The McVay Offense: Scoring

[PARAM]

When you're the hot offense in the league the NFL is going to adjust to you. Teams also started copying mcvay and our offense. Now that the league has caught up our offense it looks pedestrian. Sure players help but the talent level isn't far off from what we had in 2018.

The NFL defense has evolved, and mcvay really hasn't

Tell me when Andy Reid runs 11 personnel over 90% of the time. Then we'll talk

Read my responding statement above. I explained it pretty well

The top one or the second one? Because neither "explain" anything 'pretty well'.

"The NFL adjusts to you"? Sure they do. That's why New England Patriots were only good for .... 20 years?
"Teams are copying McVay's offense"? WTF does that have to do with it? You can copy anything but if you don't have the players, it ain't the same.
"Talent level isn't far off from 2018"? Okay!!!

The NFL NEVER adjusted to Brady and New England and they never changed anything. Short passes, runs and good defense.

If you have an excellent system with excellent players, you can practically tell the defense what you're running and they won't stop it. But name me the RB we had since Gurley's decline that could carry Gurley's jockstrap? It (RB), HE (GURLEY) is the difference between McVay's offense being successful or not. And I'd add, a talented, veteran gunslinger QB could make up for the lack of #30 (see 2021).

 

[Jacobarch]

The top one or the second one? Because neither "explain" anything 'pretty well'.

"The NFL adjusts to you"? Sure they do. That's why New England Patriots were only good for .... 20 years?
"Teams are copying McVay's offense"? WTF does that have to do with it? You can copy anything but if you don't have the players, it ain't the same.
"Talent level isn't far off from 2018"? Okay!!!

The NFL NEVER adjusted to Brady and New England and they never changed anything. Short passes, runs and good defense.

If you have an excellent system with excellent players, you can practically tell the defense what you're running and they won't stop it. But name me the RB we had since Gurley's decline that could carry Gurley's jockstrap? It (RB), HE (GURLEY) is the difference between McVay's offense being successful or not. And I'd add, a talented, veteran gunslinger QB could make up for the lack of #30 (see 2021).

Did we win a SB with or without TGIII? Remind me.

 

[Jacobarch]

Tell me when Andy Reid won a Super Bowl without Mahomes.

During his 14-year tenure with the Eagles, Reid compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history.[62] He captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. During this period, no other franchise earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7) and only Bill Belichick's New England Patriots exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6). Despite his success, however, Reid was ultimately unable to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl title.

Tell me when Andy Reid was ever a bad coach? I'll wait

 

[Kupped]

Did we win a SB with or without TGIII? Remind me.

Would've won it with a *healthy* TG. Oh.. and Kupp.

No doubt in my mind.. you?

 

[PARAM]

Did we win a SB with or without TGIII? Remind me.

Sure did. With a dominant defense!! Shut down Arizona. Held Tommy boy to 3 points before our RB started turning it over. Beat SF and Cincy with fantastic defense and an awesome defensive play to end each game.....games that were in serious question before that defensive play. With Gurley (healthy) we dominated....which was the premise of this thread. You don't agree with it. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Kupped]

During his 14-year tenure with the Eagles, Reid compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history.[62] He captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. During this period, no other franchise earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7) and only Bill Belichick's New England Patriots exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6). Despite his success, however, Reid was ultimately unable to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl title.

Tell me when Andy Reid was ever a bad coach? I'll wait

When did he win a Super Bowl without Mahomes?

Oh.. to answer your Q.. he had losing records three times with the Eagles.

 

[Jacobarch]

Would've won it with a *healthy* TG. Oh.. and Kupp.

No doubt in my mind.. you?

I live in reality tho not a hypothetical world. Haha

You're entitled to your opinion tho. I mean we're obviously not gonna agree on this and that's ok.

 

[PARAM]

During his 14-year tenure with the Eagles, Reid compiled the best win total (120), winning percentage (.609) and playoff victory total (10) in team history.[62] He captured six division titles and five trips to the NFC Championship game. During this period, no other franchise earned more divisional playoff round appearances (7) and only Bill Belichick's New England Patriots exceeded Philadelphia's (5) conference championship game appearances with (6). Despite his success, however, Reid was ultimately unable to lead the Eagles to a Super Bowl title.

