What if? (Taking another look at the Goff, Gurley and Cooks extensions)

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AvengerRam

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The Rams have received criticism for providing early contract extensions to players who, for various reasons, are no longer on the team. From a dead money standpoint, it is not difficult to understand these critiques. That said, there is a more than a bit of hindsight at work here.

I’m going to look at the early extensions for three of these players - Jared Goff, Todd Gurley and Brandin Cooks - from a “what if?” standpoint and postulate what would have happened if we had waited until their contracts expired.

Jared Goff
Goff’s rookie deal, which would have expired this offseason, was extended in September 2019. What if, instead, the Rams simply picked up the 5th year option (which they undoubtedly would have done) and let him play out the 2020 season?

Presumably, we still would have entered the 2021 offseason with a desire to move on from Goff. The difference would have been that Goff would have been a UFA and, consequently, would not have been a trade asset. I think its safe to say that we still would have made the Jalen Ramsey trade, so we would not have a 2021 first round pick to offer. Given this, I think its likely we still would have made a run at Matthew Stafford. To get him, we’d still have to beat out the other suitors. Would our 2022 and 2023 first round picks have been enough? Perhaps, but perhaps not. Without Goff in the mix, Detroit would have needed to consider its own QB situation. That would have made offers for 2021 early first round picks (i.e. Carolina’s offer of the 8th pick) tempting. We likely would have needed to add more – perhaps this year’s second round pick.

So, in the end, we would have had less dead cap money, but possibly the same QB (Stafford) and fewer draft picks.

Todd Gurley
Gurley’s rookie deal, which would have expired in the 2020 offseason, was extended in July 2018. What if, instead, the Rams picked up Gurley’s option, and let him play out his contract?

Presumably, Gurley would have still had his strong 2018 campaign (with its oddly poor ending in the playoffs), so we would have retained him in 2019. At the end of the 2019 season, we presumably would have simply declined to re-sign him, given the concerns about his knee and his declining production.

We still would have drafted Darrell Henderson and Cam Akers, so our RB situation would be the same today. The only difference is dead money.

Brandin Cooks
Cooks’ contract, set to expire in 2019, was extended in July 2018. What if we had waited?

Cooks would have given us the same strong 2018 season, and then been a UFA. At that point, we certainly would have wished to re-sign him but, given his option of testing the market at that point, he may have cost more. Assume we paid that price, and he then had the 2019 down year.

Perhaps we try to make that same trade (to the Texans for a 2nd round pick), but would Cooks’ contract have been too rich for that deal, forcing us to take less (maybe a 3rd round pick)? If you assume the same trade, then we’re right back where we are now: no Cooks, a 2nd round pick (used on Van Jefferson), and dead money.

So, in the end, things probably would not have turned out much differently from a personnel standpoint. From a cap room standpoint, we would have had less dead cap from the Goff and Gurley departures, but the same or, perhaps, a bit more, from the Cooks departure. We also may have ended up with less total draft capital, having to invest even more picks for Stafford, and getting less for Cooks.

My overall impression is the criticism of the early deals is not entirely unwarranted, but certainly is overblown. The Rams have given early extensions to others (Woods, Kupp, Ramsey) that seem to be working out.

In the end, as long as we keep having winning seasons and making the playoffs, its hard to question the results. There may seem to be a bit of madness in the method, but there is method to the madness.
 

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I don't know about Cooks but Goff and Gurley I could see being potential holdouts that can easily ruin a season because of the drama it produces.

Taking great players to sign early stretches out the cap space easier for the future. Cooks with his concussion history could be done on any play. Arguably should maybe already retired. Goff and Gurley were at the top of their games. I don't know if any one of us really could foresee the following year or two.

Kind of got ugly unusually fast. Maybe just bad luck.
 

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You're looking at it in hindsight. Imagine if Goff and Gurley would have produced in their 5th year option. Then you're paying them even more money bc of Watson, Mahomes, and Bell all got record extensions, or letting them go bc you cant afford them now and look like an idiot for not signing them earlier.
 

