What I think is gonna happen

[Mojo Ram]

God love ya, man.

I was super disappointed when I finally put it together. (Not because it's Goff)

I'll just slip into a more pollyanna-ish cheering mode once OTAs begin and I can just root for the team to be as good as it can be...

I have to admit, when the trade up was first announced i was uber-pumped because i liked both prospects quite a bit....but as each day draws us closer and closer to decision time i find myself getting more and more attached to drafting Wentz and being disappointed if it goes a different way. Not healthy i know, but i'm just being 100% honest.

I just look at this offense, Gurley, the OLine, the tempo and physicality of this Rams team from top to bottom, and then i look at how Wentz plays the game, and how much he's just a pure football player with a football mind and Damn, this our guy!

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[WestCoastRam]

Dammit, I feel like an Indian man waiting for his parents to pick his wife for the arraigned marriage... waiting to find out who my wife is... so I can fall in love with her.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I have to admit, when the trade up was first announced i was uber-pumped because i liked both prospects quite a bit....but as each day draws us closer and closer to decision time i find myself getting more and more attached to drafting Wentz and being disappointed if it goes a different way. Not healthy i know, but i'm just being 100% honest.

I just look at this offense, Gurley, the OLine, the tempo and physicality of this Rams team from top to bottom, and then i look at how Wentz plays the game, and how much he's just a pure football player with a football mind and Damn, this our guy!

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this is exactly how i feel. the more you see of and find out about wentz the more you like him. he seems like the natural fit for the rams.

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[Mackeyser]

Yep. Natural fit for this Rams team.

 

[jrry32]

Like this?

Sorry, man, I had to do it.

I hear what you're saying, tho. If I thought a more accurate QB would improve Cook, I would have advocated for the Rams keeping him.

I'm sure you can find videos of a Saints player doing the same thing.

It's not that a more accurate QB will improve Cook. Cook will be Cook. It's that a more accurate QB will make Cook's job easier which will make Cook look better. Getting the ball out a split second sooner can be the difference between an easy catch and having to make a catch with a defender draped on you...which is something Cook has never been good at it.

Well, that will be Goff being "The Answer" if he hits all those WRs, but it won't change all the other things I mentioned.

No one will ever confuse a Fisher offense with Asshole Face's.

The offensive scheme is a mess.

Seriously, how did we all forget that in just a few short months???

Because a scheme looks a lot messier when you have no QB. And it looks a lot cleaner when you have a great QB.

I'm not content with the Fisher offense but I also don't agree with the perspective that Goff can't succeed in it. If he can't succeed, I don't get how Wentz is going to succeed. Wentz being able to run isn't going to make wine out of water. He's not RGIII or Mike Vick. Nor do I want him to be.

I happen to think that our WRs/TEs will look a whole lot better with a QB who can throw the ball accurately and on time. Especially Britt and Austin. Britt will never be Calvin Johnson but he's a legitimate vertical threat. With better QB play the past couple years, I think he has at least one 1000 yard season. And we have no idea what Austin can or will be. His route running seemed to improve a lot last year but our QBs just couldn't get him the ball.

Will our WR/TE corps be great? No. But they don't have to be. We're run a first offense. We just need a guy at QB who can make the throws that are there and help us sustain drive. We don't need a lot out of our rookie passer.

 

[Faceplant]

I think I see the light @Mackeyser is shining and I agree that Goff will be the pick. Unlike Mack, I have no problem with the pick. I do agree that Fisher ball does not appear the best fit for his talents, but if @jrry32 is right, it won't matter. If he is able to get the ball out quickly and accurately in a modified WCO, then we could see some pretty exciting things from Tavon and co. I agree with Jrry that an accurate QB with a quick release can make a WR corp look a little better. So ready for this draft.....

 

[PARAM]

It just doesn't matter who they pick. Either is going to make the offense better. I wanted Wentz.....the similarities to McNair, the size, the character presence, etc.. But after watching more of Goff, he seems like he could be special. Wentz is going to extend plays, cause havoc for defenses. Goff is going to get the ball out quickly and accurately, cause havoc for defenses. Gurley is going to be Gurley and the primary target for defenses. And our defense is going to get points to play with and decent blows on the sideline. It just doesn't matter which one they pick.

