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sjm1582002

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Last years. "#1 D" got bulldozed in the playoffs by GB.

Given the loss of FA's and coaches on the D side a dip in performance is to be expected.

Football is a funny game. A team outmuscles and embarrasses you one week and the rematch a few weeks later can go completely different.

Almost glad the "wake up call" AZ delivered last Sunday happened as all the premature and silly "The Rams are playing like a Super Bowl champion" talk has vanished from here and everywhere else.
 

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And I'm not advocating for Ramsey to be only outside. I'm happy to have him in the slot (which Star includes) when they premium threat is in the slot. Just less Star for Star's sake. I think it's just that we got out of balance with that.
When DC Morris plans & will continue to plan to have CB David Long taking up the outside post meanwhile best outside corner in the NFL takes up a partime post for many teams, Ramsey is primarily used in the star/slot coverages you're going to get more of the same that we saw in the Cards game. No other way about it. ITs call failure. I expect to see DC Morris's defenses continue to suck & suck more.
 

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Johnson looks like the key loss. The dropoff was significant. But Morris also is learning this defense on the job IMO.

So as he starts getting it down and makes some personnel adjustments hopefully things improve.
 

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Interesting take. We'll never know for sure if the regression on D is due to (a) talent drain or (b) coaching change. But I do think it's easy to forget just how much talent we lost on D this past offseason.

Here's a quick-n-dirty rundown of the average salary per year of the guys we lost:

Brock, 8 M
Hill, 4.5M
JJ, 11 M
Fox, 4M
Ebukam, 6M.

Other NFL teams obviously put a high value on the guys we lost. Their combined salaries per year: "about" 33.5M bucks.

33.5 M in just one year is a lot of talent to lose on one side of the ball.
I still don't know how Ebukam got the Whiners to give him $6 million a year. What a fleecing. JJ and Fox hurts the most imo. Hill sucked in coverage but he was a great tackler so that hurts but not for the price. Brockers I liked and would take him over not having him but better ways to spend his salary probably.

See how this defense looks after the next couple of games before I hit the panic button.
 

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When DC Morris plans & will continue to plan to have CB David Long taking up the outside post meanwhile best outside corner in the NFL takes up a partime post for many teams, Ramsey is primarily used in the star/slot coverages you're going to get more of the same that we saw in the Cards game. No other way about it. ITs call failure. I expect to see DC Morris's defenses continue to suck & suck more.
At some point McVay has to step in, my opinion
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Last years. "#1 D" got bulldozed in the playoffs by GB.

Given the loss of FA's and coaches on the D side a dip in performance is to be expected.
Some of us pointed that out before the season. The loss of personnel, pushing young players into new positions, and a new DC were always going to take time to work out.

It's not easy to produce a fine tuned team D where everyone is on the same page. Mid season, in time for critical second half games against the division, is hopefully a realistic time frame.

Of course that assumes we have the pieces needed both on the field and on the sidelines. Jury is still out.
 

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Almost glad the "wake up call" AZ delivered last Sunday happened as all the premature and silly "The Rams are playing like a Super Bowl champion" talk has vanished from here and everywhere else.

It's a bit bracing to see such a sudden dose of reality on this board after all the inflated talk about how great the team, coaches, and particular favorite players were. As if they could do no wrong and nothing could go wrong in football.

From Super Bowl champs waiting to be crowned to torches and pitchforks is just a step.
 

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Johnson looks like the key loss. The dropoff was significant. But Morris also is learning this defense on the job IMO.

So as he starts getting it down and makes some personnel adjustments hopefully things improve.
The loss of Johnson is significant IMO. But I don't agree Morris is learning on the job. He's a pro. He's been around a long time. Plus what a crap move by McVay to hire a guy who didn't know the D. I don't think he would to be honest. There was an interview process right?

I think Morris is just doing his own thing with the D and it's not good. And to be fair some of the players are failing to get the job done. I'll probably get killed but one of those guys is AD. We don't expect AD to put up average numbers like he is.
 

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Johnson looks like the key loss. The dropoff was significant. But Morris also is learning this defense on the job IMO.

So as he starts getting it down and makes some personnel adjustments hopefully things improve.
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The loss of Johnson is significant IMO. But I don't agree Morris is learning on the job. He's a pro. He's been around a long time. Plus what a crap move by McVay to hire a guy who didn't know the D. I don't think he would to be honest. There was an interview process right?

