What's the deeeeaaaaaal with Joyner??

[WestCoastRam]

I mean, talk about a guy who's been MIA! I don't think it's just that teams have been focusing on the short passing game as we have had some deep shots taken on us.

 

[SteveBrown]

Is he protecting himself----from injury.....FA status next year? HE doesn't seem like that type of guy...but doesn't make sense to me. I haven't seend the all-22, so I don't know.

 

[LARams_1963]

If he is, Wade will see it and act accordingly I'm sure. Can't hide from film.

 

[RhodyRams]

Is he protecting himself----from injury.....FA status next year? HE doesn't seem like that type of guy...but doesn't make sense to me. I haven't seend the all-22, so I don't know.

If he is, Wade will see it and act accordingly I'm sure. Can't hide from film.

dont think I have ever seen a player take it easy in a contract year. They usually ball out for that big money. But like 1963 said, cant hide from film

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He isn't feeling the love. He is in the J. Brown boat. He sees the new faces and then he sees Gurley and Havenstein, and especially Donald, getting locked up long term, but not him. He seems like an emotional guy. I'd better it is bothering him.

It sucks for him being a safety. That is one position that doesn't get much love in this league. Even the top guys are replaceable.

 

[Faceplant]

He isn't feeling the love. He is in the J. Brown boat. He sees the new faces and then he sees Gurley and Havenstein, and especially Donald, getting locked up long term, but not him. He seems like an emotional guy. I'd better it is bothering him.

It sucks for him being a safety. That is one position that doesn't get much love in this league. Even the top guys are replaceable.

This is an interesting take. I do think that he is an emotional kid, as witnessed in Hard Knocks, but he isnt doing himself any favors with his play thus far in 2018. He is an undersized safety with one good year under his belt as of now.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Why would Joyner be angry? He's making $11m this year when other safeties had trouble hitting $2m this season. He would be thanking the rams that they franchised him instead of letting him walk. I have a feeling the top money paid to a safety in the off-season was around $4m. maybe $5m.

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[den-the-coach]

@jrry32 posted in an earlier thread that the Safety play has been sub par at best. Johnson has missed some tackles and been beaten and Joyner as @WestCoastRam so astutely illustrates seems to be non existent. Overall Safety Coach Ejiro Evero needs to rally the troops. Marqui Christian has had moments, but #41 can be seen often trailing the play in coverage. Blake Countess has been more involved on special teams.

Johnson seems to be dealing with a bit of a Sophomore slump and IMO Joyner will not be extended and @Elmgrovegnome might be right on point about not feeling the love. Overall the draft is where the upgrades will come from next season, but let's hope Johnson finds himself and maybe a few safety blitzes called by Phillips might indeed re-energize Joyner.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

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Why would Joyner be angry? He's making $11m this year when other safeties had trouble hitting $2m this season. He would be thanking the rams that they franchised him instead of letting him walk. I have a feeling the top money paid to a safety in the off-season was around $4m. maybe $5m.

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Not angry, sad. He sees this train rolling and it's fun and exciting. He can be pretty certain that he is not in the long term plans. It would be depressing. He said it himself; I'd play this game for free. He wants to be with the Rams. He just saw them dump Quinn and Ogletree. He is realizing that this isn't the same game that he played in college or high school.

 

[André]

Not angry, sad. He sees this train rolling and it's fun and exciting. He can be pretty certain that he is not in the long term plans. It would be depressing. He said it himself; I'd play this game for free. He wants to be with the Rams. He just saw them dump Quinn and Ogletree. He is realizing that this isn't the same game that he played in college or high school.

I agree with this thought.

But from his own perspective, he's going to have to get over this and ball.

If you were with the hottest woman in the world for a limited time (say a week), and she was willing to do anything and everything in that time, but you knew it was absolutely going to end, you have two choices: pout about the eventual loss or enjoy the ride. You're only hurting yourself if you pout.

 

[Big Game]

Hmmmm but think about it guys who have we played that has really attacked us vertically? In all the games maybe a play or two here and there but for the most part its been dink and dunk. Especially when Talib and Peters were healthy. Now teams or just going after certain matchups. Ex Raiders picked on whoever Cook was being guarded by. John Johnson made a couple good plays. Vikings went at Peters knowing that he wasn't 100 %. Chargers beat us over the middle, now thats a game i would have liked to see the Safeties play better in.

