What Eagles Fans Are Saying

[Prime Time]

At the risk of derailing this thread, what do you want him to say? And I say that in genuine curiosity not to be a jerk. I see three basic options.

1. Yes it's a problem, it's my fault, and we'll fix it.
2. Yes it's a problem, it's not my fault.
3. It's not a problem, what are you talking about?

I'd much rather the first than the others. Maybe there's more, but those are the three main categories of responses I see.

I think the issue with Martz and Fisher is they sounded dismissive of the problem and nothing ever changed. When I listen to McVay, he sounds sincere. I think we've seen him make changes and have relapses, as opposed to never seeing changes.

What is your take on that?

I'm suffering from MPTSD - MartzPostTraumaticStressDisorder. He continued to say "shoot we'll fix that" but he never did. I fear the same thing is happening with McVay. The run defense hasn't been fixed and forgetting about using Todd Gurley continues.

Maybe the right questions aren't being asked in the pressers?

(1) Why does the run defense continue to be so awful?
(2) Why is Mark Barron starting every game? Are there no alternatives?
(3) Why is Pharaoh Cooper running back kicks when he looks like a shadow of his former self?
(4) Is Todd Gurley physically hurting? Is that why you're not using him enough?
(5) Will you give the older guys in the O-line some rest after the Eagles game?

Sure the first two questions could be asked of Wade Phillips but McVay is the head coach and should know the answers.

We're blessed to have Sean McVay as head coach. He's polite and humble and all but I'd like to hear some straightforward answers to some of these questions.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I live in L.A. but I’m not going to this game. The tickets are too expensive, for one. And I really don’t want to be there in person if the Eagles get destroyed, which is the most likely outcome

Good idea. Stay home and tell tour friends.

…..big stadium though so there could be a group of fucktards there.

Nope. That guy already said he was staying home.

 

[Prime Time]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...hiladelphia-news-fantasy-rams-game-nick-foles

Carson Wentz Injury: Eagles quarterback might not play again in 2018
This season sure has been something.
By Brandon Lee Gowton

Eric Hartline-USA TODAY Sports

Philadelphia Eagles starting quarterback Carson Wentz might not play in the final three games of the 2018 NFL season, according to a report from NFL insider Ian Rapoport. At the very least, it sounds like he’ll miss this week’s game against the Los Angeles Rams.

Carson Wentz, dealing with a back issue, is not expected to play this week, sources say. Depending on the result, given the time of year, Wentz may not play again in 2018. The team is still gathering info on his health.

During his Wednesday press conference, Doug Pederson told reporters Wentz is going to miss Wednesday’s practice due to back soreness. When asked if he’d be OK to play this week, Pederson did not guarantee Wentz’s availability for Sunday’s game.

Wentz first appeared on the Eagles injury report with a back injury in Week 7. He was limited during the Wednesday practice that week before returning as a full participant on Thursday. The same exact scenario happened in Week 8. Wentz did not appear on the injury report after the Eagles’ Week 9 bye.

One can only wonder if the effects from Wentz’s ACL/LCL injury are responsible for impacting his back.


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Wentz is posting strong strong numbers despite the Eagles’ lack of team success this season. The third-year quarterback is completing 69.6% of his attempts for 3,074 yards (7.7 average), 21 touchdowns, seven interceptions, and a 102.2 passer rating.

The reality is the stats don’t tell the whole story. The eye test tells us that Wentz hasn’t quite been the same MVP-candidate player that he was in 2017. Perhaps Wentz’s struggles can be attributed to his back issues.

The Eagles are still mathematically alive in the NFC playoff picture but their odds aren’t favorable. FiveThirtyEight gives Philadelphia an 18% chance while Football Outsiders has them at 12.7%. With that in mind, it could be wise for the Eagles to play it safe with Wentz and focus on getting him healthy for 2019. Even if the Eagles do make the playoffs as a sixth seed, they’ll have to win three straight road games just to make it to the Super Bowl.

With Wentz potentially missing time, it’ll be reigning Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles who takes over at quarterback for the Eagles. Foles started two games earlier this season with Wentz missing time due to his ACL/LCL recovery. The Eagles went 1-1 in those games and Foles completed 65.9% of his attempts for 451 yards (paltry 5.5 average), one touchdown, one interception, and a 78.9 passer rating. Not great.

