Cjcinec
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Weddle could have told the Rams he was retiring before the game tonight. That might have helped.
I blame Goff. Or Kroenke.
This bothers me. This bothers me greatly. The tiniest piece of intel could be the difference in a playoff spot.
Yep Goff is definitely like Kurt a Warner!It's definitely Goff's fault. We should trade him to another team so we can watch his career rebound like Warner's did in AZ.
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Maybe in your head he’s like Warner, but in reality and 95% of NFL fans that isn’t accurate. Comparing Jared to a HOF QB?Well you sure would love to run him out of town the way they ran Warner out of town, so he might be just that if you got your way. But hey, you can always draft a Russell Wilson in the 3rd round, right? I mean those guys practically grow on trees!
Maybe in your head he’s like Warner, but in reality and 95% of NFL fans that isn’t accurate. Comparing Jared to a HOF QB?
Guess that’s why the short version of fanatic is fan. Believe anything to be a fanboy.
Who thought Warner was a HOF QB when he got ran out of St. Louis?
I don't know if Goff is a HOF QB. But I didn't know if Manning was after his shitty fourth season, nor did I know Warner was when guys like you ran him out of town when he hit a rough patch. How did that work out for the Rams, BTW? Care to elaborate?
Pretty well actually. Warner was a bad QB until he got arguably the best WR duo in NFL history. And there were several years of mediocre QB play in there.
Warner was an unknown when he came to the Rams. But he was far from finished when the Rams stupidly tossed him into the scrap heap. He ends up with one of our division rivals, beats the Rams a number of times, and takes a downtrodden franchise like the Cardinals to within inches of a Super Bowl championship.
Yeah, sure was great that we dumped him when we did, fucking brilliant move there.
Who thought Warner was a HOF QB when he got ran out of St. Louis?
I don't know if Goff is a HOF QB. But I didn't know if Manning was after his shitty fourth season, nor did I know Warner was when guys like you ran him out of town when he hit a rough patch. How did that work out for the Rams, BTW? Care to elaborate?
You're completely forgetting about 2004, 2005 and 2006 when he wasn't even a starting caliber QB. And you're ignoring Boldin and Fitzgerald. I love Torry and Ike, but these two were better, especially during this time period. Also, Martz was busy running our defense into the ground, so it's not like the we would have won anything with him even if he had stayed at an elite level, which he was far from.
Me in particular and when Martz and the gang wrongly ran him out it was the wrong decision. I still believed that, even as good as Bulger was for years. Goff is no Warner.
Seriously? Peyton Manning’s fourth year? He was 62.7 accuracy, 4131 yards, 26 to 23 INT’s??
This is starting to become embarrassing reading your posts.
And yet, he still rebounded. Spectacularly rebounded. Because he got to a situation where he had a decent supporting cast. Imagine that.
And Martz wasn't just busy running our defense into the ground. He ran the whole team into the ground, and was well on his way to doing so when he dumped Warner. After the NFL caught up with him, he refused to adjust his offense, and time and time again put Warner in 7-step dropbacks with long developing patterns while teams would throw seven or eight pass rushers at the QB and kill him. In contrast, he'd max protect for Bulger, at least at the beginning and have him restrained to safer throws, but you saw how much confidence he truly had in Bulger when it came to crunch time (the playoff loss to Carolina).
Warner meandered around for a few years on teams without a good supporting cast, although he actually the Giants over .500 in 2004 before he got benched for Eli, much to the chagrin of his Giants teammates, who watched the team drop six in a row after Eli took over. When he got his chance in Arizona, with the same supporting cast Matt Leinart couldn't win with, he made the most of it and the rest was history.
The obvious point here is that Warner was far from done, he just needed a supporting cast and a coach who adjusted his offense in the face of the league catching up with it. Instead, the Rams stupidly dumped him, ended up with a so-so-QB in Bulger for a few year, and began a period of 12 straight non-winning seasons. We gave up on him too early, and Warner took the blame for problems that were beyond his control and weren't his to solve.
But it's always easier to just blame the QB, isn't it?
I don't always blame the QB - but it's clear that Goff needs near-perfect circumstances to be successful right now. And no, not every QB does - just take a look at Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Brady, etc. The latter two have dealt with terrible OL their entire careers. Brady's WR group is mostly nobodies.
Pretty well actually. Warner was a bad QB until he got arguably the best WR duo in NFL history. And there were several years of mediocre QB play in there.