Again, Kroenke doesn't owe them anything... neither did the Wagoner family... but they seemed to figure out a way to make things work for the benefit of all.
The Waggoner family likely needed the income from the leases.
I'm guessing they had been there already for a very long time. How did the Wagoner's deal with that? (BTW, I do not believe they sold because not developing around that lake did them in.)
How long? I dunno... but I'd advocate longer than the minimum prescribed by law.
Not sure but I believe he did. I don't know how long would be considered long enough. It's a tough situation. I don't know that giving more than 6 months helps that.
C'mon 503, you're better than that. I'm not saying he can't do anything right. He absolutely does one thing right - he makes money! But there's more to life than money, IMO. Help me here.. I tried to find this out but failed... how much has Stan Kroenke given to charity?
That was directed toward a specific member with a history of attacking Stan. The other moderators are well aware of it.
As far as amounts given to charity, my understanding is that he is very philanthropic but I don't have a factual answer for you.
But, the way he handles these things. "Most residents found out about the lease termination when a notice was posted on the community bulletin board Thursday. And Friday they received a certified letter with the same notice"
Just think there was/is a much better way to handle this... I guess I;m just a softie. If I were in their shoes, after all those years, I'd hope I'd be treated with more flexibility when it came to having to leave.
I'd agree that it sounds that way on face value. Having been involved in a great many of these cases, it is unfortunately likely the way it HAD to go.
It depends on how the lease contracts are written. There are very specific methods for notice spelled out in each lease. If the lease dictates that notice of a general eviction or change of use is to be posted in the club house then they have no choice but to do that. For example: If the lease says that the notice has to be delivered by US mail, you have to do exactly that. You cannot go and hand it to the lessee. Doing so would constitute a defective notice and would be thrown out in court. Also, the lessee could have a case that by handing it to them, even if you mailed it as stated in the lease, you violated the terms. When doing eviction proceedings, you handle notices exactly how the lease states. If not, the lessee takes you to court, you lose, the court awards attorney and court fees, and generally 3 months free rent and the clock starts over. If you file again right away, the courts often will throw that out as retaliation. I've been through this many times. Several times we lost even though we did everything right and we were evicting a violent druggy. In cases where we were changing the use of the property, the notice requirement remained.
Answer this honestly: Two years from now, what do you think will be on that lake - just nature or homes?
I honestly don't know. He did a similar thing on one of his ranches in Canada that I know of and never built on the land. With what he has said he is doing with the ranch, I am going to honestly guess it will not be a site for new homes. And he has done exactly what he said with all the ranches I am aware of. If you have some where he has reversed course, I will stand corrected.
I don't know what his plans are for the property nor do I know if it is part of what is considered the Waggoner Ranch. But if he is taking an existing, run down housing area and creating an upscale lake front community, it's really hard to blame him. I mean, just because he has more money than God, doesn't mean he should be ok with having these dwellings on his property. Look at it on Google Earth.
I agree that it sucks for the people being evicted. I don't argue that it's a good situation for them. But I have to say - who the hell builds a home on leased land knowing the lease could end at any time? I would also have to say that it appears that many of these homes are shacks that make the place look like a shanty town. There is no way in hell most of what I saw could be built today.
