Weddle and his loyalty
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It's definitely Goff's fault. We should trade him to another team so we can watch his career rebound like Warner's did in AZ.
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Looked like Weddle still played for the Ravens on the first 2 TDs. IMO, it was his mistakes that allowed the first 2 TDs.
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Yep Goff is definitely like Kurt a Warner!
Well you sure would love to run him out of town the way they ran Warner out of town, so he might be just that if you got your way. But hey, you can always draft a Russell Wilson in the 3rd round, right? I mean those guys practically grow on trees!
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Maybe in your head he’s like Warner, but in reality and 95% of NFL fans that isn’t accurate. Comparing Jared to a HOF QB?
Guess that’s why the short version of fanatic is fan. Believe anything to be a fanboy.
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Maybe in your head he’s like Warner, but in reality and 95% of NFL fans that isn’t accurate. Comparing Jared to a HOF QB?
Guess that’s why the short version of fanatic is fan. Believe anything to be a fanboy.
Who thought Warner was a HOF QB when he got ran out of St. Louis?
I don't know if Goff is a HOF QB. But I didn't know if Manning was after his shitty fourth season, nor did I know Warner was when guys like you ran him out of town when he hit a rough patch. How did that work out for the Rams, BTW? Care to elaborate?
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Pretty well actually. Warner was a bad QB until he got arguably the best WR duo in NFL history. And there were several years of mediocre QB play in there.
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Warner was an unknown when he came to the Rams. But he was far from finished when the Rams stupidly tossed him into the scrap heap. He ends up with one of our division rivals, beats the Rams a number of times, and takes a downtrodden franchise like the Cardinals to within inches of a Super Bowl championship.
Yeah, sure was great that we dumped him when we did, fucking brilliant move there.
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You're completely forgetting about 2004, 2005 and 2006 when he wasn't even a starting caliber QB. And you're ignoring Boldin and Fitzgerald. I love Torry and Ike, but these two were better, especially during this time period. Also, Martz was busy running our defense into the ground, so it's not like the we would have won anything with him even if he had stayed at an elite level, which he was far from.
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Me in particular and when Martz and the gang wrongly ran him out it was the wrong decision. I still believed that, even as good as Bulger was for years. Goff is no Warner.
Jared won 2 NFL MVP's already?
Seriously? Peyton Manning’s fourth year? He was 62.7 accuracy, 4131 yards, 26 to 23 INT’s??
This is starting to become embarrassing reading your posts.
For the sake of argument your right, ESPN would gladly love such an unbiased person to join their team.
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And yet, he still rebounded. Spectacularly rebounded. Because he got to a situation where he had a decent supporting cast. Imagine that.
And Martz wasn't just busy running our defense into the ground. He ran the whole team into the ground, and was well on his way to doing so when he dumped Warner. After the NFL caught up with him, he refused to adjust his offense, and time and time again put Warner in 7-step dropbacks with long developing patterns while teams would throw seven or eight pass rushers at the QB and kill him. In contrast, he'd max protect for Bulger, at least at the beginning and have him restrained to safer throws, but you saw how much confidence he truly had in Bulger when it came to crunch time (the playoff loss to Carolina).
Warner meandered around for a few years on teams without a good supporting cast, although he actually the Giants over .500 in 2004 before he got benched for Eli, much to the chagrin of his Giants teammates, who watched the team drop six in a row after Eli took over. When he got his chance in Arizona, with the same supporting cast Matt Leinart couldn't win with, he made the most of it and the rest was history.
The obvious point here is that Warner was far from done, he just needed a supporting cast and a coach who adjusted his offense in the face of the league catching up with it. Instead, the Rams stupidly dumped him, ended up with a so-so-QB in Bulger for a few year, and began a period of 12 straight non-winning seasons. We gave up on him too early, and Warner took the blame for problems that were beyond his control and weren't his to solve.
But it's always easier to just blame the QB, isn't it?
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And yet here you are, utterly failing to learn from that history, wanting to run another QB who has had some success out of town because he's had a down season, never mind the fact that the team around him has also had a down season (especially the all-important OL) and the coach's offense has been figured out by the league. But instead of looking at the situation in totality, you want to focus all your ire on the QB.