Foles taking over as starter means Nate Sudfeld will be his backup. It’d be preferable to get Sudfeld some playing time if/once the Eagles are officially eliminated, so maybe he plays against Washington in Week 17. (Revenge game!)
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I remember
What happened last time Nick Foles took over for Carson Wentz late in the regular season against the Rams
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Almost every position had someone on IR. And look, the red hot rams laid an egg in the playoffs and foles got the job done. Is it likely, no, but after last year i will believe anything is possible.
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I’m not going to root against Nick Foles to prove me wrong but we don’t even control our own destiny and even if we did, we’re playing the 2 seed of the NFC and the 3 seed of the AFC.
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I agree that it’s too late, and Foles is no savior, but I will say he’s more of a slinger than Wentz which may result in more big plays, particularly when thinking about guys like Agholor, Taint and Alshon. Foles just doesn’t give a damn… he’ll throw it down field whenever.
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Welp Wentz is on his way to becoming RG3 2.0
This is ridiculous. Could this season get any worse?
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Or maybe, just maybe, Pederson feels it’s no longer necessary to expose Wentz to elements that may prohibit his full recovery since we’re on the brink of playoff elimination?

It takes at least a year to recover from his injury, contrary to some fan takes, and other conditions can develop as a result of overcompensation as mentioned above. Most times when ppl have back problems, it’s the result of a foot or leg injury that occurred at an earlier time. Eagles wanna avoid this if they can.
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If this is the case then I honestly wish that we had waited to bring him back in the first place.
He might have played better if he had more time to heal. Now we have to hope he didn’t mess himself up.

Seems fitting that we finish the season with Foles though. Seriously though, what happens if/when Foles leads us to 3 in a row and we sneak into the wild card and wreak all kinds of havoc in the playoffs?
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And I’ll bet they still won’t stfu when he gets eaten by Aaron Donald and we lose by 20.
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You think they'll be within 20?
That’s optimistic
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That is with the +14 vegas will be giving us now.
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Nick Foles won the Superbowl against the Patriots, seeing Carsons "clutch" moments, or lack there off, I have no confidence he would have played as well as Nick did.
Thank God Nick was under center that night.
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If we beat the Rams with Foles...
The Foles haters would still find a way to shit on the SB MVP. Eagles better find a way to restructure Foles contract before they overpay for Wentz. We need to play the wait and see approach that the Redskins implemented with Cousins before crippling this team with a mega contract. Wentz has yet to prove himself before the Eagles toss him a blank check.
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Wentz people are going hate the Rams game if the Eagles win.
They’re going to say that Pederson/Groh put Foles in a better situation and that Schwartz finally got his shit together.
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I'm calling out a reality that you're going to see here on BGN and hear on Philly sports radio if we beat the Rams.
You’re problem is that your undying love for Wentz doesn’t allow you to think objectively. So far I think Foles can do a better job than Wentz, but I don’t see either as our future. If Wentz continues to struggle next season the Eagles need to return to the drawing board.
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[OldSchool]

Philly fans consuming lots of those fermented horse turds.

 

[kurtfaulk]

We need to play the wait and see approach that the Redskins implemented with Cousins before crippling this team with a mega contract.

The skins are the last team you want your team to follow. They paid him the franchise price twice before letting him go. It would have been cheaper to sign him long term then let him go after two seasons. He was no sure thing so they could have easily left his guaranteed money low in a long term deal.

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[1maGoh]

The tough part for us as fans is that we only see the tip of the iceberg. Good leaders always publicly take the blame - always.

So of all the games that McVay has come out and said "it starts with me - I have to do a better job of not putting the offense in some really bad situations" - that may or may not actually be true. What we see is that the offense wasn't as effective as it had been - but we don't know why. As an example of this, lots of people on this site blamed the OL play - and it certainly looked like they didn't play well - but I read somewhere that Goff actually had more time to throw on average than he normally does.