 

[LesBaker]

If the Rams were trying to trade up to #1 AT the Combine...it couldn't be Wentz because Wentz didn't really start to shine UNTIL the Combine.

Nah, there are years of tape on the guy, they didn't need the combine to make up their minds.

 

[LesBaker]

It just doesn't matter who they pick. Either is going to make the offense better. I wanted Wentz.....the similarities to McNair, the size, the character presence, etc.. But after watching more of Goff, he seems like he could be special. Wentz is going to extend plays, cause havoc for defenses. Goff is going to get the ball out quickly and accurately, cause havoc for defenses. Gurley is going to be Gurley and the primary target for defenses. And our defense is going to get points to play with and decent blows on the sideline. It just doesn't matter which one they pick.

Goff extends plays too..........by moving in the pocket or peeling out of it and keeping his eyes down the field looking for somewhere to throw.

 

[Legatron4]

Just my .02 cents, but I think Wentz is definitely the better fit for what we want to do. His running style worries me a bit. I compare him to a more accurate Tim Tebow honestly. They run very similar except Tebow pretended to be a QB sometimes.

However, like mentioned many times, Goff is just a pure passer. The dude is laser accurate. Fisher has never drafted or found a guy in FA that can really run the football at QB. Keenum has been the best runner so far and he just has decent straight line speed.

So, why would anyone think Snisher would completely change their direction? They clearly want a pocket passer that can find guys down field. Not saying Wentz can't do that, but Goff is just better at it.

Again, JMO.

 

[dieterbrock]

I hate to spoil it but I am 100% sure that they are taking Wentz

Or Goff...

 

[Mackeyser]

Just my .02 cents, but I think Wentz is definitely the better fit for what we want to do. His running style worries me a bit. I compare him to a more accurate Tim Tebow honestly. They run very similar except Tebow pretended to be a QB sometimes.

However, like mentioned many times, Goff is just a pure passer. The dude is laser accurate. Fisher has never drafted or found a guy in FA that can really run the football at QB. Keenum has been the best runner so far and he just has decent straight line speed.

So, why would anyone think Snisher would completely change their direction? They clearly want a pocket passer that can find guys down field. Not saying Wentz can't do that, but Goff is just better at it.

Again, JMO.

Huh???

He nearly won Super Bowl 34 against the Rams with Steve NcNair who was definitely a "scrambling" QB if not a running QB.

Fisher's best success as a HC came with a QB that could create.

 

[Bisonbacker]

When this all started this was the breakdown.

The Browns reportedly wanted Wentz at #2 and the Titans had the #1 pick.
The Jets were interested in trading to #1 (I assume to move ahead of the Browns for Wentz). Then the Trade for the #1 pick happened.
The Browns are now said to be shopping #2 pick because their guy presumably wouldn't be there any longer at the #2 pick.
The Jets (earlier this week) - realizing their offer fell short w/Titans and knowing that another team (Los Angeles) was moving to #1, they decide to bring in Goff to see whether moving up is still viable/worth it.

I see a lot written about who is the Rams target….
I view it this way - unless this is all an elaborate smoke screen, Wentz will be the #1 pick.

 

[Legatron4]

Huh???

He nearly won Super Bowl 34 against the Rams with Steve NcNair who was definitely a "scrambling" QB if not a running QB.

Fisher's best success as a HC came with a QB that could create.

What has given you any indication that he's still on that same philosophy? We haven't had a scrambling or elusive QB in his entire tenure. He would have taken RG3 if that's what he still wanted. Instead he stuck with a pocket QB in Bradford.

 

[Mackeyser]

I'm sure you can find videos of a Saints player doing the same thing.

It's not that a more accurate QB will improve Cook. Cook will be Cook. It's that a more accurate QB will make Cook's job easier which will make Cook look better. Getting the ball out a split second sooner can be the difference between an easy catch and having to make a catch with a defender draped on you...which is something Cook has never been good at it.



Because a scheme looks a lot messier when you have no QB. And it looks a lot cleaner when you have a great QB.