If the Rams finished 6-10 and Goff threw 23 picks in the season, even with the other stats, you'd still be here wanting to run him out of town.
I'm not the guy who said we should trade Goff to Denver or Miami and then draft a Russell Wilson type to replace him as your plan on moving forward. You are.
The fact that you're not embarrassed by that says a lot.
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But if it's always the supporting cast, how can you even judge a QB? IMO we have to use common sense. I don't always blame the QB, but I personally wasn't sold on Goff last year and kind of saw this coming - I hate that, and I'm rooting for him every week - but it's easy for me to see his issues versus having pressure and/or WRs not getting open.
Great example: we all love Cooper Kupp. But that 2nd INT was 100% on him. And he actually has around one bad drop every week.
Does Kupp hurt or help Goff? Goff was bad in the Minnesota game two years ago - but Kupp had a crucial drop and a fumble at one yard line that would have made that a completely different game.
The OL hasn't been great - but it hasn't been as bad as people make it out to be. We're among the league leaders in sacks allowed, and that's with Goff throwing a lot AND holding onto the ball too much.
Going back to Warner/Bulger. In 2002 Bulger had us rolling. We put Warner in, and it went to hell. In 2003, he started terribly at the Giants. Bulger came in and we went 12-4. This was such an easy decision - people only second guess it because Warner eventually had some success in Arizona. But there's almost no way that success happens with the Rams. Different circumstances.
I don't always blame the QB - but it's clear that Goff needs near-perfect circumstances to be successful right now. And no, not every QB does - just take a look at Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Brady, etc. The latter two have dealt with terrible OL their entire careers. Brady's WR group is mostly nobodies.
And yes, after paying Goff, these are the guys he should be compared to. That's the problem.
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a running game and protection are the key to any pocket passers success. No excuses for Goff he has been bad even with time but it is very fixable. Don't forget it is the D that got scorched. The team is a mess right now and strong leadership is needed. I know where it should come from but not sure if and where it actually will come from
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First of all, comparing him to Watson or Wilson is a non-starter. Goff doesn't have their mobility and never will, and that was known going in. And as for Watson, despite his mobility, he hasn't accomplished what Goff has at this point in his career. How many playoff wins? How many game tying and game winning drives in conference championships?
Wilson is admittedly great, but he has his down moments too. Seattle struggled for a few years. In McVay's first year, we went into their house and absolutely shellacked them, and Wilson was gawd-awful in that game. His performance has improved the last two seasons ... not coincidentally, so has his supporting cast.
Expecting Goff to be Brady at this point of his career is foolhardy. And while Brady hasn't always had great OL play in front of him, he hasn't had play as bad as we've seen this year either. No, he hasn't had terrible OL play in front of him his whole career, it's mostly been at least adequate, which you cannot say the same about the Rams OL this year, which has persistently been one of the worst units in the league.
As for your question on "if it's always supporting cast" it's pretty simple - some guys can't even do it when they have that. Recall that Warner took over for Matt Leinart in AZ, who wallowed in mediocrity. Warner took over, with the same supporting cast, took AZ to the playoffs three years running and to the Super Bowl once. Leinart could have never done that, and we know for sure because he had the chance with the same supporting cast as Warner.
Similarly we have seen what Goff has been able to accomplish when he has solid blocking in front of him and a decent running game to support him. He has neither of those things this year, and has a coach who, while I like him a lot, has had his offense figured out by the rest of the league. Maybe we should concentrate on fixing those things first before this franchise throws yet another promising QB under the bus.
If those things get fixed and Goff still plays like this year, I'll be right there with you in calling for a replacement. But this season, his offensive line has failed him miserably and the running game has taken a big step backwards, and thus I'm not going to target him as the primary culprit for this season's struggles.
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let's look at the cards record with this best wr duo in nfl history before kurt got there and then wisenhunt got there with an offense that suited kurt down to a t.
4-12 boldin rookie year oroy
6-10
5-11 kurt arrived but denny green offense
5-11 leinart takes over after 4 games
8-8 wisenhunt arrived but forced to use leinart for first half of season
9-7 superbowl
10-6 knocked out in division round - kurt retires at end of season
seems like they needed a good qb to get the best out of them.
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