The Curse of a Salary Cap–Eating Quarterback

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Alright........lets take 10MIL off of each of their salaries which would make them paid like pretty good to average QB's.

And lets say that 10MIL gets you a top quality player at whatever position you want. Not a superstar but a guy who is really good.

How many of those teams make the playoffs?

Lets say you take $15MIL from each and you get a superstar player at some positions. I say some because 15MIL doesn't get you a superstar player at every position, most but not all.

How many make the playoffs now?

Lets say you took that 15MIL and got 2 decent players, or one good player and two role players for depth. Or any way you want to spend that 15MIL.

How many of those teams make the playoffs?

Only one 9 win team got in this year. The other WC team got 10 wins. So let's say in order to get that one spot each team would have needed more wins. That means the player or players you got with the extra money would need to add the following to each team.

Packers..........3 to 4 wins depending on tie breakers
Falcons..........2 to 3 wins depending on tie breakers
Vikings..........1 or 2 wins depending on tiebreakers
Lions..........3 to 4 wins depending on tiebreakers
Raiders..........5 to 6 wins depending on tie breakers

I skipped the 49ers because we don't know what would have happen had JG played all year. I have my thoughts, but we will leave them out since he didn't play and the other teams had their starter all year. Teams almost never make the playoffs with a backup, it's rarer than hens teeth. And yes I know the Rams did it with Warner LOL.

My feeling is that it is highly unlikely that any team outside of the Vikings has more than a snowballs chance in hell of gaining that many wins because of one player who isn't a QB. And even that's a long shot.

So it isn't the QB's salary freaking those teams up, their salaries cannot be directly tied to the teams missing the playoffs. It's a straw man of epic proportions. Look at the flaws for each of those teams and you will quickly figure out 10-15MIL more in cap space isn't going to fix them enough to garner the wins needed. And that's WITH those QB's playing at a lower salary.

Also.........with that money going to other players what kind of QB would the team have? Spending 15-18MIL gets you exactly what at QB these days? I'll tell you what it get's you. Mediocre QB play.

There is no merit to the conversation. Even if you took the entire salaries and gave it back to the team to spend as they see fit and the QB's listed above played for free how much of a difference would it make? I'd argue some but not enough except for possibly the Vikings since 28MIL could get some great help.

And before someone says "well look at the teams that made the playoffs with QB's on cheap rookie deals" I will say this.

Look at the rest of the roster. The rosters are full of better talent. Hell the Rams had last years DPOY and OPOY in place before Goff was drafted. Yes paying a guy 3-7 million frees up money, but you still have to use it wisely.

I don't know how this narrative started but it simply isn't the entire story, it's one of a handful of facets.

because idiot nfl writers think drafting a good qb is an easy process. they look at two or three teams playing well with young qbs and think every team can magically draft a qb that can take the team to the superbowl.

in other words they're idiots.

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because idiot nfl writers think drafting a good qb is an easy process. they look at two or three teams playing well with young qbs and think every team can magically draft a qb that can take the team to the superbowl.

in other words they're idiots.

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Drafting QB's in the first round is a 50-50 proposition. Only about 50% of them ever make starting QB's over a long period of time. And only a small percentage of them are high end QB's.
 

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Only 5 of the top 18 paid QB's made the playoffs this year. Same goes for pass rushers.
 

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Drafting QB's in the first round is a 50-50 proposition. Only about 50% of them ever make starting QB's over a long period of time. And only a small percentage of them are high end QB's.
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Brady , Duncan , Dirk ..3 great players that all took less money so they could win

I think jared does the same , he also has great relationship with the coach and plays in his home state .

I understand the QB is important but if you cant put people around him what's the point? Rodgers might be the best qb ever , hes at home today on the couch.
 

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Brady , Duncan , Dirk ..3 great players that all took less money so they could win

I think jared does the same , he also has great relationship with the coach and plays in his home state .

I understand the QB is important but if you cant put people around him what's the point? Rodgers might be the best qb ever , hes at home today on the couch.