I'm not content with the Fisher offense but I also don't agree with the perspective that Goff can't succeed in it. If he can't succeed, I don't get how Wentz is going to succeed. Wentz being able to run isn't going to make wine out of water. He's not RGIII or Mike Vick. Nor do I want him to be.

I happen to think that our WRs/TEs will look a whole lot better with a QB who can throw the ball accurately and on time. Especially Britt and Austin. Britt will never be Calvin Johnson but he's a legitimate vertical threat. With better QB play the past couple years, I think he has at least one 1000 yard season. And we have no idea what Austin can or will be. His route running seemed to improve a lot last year but our QBs just couldn't get him the ball.

Will our WR/TE corps be great? No. But they don't have to be. We're run a first offense. We just need a guy at QB who can make the throws that are there and help us sustain drive. We don't need a lot out of our rookie passer.

It's exactly as I said. Schematically, this offense is a mess and we both know it. With Wentz, like NcMair before him, his ability to create when plays break down would in effect bail out the offense like McNair did for Fisher sooooo many times. McNair as a QB was like the difference between a singer and an entertainer. Some are both and some are just way more of one and not so much the other. Sammy Davis, Jr...love that cat, awesome entertainer. As a singer? Meh. That was McNair. He was a tremendous playmaker. He could create like nobodies business. As a pure passer? Meh. Thing is, Fisher's offenses have ALWAYS been this way. I went back and watched some Tennessee video and...there it was. Without Eddie George being an All-World back and Steve McNair being the consummate playmaker, Fisher woulda been done like Mike Singletary. Fisher had Kerry Collins at QB at one point, a solid if unspectacular pocket passer. Guy would have gone first in the draft if not for some draft haggling. He went 13-3 in 2008 with the journeyman pro-bowler, then went 0-6 and replaced him. He's just never sustained success with a pocket passer. And he's had 20+ years of coaching to look at so that's more than almost everyone else.

I think Goff can have modest success.

But think of this like: the Rams offense is a rough road. Goff is a McLaren and Wentz is a Land Rover. Now Land Rovers can do pretty well on smooth roads, though not nearly as well as a McLaren. However, if you live on or around rough roads and the roads haven't been fixed in 20 years and aren't going to be fixed... Do you want a Land Rover or a McLaren?

 

[Mackeyser]

Nah, there are years of tape on the guy, they didn't need the combine to make up their minds.

There was a year and a half compared to Goff's three years.

After GRob and Quick it's been experience all the way.

Wish it were otherwise, but it ain't.

There was enough to draft him, but take him number one? Trade up for him? Before his outstanding combine?

 

[Roman Snow]

Here's hoping that this Apple Dumpling Gang of a coaching staff can finally get this offense squared away, cuz frankly, it's been a frustrating mess for a very long time and it's not just a QB away

................ FISHER .................................... SNEAD

"Hey Les, @Mackeyser from ROD is onto us. We better get this QB thing right!"

:fuelfire:

illowfight:

 

[Mackeyser]

What has given you any indication that he's still on that same philosophy? We haven't had a scrambling or elusive QB in his entire tenure. He would have taken RG3 if that's what he still wanted. Instead he stuck with a pocket QB in Bradford.

Fisher has had one solid season, 2008, with a pocket QB and then went 0-6 to start the next season. He's never had sustained success with a pocket passer. That streak has continued here.

If Fisher can all of a sudden do something he's never done before in over 20 years of being a HC, then super. That's great for everyone. That said, count me as skeptical.

 

[Mackeyser]

................ FISHER .................................... SNEAD

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"Hey Les, @Mackeyser from ROD is onto us. We better get this QB thing right!"

:fuelfire:

illowfight:

LMAO!!! You made Fisher Don Knotts!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Legatron4]

Fisher has had one solid season, 2008, with a pocket QB and then went 0-6 to start the next season. He's never had sustained success with a pocket passer. That streak has continued here.

If Fisher can all of a sudden do something he's never done before in over 20 years of being a HC, then super. That's great for everyone. That said, count me as skeptical.

I'm just stating what the continuing strategy has been. If Fisher thinks he can succeed with a pocket QB, that's his choice. But I also said Wentz was a better fit. So I do agree with you. I just think Goff is the better passer.