This is the part where we have to have faith in McVay - because whatever the issue(s) was (were), I am willing to bet they're being addressed. And if the problem was Jared, I don't think Sean has any problem sitting him down and telling him that.

Guess my point is: when McVay says what he says, that doesn't actually mean very much - because when they review film, they're going to see where the issues were and address them accordingly. McVay is unique in his approach as an NFL head coach (at least I think - I don't watch other coaches media sessions) in that he always takes accountability right off the bat - this creates a culture where guys know it's okay to fail as long as you own it and get better from it. The part we as fans don't know is where the specific issues are - but I can guarantee that it's not always McVay's fault - that is just him being a good leader.

I would say that as a leader everything is his fault. If a player isn't performing well, as the head coach his job is to train him up, hire a coach to train him up, change the scheme to fit, or replace the player. If the scheme isn't working it's his job to change the scheme, train the players on the scheme, or get players that will make the scheme work.

Everything is his fault. That's not "good leadership" that's reality.

Saying that has become a thing people do because it's expected, but most don't mean it. Heck, if they don't have to answer to the media, my experience with most leaders is that they don't say this at all. Or in the Army they would start by saying it, then turn around and blame everyone else in the next sentence. It's cliche, but saying it at least is a step in the right direction and meaning it is rare.

 

[Prime Time]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...delphia-eagles-los-angeles-rams-science-stats

By Matt Harkenreader

Next up is the Rams, who are surely furious about their embarrassing 6-point performance against the Bears on Sunday night. What does that matchup look like for the Eagles? Find out by reading on below! Bold-faced statistics indicate that team has the advantage, while numbers in parenthesis are the league rank.

Game Preview: Los Angeles Rams

With the season effectively over, and the Rams being a team that is good at football, I will keep this short. There is only one clear path to victory on either side of the ball anyway.

Eagles Offense
When they have the ball, the Eagles need to play a game that anyone with older siblings was probably a victim of growing up: keep away. Even after the abysmal difference in possession in the Dallas game, the Eagles are still third in the league for TOP (31:32). The Rams, meanwhile, get chunk plays in bunches and as a result are only a middling 17th in the same metric.

Doug needs to assume the Rams are going to score when they have the ball and therefore limit their opportunities to possess it. On that note, they should build easy reads into the passing gameplan to mitigate the likelihood of an interception and stress ball security as a main topic during practice.

The Rams’ defense is also nowhere near as formidable as the Cowboys’, so I’d open the game run-heavy to try and establish the line of scrimmage, especially with outside runs that can move the ball away from Aaron Donald.

All in all, if the Eagles wind up with 2-3 more possessions than the Rams by the middle of the fourth, my guess is that they will be in a position to at least take the lead, if they’re not already winning. How likely that is to occur is another question altogether.

Eagles Defense
Jim Schwartz is trying valiantly to find some kind of scheme in the secondary that can get serviceable play out of the practice squad players he is forced to start, but after Amari Cooper’s dominating performance on Sunday I think he needs to cut his losses. And in a game like this that means selling out to stop Todd Gurley. The Rams’ star runningback might be the best offensive player in the league, but he only had 14 total touches against the Bears in a game where the Rams scored 6 points.

Granted, the Bears have the best defense in the league right now, but the Eagles do have the personnel to play the run if they choose to focus on it. I’d even consider putting an LB spy on Gurley since he is also a capable receiving threat out of the backfield.

Putting all of your chips in on stopping one player is certainly a risky move, but if the Eagles can limit Gurley’s damage on early downs and perhaps play just enough press to disrupt quick-timing routes (especially with Rasul’s inspired performance last weekend), they can force third-and-longs that let the defense pin their ears back.

I’ll admit the Rams are likely to convert these anyway, but it’s better than being in the dreaded third-and-short and giving Sean McVay full reign of his playbook.

 

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http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...nick-foles-could-lead-another-underdog-charge

History repeating? Nick Foles could lead another underdog charge
Tim McManus

Jayne Kamin-Oncea-USA TODAY Sports

PHILADELPHIA -- It was at the Los Angeles Coliseum where Nick Foles' incredible ride to becoming Super Bowl MVP began last December. As fate would have it, it's also where a second opportunity could very well present itself one year later.

