What’s the deal?

[BriansRams]

Long winded round about answer but I could see him in a ranking anywhere from 4 to 10 but much below 10 I might have an issue with a list.

Your thoughts?

Thanks for your thoughts. My answer is not going to contain many words. I'm not really good at that kind of thing.
My gut feeling however is no. Goff has not played well enough, continuously, so that I would rate him in the top 10 of QB's. Yet I'm a long time devout Ram fan so don't worry. But I keep it real and say it how I see it. It's all just opinions in the end. No big deal.

 

[badnews]

I don't think Goff is playing his best.
But I think he has, for 6 out of 7 games, has played well enough to be a winner and at times has been brilliant.
While some of his throws have been awkward, and maybe his accuracy isn't at his best, he clearly has matured in several other ways.
Hes on the verge of having the top quality veteran QB grasp of this offense. When he finally has all the answers to counter whatever Ds throw at him, the way guys like Brady, Brees, Wilson or even Fitzpatrick have, look the fuck out.
The kid just turned 26. Every year he has grown into a more complete QB. He is tough, smart, chill and has a great arm. He is fearless and trustworthy. He doesn't say or do stupid shit off the field or on it.

Jared Goff at age 28 will be much better than Goff at 26 and Goff at 30 will be even better. And he's damn good right now.

He has a great complimentary cast of possession recievers and YAC monsters, but he doesn't have a Tyreek Hill to bomb it too or a Mike Evans to climb and get it. As great as Reynolds has been playing and as excited as I am for Van Jefferson, I do look forward to the day Goff gets a weapon on the outside with a #1 type WR with the speed to out run the field. But someone with at least average size unlike Cooks, not being a concussion prone smurf with the instinct to lower his helmet before contact.

But back to Goff. I do see the unforced errors, the occasional WTF throws, the games where his accuracy isn't on point... but ya know what? I see those sane things happen with other QBs. And to be fair, I can't remember the last time Goff was the problem when his protection was good and his recievers weren't dropping passes.
Its never like he's the guy holding back a powerhouse.

Most QBs who enter the league as primarily pocket passers came in with less to learn. Goff was not only young but inexperienced in many facets of the pro-style nuances.

Lamar Jackson and Mahomes are great and kids like Hebbert and Allen and Burrows... lots of young guys to get excited about... but if you are telling me I could pick anyone in the league to be the Rams QB for the next 10 years, #16 is in my top 3 choices.

I like his toughness and durability, I like his arm talent, I like his attitude and I fucking LOVE having a franchise QB that we drafted and developed.

I think Jared Goff deserves a lot more credit than he gets and has been the single biggest reason for McVays awesome success with us.
When talking heads say "Sean McVay is 30 and 0 when leading at half-time", they would say "Quarterback ____________________ (Brady, Wilson, shit Kyle Murray even) is 30 and 0 since his his 1st full season as a starter!! He has a killer instinct and you see it in his 4th qtr rating" etc etc etc.

So in short, Goff is the man, doesn't get enough credit from the media, probably isn't properly appreciated by the fans and I hope he sets every franchise QB record on the books.

 

[matt30]

I think every QB has his strengths. A lot of the ranking comes down to what you value. Mahomes and Wilson have top tier ability to evade pressure and create time to make throws. I think Wilson, among those two, also has a great deep ball. Mahomes can get it there but not as accurately. Wentz, Allen, Dak, Watson, and Cam are all in that same mold but don't do it as well.

It's not my favorite style of QBing. I think it tends to get QBs hurt if you're not top tier.

Then you have strategy guys that take care of the ball. Brees, Brady, and Ryan. They don't have the biggest arm but they have high football IQ. They call protections well and read Ds really well. Always manage to find someone open. They dont like to push down field but can when they have to.

You have tough guy QBs. Rodgers and Big ben come to mind. Not as high football IQ but will stay on their feet while getting hit to deliver a throw. These guys just don't get affected by pressure. Usually have pretty big stature. Rivers is a lesser version of this.

