The problem with our defense lies with our safeties

[Loyal]

For some of you talking about trying depth guys at safety, another out of the box thought is pushing Rochell to deep safety and moving Fuller back to his 2020 spot. Then move in Burgess to slot corner. I think the skill set of Rochell translates to safety (Fast, big and instinctual) and Burgess quick reaction would be good in the slot. If a team comes in with an AJ Green in the slot you go billichek on them and bump him with at the line while sending an outside blitz. Or anything else besides letting them run free reign downfeild against your smallest corner.

But from comments McVay has made in recent interviews, Burgess doesn't appear to be ready in this defense. I don't know why that is, but I doubt they wouldn't trot him out there if he was ready.

 

[So Ram]

Of course a win is a win. I'm talking about the loss to Arizona and how that particular game exposed some weaknesses of our new bending scheme. Weaknesses that will be exploited when we face more aggressive offenses.

I’ll continue to say a win is a win.You can talk about exploitation all you want to.I’m a true believer of being able to keep certain things in house
& enjoy fantasy.Once The Rams start losing because of these then I’ll look deeper within.

 

[So Ram]

For some of you talking about trying depth guys at safety, another out of the box thought is pushing Rochell to deep safety and moving Fuller back to his 2020 spot. Then move in Burgess to slot corner. I think the skill set of Rochell translates to safety (Fast, big and instinctual) and Burgess quick reaction would be good in the slot. If a team comes in with an AJ Green in the slot you go billichek on them and bump him with at the line while sending an outside blitz. Or anything else besides letting them run free reign downfeild against your smallest corner.

I think Sean Mcvay & The Rams will FRANCHISE Jamarcus Joyner. Can Inhave some BLUE FONT.

Yeah- Texas Ram I like your OLine break downs each week.Haven’t had time to read it since you talked about not having time last week.Then just like The Rams there was a short week.(true- nice post).

Now - this to me is pure ridiculousness.Just like all the negative other Ridiculousness posters on the sky is falling.It feels like going up against Tampa Bay each week. — I’ll just say it was good The Rams beat the GOAT.

IMV - I’ll take your reply as a freaking joke.Thinknthe coaching should be kept to Morris & Mcvay.I don’t know your football background.I’m just a fan & have views myself.With my lack of knowledge I’ll just keep LMAO until another lose.
This Rams team is FUN to watch.Exciting to watch as well.Pass the popcorn please. As an Old Laker Saying goes.I think the Mustard is OFF the Hit Dog.Show Time,Greatest Show on Turf. Can’t wait for What This Rams Team will be called. The Defenseless DB’s.

 

[Ramlock]

I believe Fangio still HAS a job, as much as it might help to have him.

 

[So Ram]

But from comments McVay has made in recent interviews, Burgess doesn't appear to be ready in this defense. I don't know why that is, but I doubt they wouldn't trot him out there if he was ready.

Yeah - like I quoted in blue font without Blue Font of bringing Jamarcus Joyner back. Trade for him & Cory Littleton back if you can’t.Maybe Les Snead & Sean Mcvay can get to future 3rd rd picks for him.
I hear rumors — Oh well heard a couple of Gruden’s emails off hand.
Staying over with a couple of M. Sam’s & Costco card holders.Just hearing a couple quick quotes in between rain in Palm Springs.Made me think about How glad Jeff Fisher is not The Rams coach. Wonder about The Ryan’s defense & think we’re those keys went. —Anyway Cheers

Life is life.Ithink we can all learn from it.Maybe I’m taking winning to seriously. Lmao

 

[wolfdogg]

I’ll continue to say a win is a win.You can talk about exploitation all you want to.I’m a true believer of being able to keep certain things in house
& enjoy fantasy.Once The Rams start losing because of these then I’ll look deeper within.

Yeah, I still don't see anyone not calling a win a win around here so don't know why you keep going back to that but you don't have to wait for the rams to lose because of the exploitation of the schemes weakness. This just in......THEY ALREADY LOST to the cards because the defensive weaknesses were exploited.

Now, any coach wanting to shrug it off and wait for it to happen again before saying maybe we should do something about that, won't be in the NFL for long.

 

[majrleaged]

I think JJ and Fuller played both. It kept teams guessing. In the end Fuller doesn’t have free safety speed.

Agreed on Rapp. That must have been one crap drafting Les’s mind for him to trade back so many times and use a Second round pick on Rapp. He’s got a very limited role.