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You're looking at it in hindsight. Imagine if Goff and Gurley would have produced in their 5th year option. Then you're paying them even more money bc of Watson, Mahomes, and Bell all got record extensions, or letting them go bc you cant afford them now and look like an idiot for not signing them earlier.
Well, my point was that, even with the benefit of hindsight, those deals made sense. Certainly, if all three is players had been able to meet expectations, they would have been great deals.
 

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If we're being honest, the Goff deal never really made sense.

It was a blackjack bet at the casino - the signs were right there for McVay to see with the Lions, Bears, Eagles and Patriots games in 2018. There was just no reason to sign him yet. None whatsoever:

1. Worse case scenario is that Goff tears it up and we have to fork over a few extra million in guarantees
2. He wasn't going anywhere and he wasn't going to hold out - we even could have picked up his fifth year option and then franchised him this year to try to trade him, or signed him to an extension prior to his fifth year

It was a bet by McVay that Jared would keep improving, made worse by allowing a borderline elite guard go in free agency.



The Cooks and Gurley deals, to me, were more about taking care of guys. For Cooks, we just acquired him via trade and it's obvious that they planned to keep doing that. I'm sure when we traded for Ramsey, someone brought up to him that we (over)paid Cooks right after trading for him - maybe even before the trade. Ramsey may have even told the Rams he wouldn't sign with us , thus negating the trade, if we hadn't handed that contract out to Cooks, not wanting to go somewhere only to have a contract dispute.

Gurley, I wouldn't have signed from a pure football standpoint - IMO RBs just aren't worth it these days. With CMC being hurt last year and Zeke having a down year, I think the top 5-10 RBs were all day 2/3 draft picks. But ultimately I was fine with paying him because of what he did for us in those two years. I don't, and will never, understand why he'd be anything but grateful to the Rams - he's clearly done getting significant contracts and if not for us paying him early, he'd be missing $30 million right now.
 

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The Cooks deal was necessitated by trading a first round pick for a guy on his 5th year option. If you don't sign him, you've just trade away a 1st rounder for a one year rental, which isn't very smart.

I think the Gurley extension is the least defensible of the ones above. He still had two years to go AND he had a medical history with his knee prior to coming to the Rams. The prior knee injury should have made them cautious.
 

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The Cooks deal was necessitated by trading a first round pick for a guy on his 5th year option. If you don't sign him, you've just trade away a 1st rounder for a one year rental, which isn't very smart.

I think the Gurley extension is the least defensible of the ones above. He still had two years to go AND he had a medical history with his knee prior to coming to the Rams. The prior knee injury should have made them cautious.
Agree across the board.
With Cooks deal, they had to sign him to extension. They had just spent a 2nd rounder on Sammy Watkins who left after 1 year. They werent going to let that happen again. And he paid off.
Goff got the team to the SB with no help from Gurley in the NFC Champ game. With QB's its become either sign them early, or wait too long and end up with the franchise QB nonsense
Gurley, I want to defend it, but even being one of his biggest fans, it didnt make much sense...

That’s deep, Ogre.

And your point is...
See above..
Good topic!
 

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Well we made Aaron Donald wait.

If the Rams decided they weren't going to extend Gurley or Goff, they didn't have to let them play out their deals. Could've traded either with a year left on them and maybe gotten a 1st back; for both of them.

Trading away firsts so you can bring in a QB like Matt Stafford is one thing; trading away a first so someone will take on your ill-advised contract is what I don't care for.
 

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These posts about spending Kronke’s money crack me up.

And I think McVay was probably at least in the discussion about them but he is not the one writing these contracts.
 

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Well we made Aaron Donald wait.

If the Rams decided they weren't going to extend Gurley or Goff, they didn't have to let them play out their deals. Could've traded either with a year left on them and maybe gotten a 1st back; for both of them.

Trading away firsts so you can bring in a QB like Matt Stafford is one thing; trading away a first so someone will take on your ill-advised contract is what I don't care for.

However it’s played out . Here we are!
I do agree with waiting for TG30 & Goff Not for the money,but the salary cap. RT Havenstien got paid well & the hope is he has good value still ? Tyler Higbee is another Home Grown. He ends up being an excellent signing & in 2021 he should really standout.