Then you have "arm talent" guys. Guys who aren't afraid to throw balls into small windows. Top guys in this class are Goff and Stafford. I think Carr and Cousins are lesser versions of this kind of QB. Can make all kinds of throws routinely (on the move, in the pocket, floaters, bullets, play action, tosses, cross-field, ect.). These QBs live and die on their accuracy.

I think Goff is top tier in his class. I think the dual threat/scramble type QB is really in style right now, but I don't think it's the future. People who do think it's the future value Goff less.

 

[dieterbrock]

Wondering. Would you go as far as saying Goff is a top 10 QB?

Of course he is
Mahomes is head and shoulders better than every QB, and Wilson and Rodgers are on the next tier.
After that, there isnt another QB I'd take over Goff

 

[Snaz]

QB's don't hit every throw... even more so when playing good defenses.

When I look at what needs to be worked on, every unit and player has something... but Goff's are further down my list.

I think we were spoiled when Goff was like 13 for 13 and 12 for 12 opening in a few games...

 

[So Ram]

Ummm they had 33 pass and 34 rush attempts.

The PA and jet sweep game was working.

The Bears D is really good, and unless you wanted them to see them run up the gut into Aikeem Hicks and Khalil Mack over and over again,
(Like the last couple possessions, but all game) the gamelan was perfect.

To much jet sweeping & The Rams has the edge on Hicks a few times if they would have just run the ball instead.
IMO. - I was pissed on a few calls.

 

[So Ram]

No one in our division has the Bears defense. And the Rams played extremely well on offense in the second half until McVay went into ultra conservative mode with a 24 3 lead. It seems like it takes them a half to get going.

San Francisco has the closest to the Bears defense but they have too many players hurt and the Rams should have run rough shod over them. That was just a bad game from start to finish.

Both Arizona and Seattle have terrible defenses so both will probably be a high scoring affairs unless the Rams come fired up like they did today.

Plus they will have Robinson and Fuller back and possibly Lewis becoming the prime OLB in those games.

The Rams got lucky in a lot of ways against Da Bears imo. Yes Mcvay did go conservative & the clock was The Rams friend. The Rams O”Line is playing well run blocking.

 

[So Ram]

The bears d is really good, if they know what you’re gonna do, like at the end when the rams were not going throw, then it’s gonna be tough. Not saying don’t throw it but causing a turnover is the only shot they have, why give them that chance?

How many times did you here Robert Quinn’s name called?

 

[So Ram]

There is only one team on the Ram's schedule that has a defense that could be a challenge for the Rams. Surprisingly Tampa's D is showing itself to be a damn good unit. What gives them an advantage is they also have enough offense to take advantage of what their defense gives them. The Rams will need their A-game and Ramsey can't get caught looking and allow a receiver to run free. Brady would have burned him for probably 2 TDs.

But other than that if they continue to play as they did on Monday night they can run the table. If they sweep the rest of the division games I see them taking the division. That said the only real impediment is themselves. The coaches need to stay on top of things, and the players must play a clean game. Turnovers and penalties are what will derail this team.

If they play an aggressive game against Tampa and not sit back on both sides of the ball, the Rams match up well. As I said before the season I really feel they will finish 13-3 and no worse than 12-4. This team could have gone undefeated had Staley come out playing this style of defense from the beginning that's how good I think the talent is on this team. Had he played this style of defense against Buffalo they would have won. The same with the Niner loss.

I hope this was Staley's coming out signature win. He showed what he's capable of so he must build upon this game and not fall back into his soft play. AD said publicly that the team played too soft. IMO he was talking about Staley without mentioning his name. I think Snead and McVay saw the same thing and told Staley he needs to play to win not to lose. These are exactly the changes I said must be made and to Staley's credit, he proved he can coach to that level.

OMG, what can you say about Henderson? I knew he was good even before the season, but he's growing before our eyes. He made some moves and runs that were simply "Gurley who?" type of statements. I love his agility and most of all his acceleration. He's not all finesse he repeatedly shows a level of power you don't expect from 5'8" RB.

