can right the ship given the lack of talent on offense. As he continues to prove that he can't handle it, Fisher realize he made a mistake, cuts ties. Is fine. People make mistakes, even coaches.

 

[Boffo97]

A false dilemma.

Many coaches make bad decisions, Fisher also made the decision to put Walton in? Does that make him a bad defensive minded coach as well? No, he thought he had something good and when he realized he didn't he pulled the plug.

That's what he needs to do with the offense as well. Him having an OC that isn't working isn't black and white like some make it out to be.

I think it's a third option

3. Fisher thought he was getting something other than what he is from Schottenheimer, whom he's given time to see if he can right the ship given the lack of talent on offense. As he continues to prove that he can't handle it, Fisher realize he made a mistake, cuts ties. Is fine. People make mistakes, even coaches.

Just calling "false dilemma" doesn't make it so. Saying something is true or is not true is not a false dilemma. One of those has to be true, especially given the wiggle room of "or close to it".

Walton really isn't comparable because Fisher let him go after one season. Schottenheimer has been here for 3. And if he's here after all this time AND he is anywhere near as bad as Internet critics make him out to be, then Fisher is negligent. Even if he lets Schotty go after this season, which likely won't happen and thus make this argument even stronger, then he's still been extremely negligent to keep him this long.

 

[HometownBoy]

Just calling "false dilemma" doesn't make it so. Saying something is true or is not true is not a false dilemma. One of those has to be true, especially given the wiggle room of "or close to it".

Walton really isn't comparable because Fisher let him go after one season. Schottenheimer has been here for 3. And if he's here after all this time AND he is anywhere near as bad as Internet critics make him out to be, then Fisher is negligent. Even if he lets Schotty go after this season, which likely won't happen and thus make this argument even stronger, then he's still been extremely negligent to keep him this long.

Not really? Having a coach that isn't so great for more than 1 year isn't negligence, that makes a lot of coaches negligent. Of course he's not as bad as the internet makes him out to be, the internet exaggerates everything. However just because he's not that bad doesn't mean he's good enough. That's what's being argued here, not if he's the most horrible, dumb idiot OC ever, but if he's good enough to do what's necessary for this team to succeed. At least in my case anyway.

It's still a good comparison because it shows that he's capable of making bad decisions and rectifying them, so it's not as damning as your post implies it to be. Yeah the years don't add up, so you can't compare the severity, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that making mistakes doesn't immediately equal negligence.

It takes time to tell, especially for the Rams, this offense was admittedly terrible before Fisher took over, he could easily have given Schott time to gather talent and see if he can use it. Now that talent is being gathered and the same mistakes are being made it's easier to see that he's not the right guy for the job. It's less negligence and assessing the situation.

 

[Boffo97]

Not really? Having a coach that isn't so great for more than 1 year isn't negligence, that makes a lot of coaches negligent. Of course he's not as bad as the internet makes him out to be, the internet exaggerates everything. However just because he's not that bad doesn't mean he's good enough. That's what's being argued here, not if he's the most horrible, dumb idiot OC ever, but if he's good enough to do what's necessary for this team to succeed. At least in my case anyway.

It's still a good comparison because it shows that he's capable of making bad decisions and rectifying them, so it's not as damning as your post implies it to be. Yeah the years don't add up, so you can't compare the severity, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that making mistakes doesn't immediately equal negligence.

It takes time to tell, especially for the Rams, this offense was admittedly terrible before Fisher took over, he could easily have given Schott time to gather talent and see if he can use it. Now that talent is being gathered and the same mistakes are being made it's easier to see that he's not the right guy for the job. It's less negligence and assessing the situation.

Making mistakes doesn't immediately equal negligence, I'm agreed with that. My point is that making the same mistake for three and very likely four years DOES.

That said, if Schotty does stay this next year, it does seem that Fisher does not share the "He's not good enough" opinion. At some point, we're back at the Fisher is wrong or Schotty isn't that bad dilemma though.

I do thank you for admitting that Schotty isn't as bad as the Internet makes him out to be though. I think what makes people so tired of Schotty getting bagged on is just how bad he's made out to be, or the fact that he gets attacked over things that really aren't as bad as people make them out to be (such as the decision to pass on 3rd and goal in San Diego.)

 

[StevenG-BR]

I'm so split on how I feel about Schotty. Yes, I think blaming OC's is a bit overrated and ignorant, but there are some legitimate concerns.

Tavon only touched the ball three times on offense vs AZ. THREE TIMES. I can't even express how inexcusable that is, and Austin has been underutilized for most of the season. And of course, there's the multiple examples of questionable playcalling, which may or may not be on him, such as the goal-line fiasco last week.

I think it's highly likely he'll be back next year, but not guaranteed. There seems to be some real signs of dysfunction between him and the players, with the Cook comments being the latest example. That makes me believe it's possible he could be gone.