Did you notice the "Coexist" bumper sticker?
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That's all fine and dandy but I don't believe interstellar travel will ever as he says be achieved thru speed alone.
If it is possible to move between stars, it would have to be thru different space/time planes of existence.
Wormholes? Warping space? etc?
He mentioned both as being science fiction fantasy. His argument is about the hard limits of physics, which I admit that I don't fully understand, but I do understand as a layman would. The biological problems with radiation and the need for increased mass to deal with it makes the need for more fuel necessary. Getting the craft up to speed (10 % of the speed of light) takes a huge amount of fuel ad it takes just as much to slow the craft down when reaching it's destination . Plus, going that fast ad hitting dust particles will slice through the ship like Swiss cheese. The solution is to add more mass ad more fuel to push that mass. The cost would be astronomical
I think many underestimate how unbelievably vast the universe is, and how unbelievably problematic it would be to overcome those unimaginable distances.
Even if a spacecraft were developed to go "anywhere near" the speed of light, that means travel time of hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Or more.
So then one can say with a wave of the hand, "oh, they're an advanced species. They'll figure it out. Wormholes or something. "
But the possibility exists that bridging these unimaginable distances is a problem that simply cannot be solved.
Kind of a bummer, and a frustrating and boring answer, but it is a definite possibility.
Here's some context for you. If the universe is 13.5 billion years old, if...
It would would take 13.5 billion years to travel from one end to another AT the speed of light
Personally I think its infinite but thats just my opinion
Right. But then again, at the speed of light, time essentially "stops" and becomes a meaningless concept.
So a photon would traverse the universe instantaneously, from its own POV.
13.5 billion years? Instantaneous? Same thing.
Reaches for a bong...
Even at the speed of light, we could only reach the star systems that are expanding in our direction like Andromeda. Those at the far edge of a expanding universe are expanding away from us at a faster speed. We can never reach them
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There are an estimated 100-400 billion stars in our galaxy. And there are an estimated 2 trillion galaxies from what we can see. The sheer numbers we are talking about means that there's gonna be other life out there that is alive right now in the moment we are alive. To think we could be the only life is downright absurd. It's not even a question to my mind at least.
So really it's about how far away is the other life. And then you can get into time, where maybe life was close to us in space, but in time we missed them by whatever length of time.
Whether there are species visiting us comes down to the question of whether they intersect in time and distance. And of course whether it is possible to bend space or otherwise circumvent the immense physical distances involved. Because they really are mind blowing.
Feynman is a brilliant physicist but I think he'll be proved wrong in saying aliens cannot reach us. In fact I think he's already wrong in that regard. The world just has to wake up to the difficult to grasp reality that aliens have probably been here for a long time, maybe longer than us. We've been lied to for our best interests as perceived by the governments of the post WWII and Cold War eras. But disclosure is coming. It's inevitable at this point and think it comes down to what was their reason for lying to us.
Is the truth so terrible that we're better off not knowing. Or is it just convenient to keep the technology and truth secret.
So really it's about how far away is the other life. And then you can get into time, where maybe life was close to us in space, but in time we missed them by whatever length of time.
Whether there are species visiting us comes down to the question of whether they intersect in time and distance. And of course whether it is possible to bend space or otherwise circumvent the immense physical distances involved. Because they really are mind blowing.
Feynman is a brilliant physicist but I think he'll be proved wrong in saying aliens cannot reach us. In fact I think he's already wrong in that regard. The world just has to wake up to the difficult to grasp reality that aliens have probably been here for a long time, maybe longer than us. We've been lied to for our best interests as perceived by the governments of the post WWII and Cold War eras. But disclosure is coming. It's inevitable at this point and think it comes down to what was their reason for lying to us.
Is the truth so terrible that we're better off not knowing. Or is it just convenient to keep the technology and truth secret.
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This is IR footage from a Reaper drone. So when they say it has a lock what that means is the turret has logic in it that can slew the servos to smooth control and keep the object where you want it. This can be used to feed a target if the Reaper wanted to fire on the object, where its azimuth and altitude would be used to give the weapon its initial direction. Also there are weapons that would follow laser point in, if it is armed in that manner. But I think in this case they're talking like it's a weapon lock, but this is just a lock for the servos and control of the turret to smooth it. In order to get that lock you need to "catch it" in the box you can see them putting over it on the interface. Similar to the old tictac vid where they all celebrate when he yells "got it" and the camera stabilizes, which removes all the jerky human thumb controls you see prior. Because with these systems they can see things quite far out and the further out they look the jerkier it gets with the slightest movement due to physics.