Tell me when Andy Reid was ever a bad coach? I'll wait

And for all that, his postseason record in Philly was 10-9. So he couldn't close the deal until he found Mahomes?

Winning pct in Philly? Regular season: .583 ; Postseason: .526
Winning pct in KC? Regular season: .728 ; Postseason: .632

+ .155 in KC in RS; + .106 in PS.

Did Andy 'finally get smart' in KC or did he find a HOF QB?

Again, the premise of the thread was "dominating offense"....scoring 35+ PPG. It's not about McVay, Andy Reid or Marv Fucking Levy. It's about offense and how a stud RB can make everything better. But stay up on that soapbox.

 

[Kupped]

I live in reality tho not a hypothetical world. Haha

You're entitled to your opinion tho. I mean we're obviously not gonna agree on this and that's ok.

McVay is still younger now than Reid was when he got his first HC gig.

And I live in a real world.. where Reid couldn't win without Mahomes.. the greatest QB of his generation.

 

[Jacobarch]

McVay is still younger now than Reid was when he got his first HC gig.

And I live in a real world.. where Reid couldn't win without Mahomes.. the greatest QB of his generation.

And mcvay couldn't win with gurley

 

[PARAM]

And mcvay couldn't win with gurley

So it's not the HC?
It's not being "figured out"?
It's not too much 11P?

It's a QB? I can agree with that but his scoring numbers (or record) aren't as dominant with Stafford as they were with Goff. Is Goff better? Not in my mind. So what has been the difference?.....and before you go off on the SB...one fucking game......being the measure of whether an offense is dominant or not (the premise of this thread).......think running game.

 

[Faceplant]

RB’s aren’t thrown to

Our hot route tree appears non existent

Screen game is rarely called at the right time

If we don’t get 20+ yard completions we get 2 yards or nothing

Not enough slant game

We run a decent amount of jet motion but usually just drop back and throw it

Not enough trick plays, almost none. Who cares if “X player” of ours is a former QB…he ain’t throwing it EVER to ANYONE on a trick play

Empty sets aren’t very effective and for the love of Geezus don’t call them on 3rd and short

Tell your QB to spread the ball around

Use the run as an attack rather than a set up for play action that you only call when we AREN’T running the ball successfully. Smfh

Stop with the 11 personnel every time all the time. It was awesome four years ago.

Use your TE’s. Why do we need more than one on the roster at this point if you’re going to never go 12 personnel or jumbo…

Let your OL eat

And lastly, instead of trying find 50 ways to stress their safeties with our best WR, maybe just attack their entire defense with the one thing they can’t handle.

Maybe they can’t stop the run, inside run, outside run, defending the flat maybe. Run them into the ground.

Maybe their LB’s are susceptible to defending TE’s. Use our TE’s.

Maybe their secondary is small. Use our big WR’s.

Maybe their secondary is thin. Use empty sets.

I’m not smarter than McVay but fuck man…EVOLVE and DIVERSIFY

You sir..... ARE HIRED!!!!

 

[majrleaged]

RB’s aren’t thrown to

Our hot route tree appears non existent

Screen game is rarely called at the right time

If we don’t get 20+ yard completions we get 2 yards or nothing

Not enough slant game

We run a decent amount of jet motion but usually just drop back and throw it

Not enough trick plays, almost none. Who cares if “X player” of ours is a former QB…he ain’t throwing it EVER to ANYONE on a trick play

Empty sets aren’t very effective and for the love of Geezus don’t call them on 3rd and short

Tell your QB to spread the ball around

Use the run as an attack rather than a set up for play action that you only call when we AREN’T running the ball successfully. Smfh

Stop with the 11 personnel every time all the time. It was awesome four years ago.

Use your TE’s. Why do we need more than one on the roster at this point if you’re going to never go 12 personnel or jumbo…

Let your OL eat

And lastly, instead of trying find 50 ways to stress their safeties with our best WR, maybe just attack their entire defense with the one thing they can’t handle.