"It's not lost on us, for sure. I don't believe in coincidences, really," said Eagles tight end Zach Ertz. "I wish Carson [Wentz] was out there each and every week. But at the same time, it is weird that it is in L.A. this week."

Wentz's status for Sunday's game at the Los Angeles Rams is in doubt due to a back issue. Foles has been told to get ready to play, according to reporting by ESPN's Adam Schefter.

One year ago this week, Wentz tore the ACL and LCL in his left knee in the third quarter against the Rams. Foles stepped in and helped the Eagles to a 43-35 win that clinched the NFC East title.

What happened next is legend in Philadelphia. Foles was up and down to finish the regular season but took off in the playoffs, completing 73 percent of his passes for six touchdowns and an interception to lead Philly to its first-ever Super Bowl title.

The team he is inheriting is much different this time around. The Eagles were 10-2 and cruising through the NFC when he stepped in last December. This group is 6-7 and on the outside looking in at the playoff picture. According to ESPN FPI, Philly has an 8.9 percent chance of making the postseason. A loss to the 11-2 Rams would shrink those chances further.

But the Eagles have defied the odds before under Foles. They were underdogs in each of their three playoff games last season and won them all. Improbably, Foles went blow for blow with the New England Patriots' Tom Bradyin Super Bowl LII, tossing three touchdowns and catching another en route to MVP honors.

Players in the locker room were chirping this week about the prospects of another improbable run. One predicted that history would repeat with Foles back at the helm.

Prior to the start of Wednesday's practice, Foles broke down the huddle at the request of some veterans.

"I saw Nick, a lot of guys saw Nick, and kind of called him out," Ertz said. "I just wanted everyone to know that everyone has full confidence in the guy. No one is asking him to do too much. We just want him to be himself. But at the same time, guys love playing for him. Guys love his personality. And I wanted him to know that everyone had his back."

Foles' performance on Sunday and beyond, if in fact Wentz can't go, can help shape his offseason market. He has the ability to essentially buy his way out of his deal and into free agency this offseason. In a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league, a strong performance could influence decision-makers looking for a starting quarterback.

The Eagles redid Foles' deal this offseason, structuring it in a way to reward him if in fact he was called on again. As Field Yates reported, he will make $250,000 for each game in which he plays one-third of the snaps on top of his $4 million base salary. In addition, Foles can earn an additional $250,000 for each game in which he plays at least 33 percent of the snaps and the team wins. Foles would earn $500,000 for each playoff game in which he plays at least 33 percent of the snaps.

Right guard Brandon Brooks reworked his contract in the offseason to help get Foles a new deal.

"Nick's a great guy, a great person; love playing with him on the field," Brooks said. "He deserved more money, man, so it's all good."

The Eagles' investment in Foles looks like it could pay off again. At a minimum, the locker room hasn't lost the faith as a result of the latest injury news to their star quarterback.

"We've seen what Nick can do," said defensive end Brandon Graham. "It's going to be interesting, if that's the case."

 

[T-REX]

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I remember
What happened last time Nick Foles took over for Carson Wentz late in the regular season against the Rams
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But if that were to happen the city of Philadelphia would have to consider erecting a bronze statue of Foles and put it next to the Rocky statue.

 

[Rmfnlt]

We're blessed to have Sean McVay as head coach. He's polite and humble and all but I'd like to hear some straightforward answers to some of these questions.

I'll take McVay every day over that liar, Fisher.

 