What you know for certain from this vid is the object is flying with zero flight controls (wings, elevators, or the like) and no propulsion we can detect, as that would show clearly in the infrared spectrum. And from there its behavior is even more exotic as it exits the frame.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b-SxFi96cE&t=32s
What you know for certain from this vid is the object is flying with zero flight controls (wings, elevators, or the like) and no propulsion we can detect, as that would show clearly in the infrared spectrum. And from there its behavior is even more exotic as it exits the frame.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b-SxFi96cE&t=32s
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I think that any proof of alien life would be the most exciting, awe-inspiring, and welcome news.... ever.
The thought of dozens, hundreds, thousands of people keeping this mind-boggling news a SECRET? For decades, no less? Incomprehensible. Absolutely everyone and their mother would be peeing their pants with excited anticipation of spreading the juiciest gossip in the history of the world.
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I wonder all the time what will happen when the reality hits the culture. I always used to think people would handle it just fine when it happens. But as I get older and the more I look at the impact of social media I gotta admit it's a bit worrying.
I suspect there would be a stock market crash of sorts. And I think that's one of the big reasons they haven't been honest about it yet. I think the govt is afraid of what will happen, plus it's easier to sit on the info and use it for black programs and shit so you're not accountable to the people.
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In the early 1800s I think it was, they asked the great thinkers of the day and educated folk questions about the future. What would it look like. And they had all sorts of funny predictions. Like steam ships that come up out of the water on tracks and then cross the land, things that make no sense but translate to what the minds of that time thought were actually possible.
That stuff is fun to watch, it's easy to find too. But the truth is we're all bound to what we know. Only a small percentage of minds develop the ability to decouple those things and consider things with an open thought process.
Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proved mathematically that the warp envelope was possible in his '94 paper on his self named drive. At the time the power requirements were asinine due to the theoretical need for negative energy. But that has changed of late. And if technology has taught us anything, it is that advances in knowledge have a tendency to change the rules.
Just curious, why do you think there would be a stock market crash?
IMO there's plenty of reasons why people might welcome the news and be optimistic.
Humans have done a pretty crappy job. "Earth under new management" might be welcome news to many.
Personally, I'm doubtful that any aliens have ever visited us. However, I agree with you on many aspects of the unlimited potential of AI. We don't need to wait for aliens to find us. We're creating our very own advanced alien species right now here on earth.
In a hundred years, the power of AI will be beyond comprehension.
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I dig the positivity. But I suspect it will be like toilet paper. Why do people buy that when they think a catastrophic event is looming.
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The warp envelope basically pulls your position in space. This means you aren't moving at speed in the physical sense. It is why you can exceed the speed of light, because you are repositioning in a bubble you create. And yes this is theoretical. But there are craft flying around right now in our airspace doing this, so it's not really just theoretical.
Also you can increase increments and "jump" to further points, or travel so quickly to them that it looks like you are jumping.
If you look at the tictac or numerous other sightings, the movement of the craft at conventional speeds would result in whoever is flying it being plastered against the bulkheads. In fact, the airframe itself would not be able to handle the G forces of the maneuvers you see. So what this suggests is that they are operating in a warp envelope, where they are in a bubble of space they pull around to go where they want to go.
Also the movement of some of them are so fast and erratic that I presume they are being piloted digitally, or by some form of AI or processor. Because we don't have the mental processing to do that even if we were in a warp envelope.
Bob Lazar went on about the fields quite a bit in some of his interviews, and how they work. He even described the interior of the craft he worked on. Said they did this with a very strong electromagnetic field. If I had to guess, I would say the field technology is not the problem for us at this point, after having had alien technology in our hands since (likely) 1933. My guess is the power generator is keeping us from tapping into this technology, as it inevitably requires massive amounts of energy.
One last note is Bob claimed the fuel for the alien ships was element 115. Some years later (2003) element 115 was discovered in Russia, which they chose to call "Moscovium." This new element, unfortunately, was not stable. Hopefully that is coming, though how expensive it would be at our current technology level to then produce is of course tbd.