 

[hotanez]

I think the safety position in our defense is being attacked by the OC of the opposing team. Last year they could attack our Secondary at the corner position, the safety wasnt a concern. After the offseason teams saw our starting CBs with our DL and figured it was best not to attack there. The players that are being targeted need to step up. Plus we need to remember we have a lot of new starters out there. It will take time but they will be playing much better come playoff time.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Hmmmm but think about it guys who have we played that has really attacked us vertically? In all the games maybe a play or two here and there but for the most part its been dink and dunk. Especially when Talib and Peters were healthy. Now teams or just going after certain matchups. Ex Raiders picked on whoever Cook was being guarded by. John Johnson made a couple good plays. Vikings went at Peters knowing that he wasn't 100 %. Chargers beat us over the middle, now thats a game i would have liked to see the Safeties play better in.

^This.

Good point @Big Game

 

[BonifayRam]

For the past four Ram games the Chat Room has seen a large amount of :rant:comments on Lamarcus Joyner play. I know there are just a few of us that use the ROD's great chat room .....but LJ's poor play has not escaped us!

I try to keep my negative short comments down as much as possible but it hard for me to lay off LJ perfromance. I have been a BIG fan of his, back to his early days @ FSU I can not explain this.

Here are a few of my comments on LJ going back about 3 weeks: "Our Franchized 2018 defensive player deep safety Lamarcus Joyner continues to be late on each & every play or worse nowhere in site for any pass play, not what we saw from him last season".
https://ramsondemand.com/threads/what-did-you-learn-from-week-4.55660/#post-1112909

"Yes the Chargers did score on one deep pass to Williams in the 3rd quarter when safety Lamarcus Joyner was sleeping and very late to cover the WR"
https://ramsondemand.com/threads/what-vikings-fans-are-saying.55575/page-9#post-1110729

"'I am thinking that safety Marqui Christian snaps in Wade's defense will increase
Thursday Night. A side bar issue here on safety Lamarcus Joyner's 3 wk overall play....:sadwalkn)."
https://ramsondemand.com/threads/what-did-you-learn-from-week-3.55580/page-2#post-1109741

"Now as far as Lamarcus Joyner.......he has been late often the last 3 weeks. His pass coverge, when he is not late has Not been as good as last season. How many hits have you seen LJ make? Most know I have always been a big LJ fan.....so he is disappointing me thus far. He is capable of much better play. Maybe putting on that 10 lbs on his under 5-8 frame was a bad ideal."

"This Vikings gm. will give us a larger view on LJ. He will have to bring his A game Thursday & he may end up playing on a Pro Bowl receiver a first for 2018. We will be able to see up front & close....then you fans can make your own judgements."
https://ramsondemand.com/threads/marcus-peters-injury.55565/page-6#post-1109519

"It's only been 2 gms played,...... but it sure appears to ne that JJ III is outplaying our Franchized Tag (near $11.3 million) deep safety Lamarcus Joyner."
https://ramsondemand.com/threads/pl...le-on-rams-loaded-defense.55532/#post-1106403

 

[Jacobarch]

I'm really confused by this thread. Is Joyner playing poorly or something? I haven't heard his name called at all which usually is a good thing on the back-end. I know we've also been playing more man and leaving 7 or 8 in the box to stop the run to help our young LB's.
As far as his contract is concerned Joyner made his own bed and now he has to sleep in it. If we lose him at the end of the season so be it. As others have suggested Safety isn't something that's easily replaced but it's a position that can be easily filled by a player that at least does his job. I do hope we can keep, but for the right price. We have peters to sign.

 

[1maGoh]

Not angry, sad. He sees this train rolling and it's fun and exciting. He can be pretty certain that he is not in the long term plans. It would be depressing. He said it himself; I'd play this game for free. He wants to be with the Rams. He just saw them dump Quinn and Ogletree. He is realizing that this isn't the same game that he played in college or high school.

If he said he'd play for free, then taking fewer dollars to stay shouldn't be a problem, right?

 

[yrba1]

It's the quarter of the season, I'll be concerned if his play lingers going into the postseason. Hoping Joyner is simply approaching this season the way I do when I eat my favorite meal: Save the best part for last

 

[fanotodd]

Teams don't franchise a player without first making an offer to sign him. I'm curious as to what Joyner turned down? With the market price for safeties right now, he might have made a mistake; especially if last year proves to be an anomaly.

 

[hotanez]

Teams don't franchise a player without first making an offer to sign him. I'm curious as to what Joyner turned down? With the market price for safeties right now, he might have made a mistake; especially if last year proves to be an anomaly.

he might not have been offered anything. remember we were trying to resign Watkins and AD's contract was still an issue.

 

[Jacobarch]

he might not have been offered anything. remember we were trying to resign Watkins and AD's contract was still an issue.

I'm pretty sure I remember hearing the Rams made him a deal and couldn't come to terms so they tagged him. It's not often they tag a player without giving some sort of contract offer. They did the same thing with Trumane Johnson. Hopefully he wants to win and understands he's not going to get paid like a CB. lol.