What is wrong with the offense?

[Allen2McVay]

Are we talking about KC or the Rams?

That's both funny and true because most of the Chiefs' 2024 victories have been very close games.

However, any team that has averaged 13 wins a season for six straight years (that's impressive), with incredible post-season success ... five straight AFC Conference Championship Games, with four Super Bowl appearances and three Lombardis is going to get the benefit of a doubt. That has certainly been earned.

 

[Ellard80]

Again its good message board material to talk about.

But we need real film analysis - play intention ect.

I put most of the blame on Stafford and McVay - because they are the brains running the offense.

Noteboom crushed the offense almost single handedly - which could be argued is a McVay issue, letting one bad lineman destroy the offense - we have seen this before.

 

[majrleaged]

Again its good message board material to talk about.

But we need real film analysis - play intention ect.

I put most of the blame on Stafford and McVay - because they are the brains running the offense.

Noteboom crushed the offense almost single handedly - which could be argued is a McVay issue, letting one bad lineman destroy the offense - we have seen this before.

We have seen it way to often and it is a serious blind spot for McVay.

 

[fanotodd]

That's both funny and true because most of the Chiefs' 2024 victories have been very close games.

However, any team that has averaged 13 wins a season for six straight years (that's impressive), with incredible post-season success ... five straight AFC Conference Championship Games, with four Super Bowl appearances and three Lombardis is going to get the benefit of a doubt. That has certainly been earned.

Well, gee, I guess anybody would sound impressive if you’re gonna cherry pick like that…

 

[dang]

I going to take an more optimistic view on the offense:

- Bills game: 44pts was an anomoly. It was great but throw it out
- 69er game: Find a way to punch in TDs on 2 of the short FGs = 20pts (vs 12)
- Jet game: Make the XP and find a way to get a TD instead of settling for FG inside 20yd line = 24pts (vs 19)
- Cards game: Punch in a TD instead of settling for FG on 7yd line = 17pts (vs 13)

Get a little more creative/tougher and the outlook would be much better. I trust McVay will find a way (other than scoring 40+ pts).

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I going to take an more optimistic view on the offense:

- Bills game: 44pts was an anomoly. It was great but throw it out
- 69er game: Find a way to punch in TDs on 2 of the short FGs = 20pts (vs 12)
- Jet game: Make the XP and find a way to get a TD instead of settling for FG inside 20yd line = 24pts (vs 19)
- Cards game: Punch in a TD instead of settling for FG on 7yd line = 17pts (vs 13)

Get a little more creative/tougher and the outlook would be much better. I trust McVay will find a way (other than scoring 40+ pts).

I appreciate the optimism, but it’s not the points totals that bother most. It’s the multiple stalled drives. Three and outs after waiting 8 minutes to get the ball are very frustrating. Teams have done well lately exploiting the Rams defensive deficiencies. Those big cushions in the secondary allow teams to slowly plod downfield and limit the number of touches that the Rams offense gets. That makes each and every opportunity precious. It magnifies the inability to move the ball at times.

 

[FrantikRam]

I am putting the slow starts on Stafford. I haven't watched all 22 to confirm, but just looking at the games there were a lot of missed throws. Not sure what is going on there, but its been a consistent theme almost all year.

For the offense sputtering entire games, it seems like that is a lack of having a downfield threat, and I put that on McVay because we have that player on our team already.

I am sure there are reasons, but I am not seeing us get much value from having Robinson on the field. Its not like he's a good run blocker either. Putting Tutu on the field and having him go deep every play would open things up.

 

[majrleaged]

I appreciate the optimism, but it’s not the points totals that bother most. It’s the multiple stalled drives. Three and outs after waiting 8 minutes to get the ball are very frustrating. Teams have done well lately exploiting the Rams defensive deficiencies. Those big cushions in the secondary allow teams to slowly plod downfield and limit the number of touches that the Rams offense gets. That makes each and every opportunity precious. It magnifies the inability to move the ball at times.

This sounds like the complaints from Morris's time. Not that there is anything wrong about that.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think the oline has been a problem with pass pro so Stafford is basically making a pre-snap read and going with it. Doesnt have the time to look down the route tree.
And basically when all else fails, throw it to Puka
I keep hearing posters say Kupp isnt getting separation, but no film to prove it

 

[Tumak61]

Last 3 games have been a combo of things. Bad weather in two of them, and two division opponents mixed in with an early game back east. Could be as simple as that. Cards were playing man and outside Nacua no one was giving Stafford a good target. Kupp drops a pass right in his hands. Rams are more of a running team with good Defense now. McVay will have to scheme some shots to Atwell or Robinson to get some explosives

 

[Mojo Ram]

I think the oline has been a problem with pass pro so Stafford is basically making a pre-snap read and going with it. Doesnt have the time to look down the route tree.
And basically when all else fails, throw it to Puka
I keep hearing posters say Kupp isnt getting separation, but no film to prove it

I tend to lean to your take. The OL in pass pro isn’t getting it done for what the pass plays/routes are demanding.