I don't know where all this criticism of Brown is coming from. As I've said repeatedly his role is to be the grinder and last night he certainly was. His red-zone runs and subsequent TD where he blasted his way into the end zone were exactly what this team needs. Henderson and Akers to break it open and Brown to grind it down the D's throat. I hope they can keep him because this gives the Rams a legit 3-headed monster run attack. What made Brown's performance even more eye-opening it that he did it against a very good defense. This is a top tier D and Brown ran it down their throats exactly how a defense like that needs to be attacked. Brown is a role player in this offense, but it's a crucial role and he plays it well.

They just need a legit FB to allow them to play that power run game I know Sean wants to play.

Agree on HENDO- he is a breath of fresh air.

Cam AKERS has to earn his Reps.

Malcom Brown has earned his carries & is The Rams power back.

—Don’t forget about Kromer & his gang. Those holes are created by
those players upfront. Example over a player who doesn’t get enough credit for his blocking is Gerald Everett.

 

[So Ram]

The box score split on pass/run was perfect, but I would have preferred to see more balance in how they got there. More runs early, more passes late. I know, McVay really wanted to get the lead so he passed, then really wanted to run out the clock and so he ran, but it was too predictable on both ends for me at least.

I know we crushed them... and it's ok to be aggressive in passing in games... but I hope to see McVay call some games with more patience or a better mix for the run. Not every game, not every series, but at least part of the time. We have seen this in the past from New England, where (when they had a passing game) they would just unpredictably come out and run the ball.

McVay is really good but imo he can still take it to another level as a play caller, one where other teams will not be certain what he will do going into a game or in a particular series. Right now teams still know he will default to the pass.

If your taking about the lead early. The Rams got lucky. Mcvay has to do a better job on play calling.

The holding call on Da Bear was HORSESHIT. Changed the game. I see it both ways. The game was changed on that call & a couple bad play calls by Nagy early. — imo!!!

I go back to the 9ers game & will say at the end of the half. 7 (6 ? Slo pats :-(
& a Hold that was not called.Against the 9ers he was held badly on a TD pass. The bears a cheap holding call that had no impact on a run play he still made the tackle on & wasn’t held.

Edwards TD hold against the 9ers was BS. Same can be said about the last game John Sullivan played for The Rams. Gurley finally gets going for a 12 yard run to the left side. Sullivan gets flagged blocking on the other side away from the play & it was not a hold.
If it’s not a hold & doesn’t impact the play. Even on a 50/50 call you let the play go on.If there is a 50/50 play again that impacts the game you make sure you keep an eye on the matchup.

 

[majrleaged]

What spoiled me was the 1st 1 1/2 years with mcvay. Since then it hasn't looked as easy. The league figured out how to defense our offense and made it a lot tougher on Goff.

 

[ReekofRams]

Damn right. And dump these shit receivers and bring back a REAL NFL WR like Brian Quick!

Let’s not forget Drew Bennett.

 

[Angry Ram]

The box score split on pass/run was perfect, but I would have preferred to see more balance in how they got there. More runs early, more passes late. I know, McVay really wanted to get the lead so he passed, then really wanted to run out the clock and so he ran, but it was too predictable on both ends for me at least.

I know we crushed them... and it's ok to be aggressive in passing in games... but I hope to see McVay call some games with more patience or a better mix for the run. Not every game, not every series, but at least part of the time. We have seen this in the past from New England, where (when they had a passing game) they would just unpredictably come out and run the ball.

McVay is really good but imo he can still take it to another level as a play caller, one where other teams will not be certain what he will do going into a game or in a particular series. Right now teams still know he will default to the pass.

To much jet sweeping & The Rams has the edge on Hicks a few times if they would have just run the ball instead.
IMO. - I was pissed on a few calls.

I really don't get these posts. This was probably the most creative he's been.

Guys, not every play is going to work out. The D is going to win sometimes, too, especially one like the Bears. All night tho the Bears D was on their heels, with the exception of the Robert Woods fumble.

Just because he doesn't do what you would've wanted to see, doesn't mean they were bad calls. Running up the middle over and over would be difficult, as evidenced by the last few drives.

 

[Flint]

How many times did you here Robert Quinn’s name called?

Well, didn’t he cause the fumble that led to their only td, although it was on a running play.

 

[dieterbrock]

How many times did you here Robert Quinn’s name called?

