Why can’t we generate any pressure?

[majrleaged]

The Eagles hold the ball for 2 long drives at the beginning of the game really pisses me off. It's time to see some magic and at the beginning of the freaking game for a change. Our offense is struggling to get on track and it doesn't help that we get the ball for half of what the other team does. I want a nose tackle in the game to stop the run. Play with someone in the middle, not outside the guards. Get rid of Natson and bring in smart. Bench poor beat up Barron and bring in anybody else. You know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same stupid ass thing that don't work over and over again and expecting a different result.

Speaking of Barron, I remember Adam Archaleta was a big hitter and reall liked him a lot. Then he hurt his back and when he came back from that he was never the same. Got a big contract from Redskins, but just faded away. It is looking very similar.

 

[Merlin]

I want a nose tackle in the game to stop the run.

Yeah me too. And before fifteen people swoop in with lessons about how Wade's NT works, just because it's one-gap doesn't mean you can get washed that two extra yards out of the play and create a huge hole. Suh lacks the ability to play NT in this scheme at a high level, not sure if he's too old and tired of just saving himself but it doesn't matter either way.

And then of course there's that quote of his from some years back which demonstrates he's not locked into any certain way, that if you draft him a big NT maybe he'll let him do the 2 gap thing in there:

"When I started out it was a two-gap defense, the defensive ends had to play two-gap and be able to rush the passer. Well that's a hard thing to do."

"We had a guy here with the Houston Oilers named Elvin Bethea," Phillips continued. "We said, ‘Wait a minute. We don't want to do that with that guy.' We started stunting the guys and moving them and let them do what they do well, playing a 3-4, but playing a different way, Phillips 3-4 if you want to call it that. I had another guy named Bruce Smith that wasn't bad at in a 3-4 You can do it with guys, if they have the abilities, then you let them go more. If they don't then you play a two-gap and just hold your ground all you can and let the linebackers make the plays. It's all about what kind of players you have and let them do what they do best."

Of course we lack the NT as well as the ILBs here.

 

[majrleaged]

Yeah me too. And before fifteen people swoop in with lessons about how Wade's NT works, just because it's one-gap doesn't mean you can get washed that two extra yards out of the play and create a huge hole. Suh lacks the ability to play NT in this scheme at a high level, not sure if he's too old and tired of just saving himself but it doesn't matter either way.

And then of course there's that quote of his from some years back which demonstrates he's not locked into any certain way, that if you draft him a big NT maybe he'll let him do the 2 gap thing in there:

"When I started out it was a two-gap defense, the defensive ends had to play two-gap and be able to rush the passer. Well that's a hard thing to do."

"We had a guy here with the Houston Oilers named Elvin Bethea," Phillips continued. "We said, ‘Wait a minute. We don't want to do that with that guy.' We started stunting the guys and moving them and let them do what they do well, playing a 3-4, but playing a different way, Phillips 3-4 if you want to call it that. I had another guy named Bruce Smith that wasn't bad at in a 3-4 You can do it with guys, if they have the abilities, then you let them go more. If they don't then you play a two-gap and just hold your ground all you can and let the linebackers make the plays. It's all about what kind of players you have and let them do what they do best."

Of course we lack the NT as well as the ILBs here.

By the way, did I hear Brockers came in to camp this year a lot lighter so he could rush the passer? He sure isn't the run stopper with less weight. Big mistake Brock. I see him on the ground a lot now. Like a turtle.

 

[Adi]

We have 1 good pass rusher

 

[Ram77]

Im loving how the Panthers defense is flying around. I wish we had LBs like that. We need to draft a stud ILB and NT to shore up the middle of this defense

 

[FrantikRam]

We should have blitzed the Eagles on every play.

I would definitely blitz the Cardinals and Niners on almost every play - let this defense attack.

 

[96GS#007]

Hopefully @-X- reads this and posts a still shot of the play where Sproles runs for 17 yards on 3rd and 4 . It was first or second drive in the first quarter. I'm sure Foles checked to the play the way the Rams were lined up . It was unreal
Help me out "X"

I don't have the still, but as I recall this was where our DL was lined up so wide (2 left, 2 right) that they may as well have picked a receiver to jam or even just take a seat on the bench. The middle was W I D E open for an easy run, no LB'er to be found. <smh>

 

[OntarioRam]

I think the issue of our lack of pressure is as much a scheme problem as it is anything else - although it is inexcusable, and in my opinion our team's most appalling flaw, that our all of our big names on defence cannot get home despite Donald eating double (and even triple!) teams consistently. It feels like we blitz less than anyone else in the league. I haven't seen the status, but that is what is feels like to me. Why is that? It's not like our secondary is covering opposing WRs with any degree of success, anyway. Might as well use them to bring some pressure at times. I'd like to see more safety and CB blitzes.

 

[SoCalRam78]

Defense has just been a disappointment under Phillips these last two years.

This defense is always on their heels.

That simple.

 

[dang]

Who brings the wood on this defense? Donald and Johnson. Suh and Joyner occasionally. After that is goes literally down to zero. That is IT!!!!

 

[brasilcalif]

I saw Peters actually running away from the runner several times. It appeared he was waiting for someone else to dirty up their uniform to make a tackle. I came close to turning this game off when the Eagles went up 30-13 but I wanted to see if the Rams had any fight in them.

He has been doing that all season. He is the first one that needs to go. He is the opposite of a physical corner. He is a damn joke that shys away from contact. I hope he is the first one they cut.

