Terrell Lewis thread

[hotanez]

Nice to see Lewis get some reps. I hope he can become that ER we need to help AD out. So far so good

 

[LARams_1963]

How many snaps did he get? I didn't see him.

 

[hotanez]

How many snaps did he get? I didn't see him.

Someone made a thread with the snap breakdown, I believe Lewis had 14 reps on D

 

[LARams_1963]

Someone made a thread with the snap breakdown, I believe Lewis had 14 reps on D

Thanks! Just saw that. Can't believe I didn't see him, I was looking!

 

[Stl2La]

View: https://twitter.com/jb_long/status/1315748650333528064?s=21

 

[Corbin]

Hell of a first game for Lewis! Happy to see him overcome some of my doubts about him.

I hope he stays healthy without any major setbacks from now on.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That's the claim because he decided last year that Kromer is the root of the problems and won't back off that opinion. Some people just keep digging once they get in a hole. I'm blown away that O'Connell has fixed our problems despite the fact that he has no experience coaching OLs, no experience scheming running games, and isn't the person who is primarily responsible for what we do on offense (that's Sean McVay).

What has fixed our OL is a combination of improvement from young OLs, more experience and chemistry from guys who gelled down the stretch last year, better scheming from McVay, and our two OTs not playing through injuries (or in Havenstein's case, missing most of the season). It's plain as day to anybody who is willing to look at things remotely objectively. But if you admit those things, you can't deny Kromer some credit in the OL's improvements. He's a top 5 OL Coach in the NFL, and we're quite lucky to have him. I remember the Loney and Boudreau coached OLs. Thank god for Kromer.

The subtraction of Noteboom and Allen have certainly helped. I'll admit that Blythe is playing better at Center than I ever expected. That was the entire Rams interior right there and even when healthy, they sucked. I still hope Blythe can one day be upgraded. He's the weakest link right now imo.

As for scheme, we can't really answer to who was at fault. The coaches will never tell us that. Last year the Rams played a very horizontal ZBS. It didn't fit with the personnel, especially considering injuries and defenses were blowing it up. At the time Kroner was the run game coordinator. How is he not partially to blame for some of it? Then this year he inserted Noteboom back into the left guard spot causing many of us to scratch our heads. Also this year the ZBS changed to a more diagonal scheme which is giving the run game more push. Kromer was returned to offensive line coach only and the line is healthier and has two additions by subtraction. So, who is responsible for the fix? Is it possible that the change to the scheme was in part brought over from Washington with McConnel? Or that even Staley chimed in after evaluating last years games? Just like you don't want to lay all the blame on Kromer, I'm not ready to give him all of the credit after some of his personnel decisions like Noteboom, Allen, and Demby as first man up. Is he a good Oline coach? I think he may be above average, but top five as some say may be a bit of overreach. But he's definitely better than 'I wrote the book' Loney, or 'Over the hill' Beaudrea.

 

[Merlin]

One note: the next four games have good LTs. Won't see a weak LT until the Bucs (23rd Nov). It's gonna be a lot harder to get production off that right side so yeah here's hoping Lewis gives us a lift.

 

[FrantikRam]

That's the claim because he decided last year that Kromer is the root of the problems and won't back off that opinion. Some people just keep digging once they get in a hole. I'm blown away that O'Connell has fixed our problems despite the fact that he has no experience coaching OLs, no experience scheming running games, and isn't the person who is primarily responsible for what we do on offense (that's Sean McVay).

What has fixed our OL is a combination of improvement from young OLs, more experience and chemistry from guys who gelled down the stretch last year, better scheming from McVay, and our two OTs not playing through injuries (or in Havenstein's case, missing most of the season). It's plain as day to anybody who is willing to look at things remotely objectively. But if you admit those things, you can't deny Kromer some credit in the OL's improvements. He's a top 5 OL Coach in the NFL, and we're quite lucky to have him. I remember the Loney and Boudreau coached OLs. Thank god for Kromer.

The bolded is what everyone failed to take into account. The OL could still cause us some issues, but I was completely fine with not drafting an offensive lineman high because of how they played down the stretch last year, and counting on Edwards, Noteboom (who was playing well before getting injured), Blythe and Corbett to get better, and getting Hav back healthy.

 

[BonifayRam]

......................but I was completely fine with not drafting an offensive lineman high because of how they played down the stretch last year, and counting on Edwards, Noteboom (who was playing well before getting injured), Blythe and Corbett to get better, and getting Hav back healthy.

I am also an advocate of the Rams continuing to infuse the OL with several new fresh healthy OL'ers utilizing the late second & third day draft selections. For the 2021 draft a LT & OC appears to be a good idea..

 

[jrry32]

The subtraction of Noteboom and Allen have certainly helped. I'll admit that Blythe is playing better at Center than I ever expected. That was the entire Rams interior right there and even when healthy, they sucked. I still hope Blythe can one day be upgraded. He's the weakest link right now imo.