Like when they kept saying he played for the Rams last year? That broadcast was soooooo bad.
But infinitely better than Booger....

 

[Ellard80]

Goff played fine for the most part. He tried really hard to throw a pick at the end of the half, but the rest of the game he did well against a tough tough defense.

He gets to play Seattle and the Cardinals twice which are usually good for his stats.

We typically move the ball well against the seacawks.. and their defense is worse this year. - which means I just jinxed it.

 

[FarNorth]

I really don't get these posts. This was probably the most creative he's been.

Guys, not every play is going to work out. The D is going to win sometimes, too, especially one like the Bears. All night tho the Bears D was on their heels, with the exception of the Robert Woods fumble.

Just because he doesn't do what you would've wanted to see, doesn't mean they were bad calls. Running up the middle over and over would be difficult, as evidenced by the last few drives.

I don't disagree with your comments. I watched the game again last night and agree that McVay's calls were not bad and certainly could be considered creative. Also agree that, runs or not, it worked out, we won big time. I'm usually not inclined to second guess games that we won or to be critical of what I regard as the Rams' best in class coaching.

My point was my ongoing disappointment that the Rams can start a game with terrific physical blocking on good runs basically up the gut or off left guard/tackle and then not go back to them in any consistent way. I've been sensitive on this front since we lost McVay's first playoff game to Philly in this fashion.

On the other hand, McVay still consistently defaults to the pass. That carries some risk of turnovers against a team like Chicago, a couple of which we narrowly avoided. That's especially the case when passing plays are too predictable coming from him.

In general it seems to me that if you can run the ball straight at a defense like Chicago's you keep calling some of those plays. While the wide receiver sweeps and really short passes in effect get us more runs, the Rams have been really good at the physical up the middle runs with both Henderson and Brown. Have to think the Rams could have had more runs throughout the game such as Brown driving the ball in to score on two plays late in the third. And that's what gets the oline going.

So I would like to see more of them. Not every down, not three downs in a row (as McVay uncreatively called the last several series to run down the clock). Just keep them more in the mix. Enough to keep the Bears D honest with some balance.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that this approach could actually have gotten us both more points and more physical domination of the game sooner.

 

[Ellard80]

Football doesn't work like so many posters in here conclude. Just because "you want to be physical" or you "want to hit them with big plays over the top" or whatever you want to see.

Offensive and defensive play calling is dictated by many things - but predominantly its dictated by personal and formation.

If you want to "physically run the ball up the middle" that's not going to work if the defense is playing for that - especially a dominant defense like the bears. The constant refereeing about run % or pass % on all football forums drives me fucking insane. It's not just this board either. The amount of runs and passes is often dictated by game script more than game plan. If the defense crowds the line with aggressive and talented defensive players - running into them is going to get you a lot of punts. We had a coach who did that a lot.

Balance is only important in that you want the defense to feel the threat of the pass or run, but in the end you do what is working - not what is "balanced." If running is working every time - then run it 20 straight times and vice versa. You attack the defense where is its weak - not just because you are trying to run x amount of pass plays or x amount of run plays. We have like the 5th rated rushing offense in the nfl or something. We ran a lot at the end of the game because of game script - we ran out the clock but didn't maybe gain a yard most of the 4th quarter.

History will show you - and I'm sure Mcvay knows one 100000 more times about this than me or you - great defenses are more often beat by passing.

The goal is to score points.....

 

[Ram65]

I think McVay wants to stay away from turnovers thus Goff may not be trying to force throws. The only way the Rams lose to the Bears would have been turning the ball over. I haven't rewatched the game but, Goff did what he had to win. It's hard to tell if he defenses are confusing him or if the WRs aren't getting open on some plays. All in all JG has been doing very well.

 

[ottoman89]

What spoiled me was the 1st 1 1/2 years with mcvay. Since then it hasn't looked as easy. The league figured out how to defense our offense and made it a lot tougher on Goff.

This is extremely relatable for me, and agree 100% to me. It seems like after we got figured out, things don't seem near as smooth or rhythmic. I know I'm wrong but it feels like he's just never in rhythm anymore.

You can find a few better then Goff but A LOT worse and still see us winning a Super Bowl with him. I love Goff.