Van Noy says no wrinkles

[snackdaddy]

I think McVay was going the old Lombardi approach. Back in the day everybody knew the Green Bay sweep was coming, but GB had the better players and they executed it so well, you just couldn’t stop it. There were games with Dickerson where everybody on the planet knew he was getting the ball, but he couldn’t be stopped.

I think McVay thought he had the better players, and if they executed well, they couldn’t be stopped.

This probably the most accurate description. Every play works when executed properly. You execute more often when your player is beats the other guy. Its the old cliché about Jim's and Joe's over X's and O's.

 

[Sleepy1711]

Of course it wasnt new to them. They have been watching our practices for weeks.ball:

 

[Legatron4]

Just rewatched the game for the first time. McVay lost that game for us along with the Oline. So many 3rd and shorts we had long developing pass plays. But if our Oline could block one more second we had tons of open receivers running around. Goff actually played well under the circumstances. That INT was a prayer but it was fucking 2nd down. Why not run it? Or a screen? Or literally anything else? I still believe we were the best team this year. But the best team doesn’t always win.

 

[Sleepy1711]

Van noy is dumb, if cooks didnt drop 2 TDs, then we wouldn't have this discussion right now. Everyone said goff played like crap, I looked at Brady and he didnt do shit. Did he have two td dropped?

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Van noy is dumb, if cooks didnt drop 2 TDs, then we wouldn't have this discussion right now. Everyone said goff played like crap, I looked at Brady and he didnt do crap. Did he have two td dropped?

I don't think either of those Cooks passes were "dropped". He also made a couple of REALLY good catches in this game that other receivers would not have. Could he have made them? Yes. But SHOULD he have, nah. Would have been REALLY been nice though...

I've rewatched, and agonized, over every single offensive play in this game at least 5 times. Lost count. I am firmly convinced that it is Goff that needs to improve. Bellicheat rightly assumed that with pressure, he will not play well. He didn't play well. There were open receivers on every play where he gets sacked or throws the ball away. He was actually VERY lucky to not throw 2 pick-sixes in this game.

With that in mind, McVay should have had a few wrinkles up his sleeves. True. Especially multiple 3rd and shorts where the Pats had the exact right defense called because they knew he would play-action and they knew the routes Goff likes to target. What happened to the plays early in the season (and last), where we throw to the RB we faked to on PA? This would have been golden in this game, and a couple of those in a game this close would have given us the Lombardi.

 

[RAMbunctious]

Mcvay clearly went with what worked for us all year and I don't fully blame him.

There is a risk with running a bunch of new plays, namely the execution might not be as crisp, which could result in a breakdown in blocking or running the right route. One play is often the difference in NFL games.

I really think there was some common sense in doing what your players have done all year that worked.

Problem is Belichick teams are excellent at knowing what you like to do and how to take it away.

On many of the play actions when Goff turned around to locate his target the Patriots had the play smothered. At other times they called the perfect two linebacker A Gap blitz and our Olineman could not block it up.

I wouldn't want any other Coach then Mcvay. He will adjust next time around and we will win some Super Bowls. We are the best young powerful Franchise in sports with Mcvay and Goff poised to have two decades worth of Super Bowl appearances.

Then where were the jet sweeps to Cooks and Woods? How about some more screens to slow down the pas rush? They worked like magic all year yet they were non-existent in this game.

Funny thing is during the Bears and Eagles games I was calling for some of those sweeps and screens and McVay again didn't call them. Look how those turned out.

So I can look at 3 of the 4 Rams losses from this year and the game plan in those 3 were eerily similar.

Not sure if McVay tensed up in those big games and forgot some of the better plays in his book or what, but those 3 games reminded me terribly of one another from an offensive play calling perspective.

 

[Flint]

Just rewatched the game for the first time. McVay lost that game for us along with the Oline. So many 3rd and shorts we had long developing pass plays. But if our Oline could block one more second we had tons of open receivers running around. Goff actually played well under the circumstances. That INT was a prayer but it was freaking 2nd down. Why not run it? Or a screen? Or literally anything else? I still believe we were the best team this year. But the best team doesn’t always win.

I haven’t rewatched it but I remember on 3rd downs saying just run it or, like you said, screen it, but it seemed like McVay was trying to outfox Belichick, but the Pats were playing the run on the way to the qb so by the time Goff finished his fake they were coming. Maybe McVay saw guys coming open and figured if Blythe can at least slow the guy down we’re in business, well that didn’t happen and Hekker got a workout.

 

[LesBaker]

Like I said before, I feel like this was a vanity game and McVay lost it on his own. The Rams defense was stellar despite being on the field for a long time thanks to the offense. It was a game that HAD to be horrible on offense to lose, and it was exactly that. That goes directly back to the guy that is in charge of the offense.

If you were playing against what amounts to perhaps the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game why would you not draw up some new plays?

Why wouldn't you call some draws and screens to slow down the pass rush?

Why wouldn't you keep a RB in to help the OL?

Why wouldn't you make adjustments when you were caught on tape saying "it the Bears defense"?

These questions and others have come up late in the season as McVay has called a couple of games in disastrous fashion. He just got his ass handed to him on the biggest stage in his profession. If it weren't for a long distance FG the Rams would have been shut out.