The other problem that many have commented on is the lack of speed across the board with our skill guys. WR RB TE

 

[methomas50]

View: https://twitter.com/PFF_Rams/status/1874891033806315802?t=SeUtOp9yoSKqKMR6r40GyA&s=19

 

[Merlin]

I think the oline has been a problem with pass pro so Stafford is basically making a pre-snap read and going with it. Doesnt have the time to look down the route tree.
And basically when all else fails, throw it to Puka
I keep hearing posters say Kupp isnt getting separation, but no film to prove it

This is my take too. Stafford's an old dog now who isn't as willing to take a beating as he used to be. So when the protections are shit he dissembles into survival mode which is quite ugly.

Our struggles on offense are mostly about the protections. The lack of speed in the pass game threats exacerbates that. And on top of it all Stafford has not responded well when he's had less time. He will have games where the good Stafford shows up but it's been pretty ugly overall.

This is why I think there's a chance McVay takes a QB if one he likes falls to him at the right spot. Though I think the primary focus this offseason will be pass game weapons and finishing up the secondary. Playoff performance undoubtedly will factor in there I'd say.

 

[Merlin]

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When we have our starting five yes I'd say 13th is accurate. Right around that middle of the pack range.

Earlier this season they were bottom feeders, so they have come a long way.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

This sounds like the complaints from Morris's time. Not that there is anything wrong about that.

I think it’s worse than that in a few of these later games. They give up ten yards and let the opponent match down the field. Thats a good way to lose against a team that has a good defense.

The Cardinals nor Jets have good defenses and they were close games. They were on the verge of losing that Cardinals game. If the Cardinals just kept running the ball they likely would have.

 

[DzRams]

I appreciate the optimism, but it’s not the points totals that bother most. It’s the multiple stalled drives. Three and outs after waiting 8 minutes to get the ball are very frustrating. Teams have done well lately exploiting the Rams defensive deficiencies. Those big cushions in the secondary allow teams to slowly plod downfield and limit the number of touches that the Rams offense gets. That makes each and every opportunity precious. It magnifies the inability to move the ball at times.

The style of the defense does limit the number of touches that the offense gets.

The stats bear out that their defense is one of the worst at getting off the field.

But the offense also needs to be more efficient. The stats reflect that that offense has improved some in the 2nd half of the season once it was fully healthy, but it's still a middling offense in how often a drive ends up with a score of any type and TD percentage.

Entire Season

Score of Any Type % - 37.7%, ranked 17th
TD% - 22%, ranked 13th
FG% - 15.79%, ranked 16th
Turn Over % - 8.2%, ranked 7th

Weeks 10 - 17 (healthy OL and return of WRs)

Score of Any Type % - 41.6%, ranked 13th
TD% - 23.4%, ranked 11th
FG% - 18.2%, ranked 10th
Turn Over % - 5.2%, ranked 3rd


The offense needs to get the Score of Any Type % up to or greater than 45% and the TD% above 30 in order to be a top 10 offense.

 

[methomas50]

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[TexasRam]

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It's a good point.

We don't have a Lamar Jackson/Josh Allen at QB
We don't have a Gibbs/Barkley at RB
We don't have a Chase/Hill at WR
We dont' even have a Bowers/Mcbride at TE.

We have a methodical, short gain offense that has to move the chains a ton each possession.

But we can create explosives, as others have mentioned by getting Tutu and others with speed involved. Both down the field and also on end arounds and screens.

I would like to see more boots and play action by Stafford that gets our speed guys downfield.

The draft should probably target WR and TE with speed.

But ball control offense we have might serve us well in the playoffs if a few big plays are worked in.

 

[RamBradford85]

I think the oline has been a problem with pass pro so Stafford is basically making a pre-snap read and going with it. Doesnt have the time to look down the route tree.
And basically when all else fails, throw it to Puka
I keep hearing posters say Kupp isnt getting separation, but no film to prove it

What I will say this kupp has gotten more passes defended isn’t that proof he’s not getting much separation?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

What I will say this kupp has gotten more passes defended isn’t that proof he’s not getting much separation?

McVay claims Kupps recent lack of production is circumstantial.

Unless he’s playing injured, that may be true. I don’t ever recall a player dropping off a cliff so quickly, during the season.