I think Morris is just doing his own thing with the D and it's not good. And to be fair some of the players are failing to get the job done. I'll probably get killed but one of those guys is AD. We don't expect AD to put up average numbers like he is.
At what stop during his coaching tour do you think he picked up expertise on the Cover4/6 schemes?
 

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Reminds me of former Ram DC Lovie Smith in so many ways on how they coached & called their defenses.
The Cover 2 gave the Chiefs some trouble on Sunday night.

I think we need to let it evolve. I’m not impressed so far but am hopeful it is a work in progress.

I really think a big problem has been Fuller’s speed and Rapps playing out of position. So maybe it’s just not going to work. I really wish they could have resigned JJ.
 

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The Cover 2 gave the Chiefs some trouble on Sunday night.

I think we need to let it evolve. I’m not impressed so far but am hopeful it is a work in progress.

I really think a big problem has been Fuller’s speed and Rapps playing out of position. So maybe it’s just not going to work. I really wish they could have resigned JJ.
Yeah the answer might be letting Morris call what he's comfortable with. He's trying to call Fangio's scheme and it's just not the same which tells me he's missing that feel and deep understanding of it.

But I'd like to see them unfuck safety first. Change out the subpar pieces then see if Morris can get things rolling. We have what looks like the makings of a pretty good CB room now with Rochell in there. He's gonna make mistakes but he's also going to improve and I don't think it will take too long for him to be a solid CB3 compared to his contemporaries. Now fix that safety spot and see if this unit can grow and gel.

If Morris can't get things rolling from there then sure, let him start running more of the shit he's got a feel for and see how far you can go. Someone mentioned Pagano a while back and it's not a bad suggestion but firing a coordinator midseason is rough man. Sure would be nice if McVay can help his friend get a handle on the scheme. This is all McVay's fault.
 

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Yeah the answer might be letting Morris call what he's comfortable with. He's trying to call Fangio's scheme and it's just not the same which tells me he's missing that feel and deep understanding of it.

But I'd like to see them unfuck safety first. Change out the subpar pieces then see if Morris can get things rolling. We have what looks like the makings of a pretty good CB room now with Rochell in there. He's gonna make mistakes but he's also going to improve and I don't think it will take too long for him to be a solid CB3 compared to his contemporaries. Now fix that safety spot and see if this unit can grow and gel.

If Morris can't get things rolling from there then sure, let him start running more of the shit he's got a feel for and see how far you can go. Someone mentioned Pagano a while back and it's not a bad suggestion but firing a coordinator midseason is rough man. Sure would be nice if McVay can help his friend get a handle on the scheme. This is all McVay's fault.
I doubt McVay would fire his buddy. I like Pagano too and wouldn’t mind the move.

Fixing Safety is a problem. Fuller is no JJ. If they made a trade I’d be trying to get a deep free safety. Fuller and Rapp are box safeties and Nick Scott is a back up/ rotation guy. There is no free safety on this team.

I’d go as far to say Fuller and Rapp are just small linebackers. It’s a big hole. If Long had panned out then maybe they could have tried working Rochelle in at FS. I’m going to guess that none of the others on the roster, like Hughes or Burgess are any better. Otherwise they’d be in there. It could simply be that Morris loves his hard hitting/sure tackling safeties and guys like Hughes, Burgess and Reed aren’t satisfying him enough to play them. I didn’t like how small Burgess looked last year, but he has the speed needed.

Maybe it’s just Morris not being flexible with his roster. Hopefully over the next few games the Rams can get a lead and they can try some back end options.

If not then this is a big problem and a huge roster miscalculation similar to letting Saffold move on a few years ago.

The Rams gave up 37 to the Carfs and the Niners only gave up 17. It’s concerning.
 

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I doubt McVay would fire his buddy. I like Pagano too and wouldn’t mind the move.

Fixing Safety is a problem. Fuller is no JJ. If they made a trade I’d be trying to get a deep free safety. Fuller and Rapp are box safeties and Nick Scott is a back up/ rotation guy. There is no free safety on this team.

I’d go as far to say Fuller and Rapp are just small linebackers. It’s a big hole. If Long had panned out then maybe they could have tried working Rochelle in at FS. I’m going to guess that none of the others on the roster, like Hughes or Burgess are any better. Otherwise they’d be in there. It could simply be that Morris loves his hard hitting/sure tackling safeties and guys like Hughes, Burgess and Reed aren’t satisfying him enough to play them. I didn’t like how small Burgess looked last year, but he has the speed needed.

Maybe it’s just Morris not being flexible with his roster. Hopefully over the next few games the Rams can get a lead and they can try some back end options.

If not then this is a big problem and a huge roster miscalculation similar to letting Saffold move on a few years ago.