 

[brasilcalif]

The Eagles hold the ball for 2 long drives at the beginning of the game really pisses me off. It's time to see some magic and at the beginning of the freaking game for a change. Our offense is struggling to get on track and it doesn't help that we get the ball for half of what the other team does. I want a nose tackle in the game to stop the run. Play with someone in the middle, not outside the guards. Get rid of Natson and bring in smart. Bench poor beat up Barron and bring in anybody else. You know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same stupid ass thing that don't work over and over again and expecting a different result.

It drives me nuts that Wade is so stubborn to insist on something that is obviously not working. His scheme doesn't work. Rushing only 4 guys and never blitzing don't work. Saints blitzed the f out of Newton Monday and every time they did good things happened. It is funny because the rare times Wade had the guts to blitz it, Good things also happened to us. Why he doesn't do it wiry some consistency drives me insane.

Also The personell on field is not the best. I am sorry, Kiser has never played a regular season nfl game but he can't be any worse than barron.

 

[BriansRams]

Yeah me too. And before fifteen people swoop in with lessons about how Wade's NT works, just because it's one-gap doesn't mean you can get washed that two extra yards out of the play and create a huge hole. Suh lacks the ability to play NT in this scheme at a high level, not sure if he's too old and tired of just saving himself but it doesn't matter either way.

And then of course there's that quote of his from some years back which demonstrates he's not locked into any certain way, that if you draft him a big NT maybe he'll let him do the 2 gap thing in there:

"When I started out it was a two-gap defense, the defensive ends had to play two-gap and be able to rush the passer. Well that's a hard thing to do."

"We had a guy here with the Houston Oilers named Elvin Bethea," Phillips continued. "We said, ‘Wait a minute. We don't want to do that with that guy.' We started stunting the guys and moving them and let them do what they do well, playing a 3-4, but playing a different way, Phillips 3-4 if you want to call it that. I had another guy named Bruce Smith that wasn't bad at in a 3-4 You can do it with guys, if they have the abilities, then you let them go more. If they don't then you play a two-gap and just hold your ground all you can and let the linebackers make the plays. It's all about what kind of players you have and let them do what they do best."

Of course we lack the NT as well as the ILBs here.

There's no 2 ways about it for me. I strongly feel that Wade's scheme and play calling is NOT cutting it this season. Hate to say it because he's a great guy. But something is wrong.

 

[Legatron4]

It is crazy to me that the coaches can see the same thing on tape every week and still not change a damn thing. I absolutely hate 4 man rushes. The only time it works is when you have two great rushers who both need double teams. Which we clearly do not. Littleton is a great blitzer and he should be in there 5-7 times per game.

And for the love of fuck, activate Okoronkwo.

 

[brasilcalif]

It is crazy to me that the coaches can see the same thing on tape every week and still not change a damn thing. I absolutely hate 4 man rushes. The only time it works is when you have two great rushers who both need double teams. Which we clearly do not. Littleton is a great blitzer and he should be in there 5-7 times per game.

And for the love of freak, activate Okoronkwo.

I would even say more than 7 times ....more like 10-12 . 4 man rush is useless when other teams only have ONE guy to worry about ( AD ) . All the other 3 rushing are 99 % of the time , totally incapable of getting even near the QB

 

[Merlin]

There's no 2 ways about it for me. I strongly feel that Wade's scheme and play calling is NOT cutting it this season. Hate to say it because he's a great guy. But something is wrong.

Yeah I get it. And you're in the majority. But this scheme requires the right guys and without that you end up with what we've been suffering through.

Wade might be old, but the dude is still sharp. He just needs players who can play his calls and do their effin jobs.

 

[brasilcalif]

We should have blitzed the Eagles on every play.

I would definitely blitz the Cardinals and Niners on almost every play - let this defense attack.

blitz and wade does not go in the same sentence. That is probably my MAIN problem with him . NOT the only one , but my MAIN one .

 

[brasilcalif]

There's no 2 ways about it for me. I strongly feel that Wade's scheme and play calling is NOT cutting it this season. Hate to say it because he's a great guy. But something is wrong.

Last season we were also pretty bad on defense . 28 th in rushing defense if I am not mistaken . Wade is done , we seriously need a new D coordinator .

 

[1maGoh]

blitz and wade does not go in the same sentence. That is probably my MAIN problem with him . NOT the only one , but my MAIN one .

I saw a stat during one of the games that the Rams had the worst rate for giving up first down (or something similar, be possibly passer rating) when blitzing. It was PFF or similar entity generating the stat, but it wasn't DVOA or anything stupid like that. It was a normal stat (yards, passer rating, first downs, completions, something) and we sucked at it when blitzing.

That didn't seem to fit with a lot of people perception on here, so take it with a grain of salt. Maybe Wade isn't blitzing because he thinks we have up big plays too much when doing so? Maybe his blitz packages are too well known at this point. I don't know. Just spit balling.

 

[Hawaii Ram]

For me I just don’t like the wade phillips style of 3-4. I love the dick lebeau style of attacking 3-4 defense. I loved the unpredictability of where the blitzes were coming from, overload blitzes to create mismatches, zone blitzes. Just put so much pressure on the blockers. Right now we are just waiting for our guys to win 1 on 1’s which, besides Donald has not been working. I agree with everyone who says we keep trying to do things over and over and expect different results. Just not working. Need to try something different whatever it’s scheme, personnel, whatever.