Don't forget when Rapp was drafted, Les was looking for players who fit Wades scheme and he fit well. His 1st year he was pretty good. Staley saw that Rapp didn't fit and while he was injured and missed time, I don't think he was in the plans as a starting safety, just a specialty, or hybrid used little. Morris hasn't figured it out yet. Or Morris sees the back ups as lesser options and thinks Rapp will figure it out.

 

[majrleaged]

The Browns don’t seem to be doing very well against the pass this season with JJ. Yesterday in particular there were some really bad missed assignments and blown coverage. No idea how JJ factored into that - just saying though….

He was really good at forcing the Chargers running back into a TD so the browns could get the ball. He is a very smart player.

 

[BonifayRam]

Not sure that Snead/ McVay & Morris really know their 3 top safeties are playing like . Do they even know there is a problem?

One defender that I see as a future starter is Rookie CB Robert Rochell. A true positive in this DC Morris secondary. Snead truly did well on this selection after he failed miserably on the selection of CB David Long.

Rams’ Robert Rochell learning from rookie mistakes

The cornerback’s importance grows with the injured Darious Williams likely to miss this week’s game against the New York Giants.

www.dailybreeze.com

 

[So Ram]

Yeah, I still don't see anyone not calling a win a win around here so don't know why you keep going back to that but you don't have to wait for the rams to lose because of the exploitation of the schemes weakness. This just in......THEY ALREADY LOST to the cards because the defensive weaknesses were exploited.

Now, any coach wanting to shrug it off and wait for it to happen again before saying maybe we should do something about that, won't be in the NFL for long.

Dude, I’ve listen to Raheem Morris.I saw a change of game plan against Seattle.In fact The Rams know what needs to be addressed,and are working together to get better.

Such CRAP your blaming the defense on the loss against Arizona.First off its a team lose so it’s not about the defense.It’s a team win so it’s not about the offense.

David Long had a bad game against Arizona that is the truth.He got benched basically so I don’t know the thinking on him.RR31 is raw & needs experience,but he has been a positive surprise.

Troy Hill & John Johnson both left for Cleveland.I didn’t watch the game,but 47 points & a loss does not sound to good.I’d say that is a lot of points to give up.

Yes- the Rams defense did not play all that well against Arizona giving up 37,but if The Rams offense scores 42 they’d have won.2 turnovers don’t help either. Rams In the Red Zone we’re 2-5(3-5) for whatever that stat means.They did not get Arizona to turn the ball over though.

I don’t know what stats you want to go by.I’ll just keep addressing the Win. Losing to the 5-0 Cardinals is better than lossing to a 0-13 Jets team.I think of that as a good loss

 

[So Ram]

Not sure that Snead/ McVay & Morris really know their 3 top safeties are playing like . Do they even know there is a problem?

One defender that I see as a future starter is Rookie CB Robert Rochell. A true positive in this DC Morris secondary. Snead truly did well on this selection after he failed miserably on the selection of CB David Long.

Rams’ Robert Rochell learning from rookie mistakes

The cornerback’s importance grows with the injured Darious Williams likely to miss this week’s game against the New York Giants.

www.dailybreeze.com

I think you’ve gone a little overboard Bonifay’d. Then again David Long is a guy Les Snead knew or had knowledge of when he first came to Los Angeles. His son went to Loyal HS.
I think Fisher son went to Auburn & The Rams drafted Greg Robinson. I use that as a possible cross over.

 

[Merlin]

For some of you talking about trying depth guys at safety, another out of the box thought is pushing Rochell to deep safety and moving Fuller back to his 2020 spot. Then move in Burgess to slot corner. I think the skill set of Rochell translates to safety (Fast, big and instinctual) and Burgess quick reaction would be good in the slot. If a team comes in with an AJ Green in the slot you go billichek on them and bump him with at the line while sending an outside blitz. Or anything else besides letting them run free reign downfeild against your smallest corner.

I thought about that back in camp, was thinking about that as well as even Ramsey cycling to one of those safety spots (basically going to more corners in a Cover 4 look) but the prob is our corner play wasn't good enough. Long struggling pretty much put a cap on crazy ideas like that I think, as we now need Rochell outside the hashes.