The Rams gave up 37 to the Carfs and the Niners only gave up 17. It’s concerning.
Morris likes how Rapp hits. It's his MAD plays BS causing him to start even though he can't play the position.
 

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It's a hard comparison I think objectively we played 4 collectively worse teams last year in comparison to this year and have some similar results to show for it. I think the defense is not passing many peoples eye test or is/was behind the offense so its easy to pick on.

I still maintain as I said last year, although we did statistically rank 1st in a lot of the advanced metric categories and some of the traditional ones last year we were far from the normal "Number one defense in the NFL". Generally speaking a lot of the traditional metrics by which people judge defenses were higher than many years past. And I think some of that has to do with the implications of COVID and practice time. For example, in 2020 we were second in the league in ppg allowed at 19.3 just one year prior in 2019 that puts us at seventh and that ranking remains pretty consistent all the way back to 2008 where we would start falling further.

In 2020 only two teams allowed fewer than 20 points per game which again is a statistically anomaly going all the way back to 2003 where the figure is generally 6-12 teams per season most consistently around 10. We allowed 99.1 rushing yards per game, good for 4th best in the league, from 2017-2019 that would have been good for 7th or 8th each year and in 2016 that would have been 14th best. We were 15th in takeaways per game.

Overall what I am saying is a lot of defenses played worse in 2020 based on a lot of the measurables we traditionally go by and again I think COVID was a big part in that statistical anomaly with some players sitting out, restricted access to facilities and coaches, etc. We performed very well in a lot of the yardage allowed and passing yardage categories and would have been good for top 3 in recent years prior but that alone with uninspiring ppg, rushing yards per game, lackluster takeaways does not make this defensive juggernaut a lot here seem to think we had. We were a good D that made some big plays and performed better than most in a difficult year but historically we were not memorable.

Our Defense looked like the bright spot compared to our offense last year, now that is no longer the case so the drop in production seems more glaring.

So what changed since last year? Not much IMO. We got a little worse because we are a little less experienced loosing the vets we did. I think most of the takes here are over reactionary because of the "Number 1 Defense" tag everyone likes to flaunt. Not all Number 1 defenses are equal its a measurement that is equally based on peer performance as it is your own.

It's a hard comparison I think objectively we played 4 collectively worse teams last year in comparison to this year and have some similar results to show for it. I think the defense is not passing many peoples eye test or is/was behind the offense so its easy to pick on.

I still maintain as I said last year, although we did statistically rank 1st in a lot of the advanced metric categories and some of the traditional ones last year we were far from the normal "Number one defense in the NFL". Generally speaking a lot of the traditional metrics by which people judge defenses were higher than many years past. And I think some of that has to do with the implications of COVID and practice time. For example, in 2020 we were second in the league in ppg allowed at 19.3 just one year prior in 2019 that puts us at seventh and that ranking remains pretty consistent all the way back to 2008 where we would start falling further.

In 2020 only two teams allowed fewer than 20 points per game which again is a statistically anomaly going all the way back to 2003 where the figure is generally 6-12 teams per season most consistently around 10. We allowed 99.1 rushing yards per game, good for 4th best in the league, from 2017-2019 that would have been good for 7th or 8th each year and in 2016 that would have been 14th best. We were 15th in takeaways per game.

Overall what I am saying is a lot of defenses played worse in 2020 based on a lot of the measurables we traditionally go by and again I think COVID was a big part in that statistical anomaly with some players sitting out, restricted access to facilities and coaches, etc. We performed very well in a lot of the yardage allowed and passing yardage categories and would have been good for top 3 in recent years prior but that alone with uninspiring ppg, rushing yards per game, lackluster takeaways does not make this defensive juggernaut a lot here seem to think we had. We were a good D that made some big plays and performed better than most in a difficult year but historically we were not memorable.

Our Defense looked like the bright spot compared to our offense last year, now that is no longer the case so the drop in production seems more glaring.

So what changed since last year? Not much IMO. We got a little worse because we are a little less experienced loosing the vets we did. I think most of the takes here are over reactionary because of the "Number 1 Defense" tag everyone likes to flaunt. Not all Number 1 defenses are equal its a measurement that is equally based on peer performance as it is your own.
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Taylor Rapp's first five gms of 2021 his skills set reminds me of a mixture of 25 % Cody Davis/ 25 % Marqui Christian & 50% Craig Dahl.

If Rapp begins to take his own teammates out like he did last Thursday I might have to figure out how to fit in some % of TJ McDonald
 
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