I see JG as the type not to care too much about a huge salary. Just doesn't seem to fit his personality, and I agree that he may be amenable to taking less.... However. .... That would piss off all the other QB's behind him as it would change the market. What Brady did was basically unprecedented, but again.. Giselle, Kraft finding other ways to "compensate him" etc.
 

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Just so you guys know Brady never took a paycut all he did was restructure and push the money out
 

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Just so you guys know Brady never took a paycut all he did was restructure and push the money out
I don't think a single person in three pages of comments mentioned Brady taking a paycut.
 

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...at-a-discounts-a-good-deal-heres-a-breakdown/



Brady is always held up as the example but he was the top earner during his second and third contract periods...it was not until after he was a very rich man and the highest paid QB, that he started taking discounts or restructures with tons of cash up front....



Brady's contract renegotiations since 2013
The Patriots have had the next best thing with Brady, who is arguably the greatest quarterback of all time. Brady started taking a unique approach to his contracts in 2013, when he first renegotiated the four-year, $72 million contract extension he signed in 2010 to make him the NFL's highest-paid player (by average yearly salary). He began consistently giving the Patriots hometown discounts instead of driving the market.
 

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...and only three of the top ten paid WRs were in the playoffs, and if you go up to top 20 there aren't many more.
 

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Look at the posts just before mine.
That doesn't sound like a paycut. It sounds like a discounted extension. He's not being asked to reduce his pay, he's just not asking for as much as he could get.
 

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Hold on to jared for 1 more year
Trade him for a high pick
Draft Tua from Alabama

Boom back on a rookie contract for 5 years !

 

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That doesn't sound like a paycut. It sounds like a discounted extension. He's not being asked to reduce his pay, he's just not asking for as much as he could get.

Brady , Duncan , Dirk ..3 great players that all took less money so they could win

What Brady did was basically unprecedented, but again.. Giselle, Kraft finding other ways to "compensate him" etc.

Sounds like "paycut" to me.
 

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Sounds like "paycut" to me.
Are you saying he did take a paycut? He just extended deals at a discount, which is not a paycut.

If your boss says "I'd like you to take a paycut", you don't expect him to follow up by giving you a raise.
 

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IMO JG might start taking pay cuts or "Hometown" discounts AFTER he becomes one of the top paid QB in the NFL.
Not untill then the Rams should expect to pay top $$$ for him
 

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Are you saying he did take a paycut? He just extended deals at a discount, which is not a paycut.

If your boss says "I'd like you to take a paycut", you don't expect him to follow up by giving you a raise.
Brady never took less money. It was restructured to open salary cap space. Anyone who claim he took less money doesn't know what they are talking about. This happens all the time. Take Darnold's contract. They could restructure and take $10 million each from 2020 and 2021 base salary and make it signing bonus and save $8 million in cap space in each of those two years by spreading it out through 2024. Of course that would make his 2024 cap hit $29 million..........
 

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IF Goff remains healthy with McVay as the HC..... Goff will be worth every penny, being paid the highest contracted QB in the NFL.

This marriage saga between these two is just in its beginnings as Goff & McVay remain together we as Ram fans might be right smack in the middle of NFL offensive history in the early makings...............:sneaky:
 

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Are you saying he did take a paycut? He just extended deals at a discount, which is not a paycut.

If your boss says "I'd like you to take a paycut", you don't expect him to follow up by giving you a raise.

No I know how the deals went down. What I am saying is that some people say he took the home town discount to help the team but that's not true.
 

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No I know how the deals went down. What I am saying is that some people say he took the home town discount to help the team but that's not true.
See, now that is something entirely different than taking a "paycut" as you originally stated, and you are incorrect. He has passed up millions while signing his extensions. You can read the CBS article linked above to see just how much he has been paid compared to other QBs since 2013. He could have earned just as much as Brees or Manning, but he took less than he could have earned. That is exactly what a hometown discount is.