[Prime Time]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkL94URT62w

Nick foles is better than Carson wentz.
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How is 21 TDs and 7 picks bad?
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well he’s 6-7 and hasn’t beaten a team above .500 yet so yeah
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If you watched our games you would know the defense is the problem and not the quarterback.
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The Eagle defense been givin up 22.7 points per game. That’s barely above league average.
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Finally the eagles have a real qb starting this game. Foles will lead them to victory.
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a stadium overrun with eagles fans
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I am a eagles fan and Carson wentz is 1 of my favorite players but I think Carson Wentz is just wasn’t 100 percent so I think we’re at least gonna have like a better chance but the rams defense is just gonna be all over nick foles I can’t believe I am voting against my favorite team but I think the rams will win
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History is going to repeat itself again Nick Foles starting as quarterback they might win rest of the games in the season for the Eagles and then go to the Superbowl and win it in a miracle like win.
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Wentz isn’t playing so Foles is playing, but that doesn’t change the secondary on defense!
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WELL IF THE REFS HELP THE RAMS LIKE THEY DID THE COWBOYS THEN RAMS WIN EASILY
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Eagles win 28-23
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The rams are gonna get rocked. High scoring game tho FLY EAGLES FLY
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Rams win 37-27, but Eagles get revenge by injuring Jared Goff at the end of the third quarter.
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I am a eagles fan I hope that happens but what if the rams back up qb just goes nick foles during the playoffs and win the super bowl what would u do
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Nick Foles & Philadelphia Eagles will Win
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Eagles are a desperate team and are 6-7 so not terrible and lost a lot of close game. Rams at home will rebound but when this eagles team with no Carson wentz puts up a hell of a fight don’t be surprised.
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All eagles fan but Carson wtf!?!?! They better re sign foles this off season or find a project in the draft
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I'm gonna say the rams came off rusty last game Eagles-27 Rams-23
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Eagles 37 rams 14
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Eagles 30 Rams 27
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Eagles win 17-13

 

[RamBall]

Rams win 37-27, but Eagles get revenge by injuring Jared Goff at the end of the third quarter.

Does this guy not know that Wentz injured himself? It was a non contact injury, the only thing the Rams had to do with it is they were the opponent when it happened.

 

[Prime Time]

Does this guy not know that Wentz injured himself? It was a non contact injury, the only thing the Rams had to do with it is they were the opponent when it happened.

He did choose to run the ball into the end zone but I wouldn't call it a non-contact injury. It looks like he got hit in the knee by Mark Barron.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TQAP-uAN9I&t=18s

 

[OldSchool]

He did choose to run the ball into the end zone but I wouldn't call it a non-contact injury. It looks like he got hit in the knee by Mark Barron.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TQAP-uAN9I&t=18s

They think though he hurt it before that play.

 

[RamBall]

He did choose to run the ball into the end zone but I wouldn't call it a non-contact injury. It looks like he got hit in the knee by Mark Barron.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TQAP-uAN9I&t=18s

He was injured on the play before that. You could see it in his face when he stepped up to the LOS, he looked like he was in shock. I will try to find a clip, not sure if I have that game downloaded or not.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

I'm surprised they turned on Wentz like that. They're losing because they don't have a run game. Wentz is so much better than Foles.

 

[Prime Time]

I'm surprised they turned on Wentz like that. They're losing because they don't have a run game. Wentz is so much better than Foles.

It's understandable that some Eagles fan don't see clearly on "Wentz vs. Foles" since Foles led them to their first Super Bowl win ever. 28/43 for 373 yds with 3 td's and 1 int and a 106.1 QBR will do that.

Wentz is obviously a much better QB than Foles, but Wentz may turn out to be the Eagles version of Sam Bradford. If they're wise they will pay Foles big bucks to resign with them as a backup just in case.

 

[1maGoh]

but Wentz may turn out to be the Eagles version of Sam Bradford.

I was just thinking this earlier tonight.

 

[jrry32]

We're blessed to have Sean McVay as head coach. He's polite and humble and all but I'd like to hear some straightforward answers to some of these questions.

Well, we won't get them. That's just reality. Our run defense sucks because our personnel is lacking. Barron is starting likely because he's the best player (as much as that pains me to say). Our run defense might improve if we subbed in a different ILB for Barron, but that would likely harm our pass defense.

 

[RamsOfCastamere]

It's understandable that some Eagles fan don't see clearly on "Wentz vs. Foles" since Foles led them to their first Super Bowl win ever. 28/43 for 373 yds with 3 td's and 1 int and a 106.1 QBR will do that.

Wentz is obviously a much better QB than Foles, but Wentz may turn out to be the Eagles version of Sam Bradford. If they're wise they will pay Foles big bucks to resign with them as a backup just in case.

In terms of injuries, yes, but Bradford is captain checkdown and never had an MVP caliber of a season.