I actually think Long could be our nickel corner vs some teams on the schedule (the ones without big matchups like say Kittle) but the Rams are all-in on having Ramsey closer to the box for run fits. This idea isn't new but Staley put on a clinic in using it to his advantage and I have to say it's grown on me. But then again I'm an old school type fan who loves strong run games and defense. I'd be happy as hell watching our offense mash it on the ground for 200 yards every week if we had the complementary defense that could get off the field.

 

[wolfdogg]

Dude, I’ve listen to Raheem Morris.I saw a change of game plan against Seattle.In fact The Rams know what needs to be addressed,and are working together to get better.

Such CRAP your blaming the defense on the loss against Arizona.First off its a team lose so it’s not about the defense.It’s a team win so it’s not about the offense.

David Long had a bad game against Arizona that is the truth.He got benched basically so I don’t know the thinking on him.RR31 is raw & needs experience,but he has been a positive surprise.

Troy Hill & John Johnson both left for Cleveland.I didn’t watch the game,but 47 points & a loss does not sound to good.I’d say that is a lot of points to give up.

Yes- the Rams defense did not play all that well against Arizona giving up 37,but if The Rams offense scores 42 they’d have won.2 turnovers don’t help either. Rams In the Red Zone we’re 2-5(3-5) for whatever that stat means.They did not get Arizona to turn the ball over though.

I don’t know what stats you want to go by.I’ll just keep addressing the Win. Losing to the 5-0 Cardinals is better than lossing to a 0-13 Jets team.I think of that as a good loss

I'm not putting all the blame on the defense for the cards loss but I do think if Staley is the DC for that game, the Rams win it and the fact that the defense tweaked more to his scheme in the improvement during the Seahawks game, as I acknowledged, supports that opinion.

And what win is it you keep "addressing?" My whole point, as well as many others on this thread has been about the need to address the cards loss. We know a win is a win. Do you understand the cards loss is a loss because if you do, then why the pushback on trying to prevent that from happening again? I mean talk about bitching over nothing

 

[Kupped]

I'm not putting all the blame on the defense for the cards loss but I do think if Staley is the DC for that game, the Rams win it and the fact that the defense tweaked more to his scheme in the improvement during the Seahawks game, as I acknowledged, supports that opinion.

And what win is it you keep "addressing?" My whole point, as well as many others on this thread has been about the need to address the cards loss. We know a win is a win. Do you understand the cards loss is a loss because if you do, then why the pushback on trying to prevent that from happening again? I mean talk about bitching over nothing

The Cards loss was at least as much on the offense as on the defense, imo.
Two turnovers.. blown red zone opportunities and general shakiness.
Cards never stopped them.. the Rams didn't execute.

 

[wolfdogg]

The Cards loss was at least as much on the offense as on the defense, imo.
Two turnovers.. blown red zone opportunities and general shakiness.
Cards never stopped them.. the Rams didn't execute.

Yes, but the difference is that the offensive failures came mostly from player mistakes whereas the failure of the defense was mostly scheme created.

 

[Kupped]

Yes, but the difference is that the offensive failures came mostly from player mistakes whereas the failure of the defense was mostly scheme created.

Was it? Or was it poor execution? Or was it both?

 

[majrleaged]

In the past, against the Murry cards, the D line rushed the QB holding their lanes and not going past the level of the QB. It s also how the played Wilson. In the cards game I didn't see that. Was it because the cards o line is better and we didn't get that collective push. Or was it a lack of discipline or scheme? We will learn more the next time we play them.

 

[Kupped]

Btw…
One thing I don’t think has been mentioned yet is the fact Troy Hill wasn’t just a corner… he was the primary “Star” last season.

Neither Williams nor Long are able to play that spot.

 

[ausmurp]

I think we need to give Earl Thomas a call...

 

[So Ram]

I'm not putting all the blame on the defense for the cards loss but I do think if Staley is the DC for that game, the Rams win it and the fact that the defense tweaked more to his scheme in the improvement during the Seahawks game, as I acknowledged, supports that opinion.

And what win is it you keep "addressing?" My whole point, as well as many others on this thread has been about the need to address the cards loss. We know a win is a win. Do you understand the cards loss is a loss because if you do, then why the pushback on trying to prevent that from happening again? I mean talk about bitching over nothing

There you go.Well then the defense is fixed for now? The Rams gave up a TD late,but still only gave up 17 points.
Murray is a different type of QB,and The Rams didn’t adjust right.