It's up to McVay to find the lessons in losses, that's part of his job. So far he hasn't seemed to adapt. This is why several people have mentioned that he may be like Martz. We know that the Rams aren't going to win every game but losing when you should have won really stings.

Let me be straight about something. I like McVay and I think he is an innovative play designer. He can change some of his thinking and approach and habits and I believe we all agree he needs to do just that.

 

[Flint]

Like I said before, I feel like this was a vanity game and McVay lost it on his own. The Rams defense was stellar despite being on the field for a long time thanks to the offense. It was a game that HAD to be horrible on offense to lose, and it was exactly that. That goes directly back to the guy that is in charge of the offense.

If you were playing against what amounts to perhaps the greatest defensive mind in the history of the game why would you not draw up some new plays?

Why wouldn't you call some draws and screens to slow down the pass rush?

Why wouldn't you keep a RB in to help the OL?

Why wouldn't you make adjustments when you were caught on tape saying "it the Bears defense"?

These questions and others have come up late in the season as McVay has called a couple of games in disastrous fashion. He just got his ass handed to him on the biggest stage in his profession. If it weren't for a long distance FG the Rams would have been shut out.

It's up to McVay to find the lessons in losses, that's part of his job. So far he hasn't seemed to adapt. This is why several people have mentioned that he may be like Martz. We know that the Rams aren't going to win every game but losing when you should have won really stings.

Let me be straight about something. I like McVay and I think he is an innovative play designer. He can change some of his thinking and approach and habits and I believe we all agree he needs to do just that.

McVay is creative and innovative and all that stuff people say about him, but is he a good play caller? I know he’s still young and who can complain about 25 wins in 2 years, BUT you can’t ignore what’s happened in the biggest games; I think we all thought they didn’t play their best against Atlanta last year and this year the Bears Eagles and Pats weren’t great showings either.
Nobody knows this offense like McVay but we’re all wondering if they would’ve run more 12 personnel could that have changed the game. If the Rams get a few more first downs the defense plays a few fewer snaps and maybe they hold up one more time. The difference between winning and losing is in the details and maybe it’s hard to see them when you’re the head coach and OC . This is where they’re victims of their own success, every year the staff has to reshuffle. We all say it doesn’t matter as long as McVay is here but maybe it does.

 

[VegasRam]

OMG!

We didn't go from 4-12 to SB Champs in two years?

WT effing F?

WE obviously need a new coach and a new QB.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Yes, but doesn't that work both ways ?

It could, but which team in the NFL has a known, proven track record for cheating?

 

[LesBaker]

Nobody knows this offense like McVay

Evidently Belichick did.

We all say it doesn’t matter as long as McVay is here but maybe it does.

He's a 33 year old, and got smashed, taught a lesson.

Let's see next year.

If he does the same stuff there is a problem.

 

[Legatron4]

Evidently Belichick did.



He's a 33 year old, and got smashed, taught a lesson.

Let's see next year.

If he does the same stuff there is a problem.

Sorry guys, but if we continue winning and going to Superbowls, McVay can stay for 30 years. How quickly we forget how badly we just wanted to be 8-8 a few years ago.

 

[LesBaker]

Sorry guys, but if we continue winning and going to Superbowls, McVay can stay for 30 years. How quickly we forget how badly we just wanted to be 8-8 a few years ago.

He isn't above criticism.

 

[Pancake]

McVay is probably more critical of himself than we are.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

The Bears showed everyone how to stop our O. Belichick was smart to emulate it. I'd guess McVay is already on it though. Having Kupp will help.

 

[blackbart]

There were no wrinkles and McVay went to his patterned losing formula, it has been the same in eery loss the last two year.

No surprise. The Pats played better, there were no adjustments and McVay got out-coached.

I don't like the Pats and love the Rams but they got schooled.

 

[CGI_Ram]

McVay is probably more critical of himself than we are.

This.

 

[LesBaker]

I don't think either of those Cooks passes were "dropped".

I'm so sick and tired of hearing this shit from fans and posters. This is a very good point you bring up.

On the one in the back of the end zone it was a poor pass and the defender made a great play.

On the other one he was interfered with. The video CLEARLY shows the defender holding his one arm down so he can't get to the ball with it.

The narrative that "he's gotta make those catches" or whatever is pure bullshit. The majority of the time even the best WR's don't make those catches.

 

[BriansRams]

I think you have to bring a new playbook just for the Pats. Painful lesson, but I have faith in Sean that he will more than make up for it over the long haul.

I appreciate your optimism sir. But when I think about your statement above my thoughts go to the following:

In the world of NFL Football, how easy is going to be (no matter how great of a coach you are) to "make up" for losing a VERY WINNABLE superbowl?

Teams (other than NE) do not get to the superbowl very often. Some teams have NEVER been there. We had an 18 year drought.

In my mind the ONLY way McVay can make up for the terrible offensive game plan during this past superbowl ... is to literally win 2 superbowls over the next 4 seasons, or win the superbowl next year. Other than that, we were there. We had it. 3-3 in the 4th quarter with our defense playing very well.

Damn.