Maybe they can’t stop the run, inside run, outside run, defending the flat maybe. Run them into the ground.

Maybe their LB’s are susceptible to defending TE’s. Use our TE’s.

Maybe their secondary is small. Use our big WR’s.

Maybe their secondary is thin. Use empty sets.

I’m not smarter than McVay but fuck man…EVOLVE and DIVERSIFY

No reason to expand on this. I am glad I read thru first, cause I would have been wasting my time writing something.

 

[Kupped]

And mcvay couldn't win with gurley

You are so close.

 

[Jacobarch]

You are so close.

I'll never join the dark side

 

[shake-n-bake]

I don't think McVay is running his old offense. That 2018 offense was built on lots of motion and misdirection. I don't see the jet sweeps and all kinds of motion anymore

 

[thirteen28]

I hadn’t seen that before. Those numbers jump out.

Hmm. It does seem to point to scheme fatigue. Thats a lot of data. And to your point Stafford / Goff QB play wouldn’t seem to be the reason.

Scheme fatigue is a good description. Lack of adaptation is another one.

RB’s aren’t thrown to

Our hot route tree appears non existent

Screen game is rarely called at the right time

If we don’t get 20+ yard completions we get 2 yards or nothing

Not enough slant game

We run a decent amount of jet motion but usually just drop back and throw it

Not enough trick plays, almost none. Who cares if “X player” of ours is a former QB…he ain’t throwing it EVER to ANYONE on a trick play

Empty sets aren’t very effective and for the love of Geezus don’t call them on 3rd and short

Tell your QB to spread the ball around

Use the run as an attack rather than a set up for play action that you only call when we AREN’T running the ball successfully. Smfh

Stop with the 11 personnel every time all the time. It was awesome four years ago.

Use your TE’s. Why do we need more than one on the roster at this point if you’re going to never go 12 personnel or jumbo…

Let your OL eat

And lastly, instead of trying find 50 ways to stress their safeties with our best WR, maybe just attack their entire defense with the one thing they can’t handle.

Maybe they can’t stop the run, inside run, outside run, defending the flat maybe. Run them into the ground.

Maybe their LB’s are susceptible to defending TE’s. Use our TE’s.

Maybe their secondary is small. Use our big WR’s.

Maybe their secondary is thin. Use empty sets.

I’m not smarter than McVay but fuck man…EVOLVE and DIVERSIFY

The last line sums up the rest of the post perfectly.

2017-2018 are over. The constant 20 yard chunk plays aren't there anymore.

Do something else.

 

[Malibu]

Including postseason:

From 2017 to 2019 the Rams scored 30 points 21 times (18-3), 40 points 5 times (4-1) and 50 points twice (2-0).
That's 28 times scoring 30 or more in 52 games. 53.8%
From 2020 to date the Rams have scored 30 points 17 times (16-1), 40 points none and 50 points once (1-0)
18 times scoring 30 or more in 63 games. 28.6%
That's a huge difference.

BIG outputs (40+) are virtually non-existent. The Rams scored 40 or more points 5 times in the first 28 games under McVay, 3 in the last 87. We scored 50 points twice in his first 28 games, once in his last 87. To put things in a different perspective the Rams scored 35 or more 14 times in 2017 and 2018 (36 games; 38.9%), 7 times from 2019 to date (79 games; 8.9%).

Is the drastic change due to the OL? It's certainly not the QB. Stafford is by all accounts a more accomplished QB than Goff and yet, the offensive production hasn't equated to high scoring. Or is the change due to the lack of a stud RB? I don't buy "the league has figured out McVay". That's the easy answer and I think it's something different.

Yes it is the OL this year it has been upgraded but McVay never helps them out like SF who already has a great OL but either a TE, FB and or RB constantly help out creating a clean pocket. A clean pocket equals better QB play.

 

[TXRams86]

Scheme fatigue is a good description. Lack of adaptation is another one.


The last line sums up the rest of the post perfectly.

2017-2018 are over. The constant 20 yard chunk plays aren't there anymore.

Do something else.

That's it. This is it. 2018 was 5 years ago. Time for a change.

 

[rdlkgliders]

Is this the vent thread