As for scheme, we can't really answer to who was at fault. The coaches will never tell us that. Last year the Rams played a very horizontal ZBS. It didn't fit with the personnel, especially considering injuries and defenses were blowing it up. At the time Kroner was the run game coordinator. How is he not partially to blame for some of it? Then this year he inserted Noteboom back into the left guard spot causing many of us to scratch our heads. Also this year the ZBS changed to a more diagonal scheme which is giving the run game more push. Kromer was returned to offensive line coach only and the line is healthier and has two additions by subtraction. So, who is responsible for the fix? Is it possible that the change to the scheme was in part brought over from Washington with McConnel? Or that even Staley chimed in after evaluating last years games? Just like you don't want to lay all the blame on Kromer, I'm not ready to give him all of the credit after some of his personnel decisions like Noteboom, Allen, and Demby as first man up. Is he a good Oline coach? I think he may be above average, but top five as some say may be a bit of overreach. But he's definitely better than 'I wrote the book' Loney, or 'Over the hill' Beaudrea.

If we're blaming Kromer, we need to also blame McVay for last year. And both share blame. But let's also not ignore circumstance. Corbett, who has been quite good this year, was acquired and thrown into the lineup in the middle of the season. Edwards was a rookie. Blythe spent most of the year at RG. Havenstein was injured. And Whitworth took a step back as he played through injuries. We built some continuity and chemistry late in the year and had decent OL play near the end of the season (after moving Blythe to C). As for the running schemes, they don't look much different to me. McVay is just running less outside zone.

 

[FarNorth]

The subtraction of Noteboom and Allen have certainly helped. I'll admit that Blythe is playing better at Center than I ever expected. That was the entire Rams interior right there and even when healthy, they sucked. I still hope Blythe can one day be upgraded. He's the weakest link right now imo.

As for scheme, we can't really answer to who was at fault. The coaches will never tell us that. Last year the Rams played a very horizontal ZBS. It didn't fit with the personnel, especially considering injuries and defenses were blowing it up. At the time Kroner was the run game coordinator. How is he not partially to blame for some of it? Then this year he inserted Noteboom back into the left guard spot causing many of us to scratch our heads. Also this year the ZBS changed to a more diagonal scheme which is giving the run game more push. Kromer was returned to offensive line coach only and the line is healthier and has two additions by subtraction. So, who is responsible for the fix? Is it possible that the change to the scheme was in part brought over from Washington with McConnel? Or that even Staley chimed in after evaluating last years games? Just like you don't want to lay all the blame on Kromer, I'm not ready to give him all of the credit after some of his personnel decisions like Noteboom, Allen, and Demby as first man up. Is he a good Oline coach? I think he may be above average, but top five as some say may be a bit of overreach. But he's definitely better than 'I wrote the book' Loney, or 'Over the hill' Beaudrea.

FYI Kromer is still the Run Game Coordinator. And while I think O'Connell is doing a great job, and no doubt he and McVay have overall responsibility for the offense, it is not clear to me that he has had any special role in the blocking scheme. In a well coached team like the Rams changing the scheme would likely be a collective decision, with Kromer in the lead and responsible for the implementation of whatever is agreed on.

From the Rams' site (skipping the big color photo):

Aaron Kromer
RUN GAME COORDINATOR/OFFENSIVE LINE
Aaron Kromer begins his fourth season with the Los Angeles Rams, his third season serving as the team’s run game coordinator.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If we're blaming Kromer, we need to also blame McVay for last year. And both share blame. But let's also not ignore circumstance. Corbett, who has been quite good this year, was acquired and thrown into the lineup in the middle of the season. Edwards was a rookie. Blythe spent most of the year at RG. Havenstein was injured. And Whitworth took a step back as he played through injuries. We built some continuity and chemistry late in the year and had decent OL play near the end of the season (after moving Blythe to C). As for the running schemes, they don't look much different to me. McVay is just running less outside zone.

Since McVay has been here they blocked more sideways. This year they are blocking more at a 45 degree angle. Maybe it’s their answer to combating 6 man fronts. I think announcers on the first or seconds game even pointed it out.

Corbett is doing okay. He’s not grading as high as the rest Of the line most weeks. And I’m aware of the injuries. I specifically pointed out Allen, Noteboom, and Demby. Once that trio was out the line improved despite the injuries. It was not great but we all saw the difference. So who chose those three as starters and primary backup? I guess we will never know.

 

[So Ram]

The bolded is what everyone failed to take into account. The OL could still cause us some issues, but I was completely fine with not drafting an offensive lineman high because of how they played down the stretch last year, and counting on Edwards, Noteboom (who was playing well before getting injured), Blythe and Corbett to get better, and getting Hav back healthy.

I don’t understand the Bolded? Well I guess I do actually.Go back & look at last Thanksgiving & that will tell you a lot about how the offensive lineman came together.
Noteboom was a big question mark,but just the extra reps he got in 2020 gave him that much more experience.
Bobby Evans has still yet taken a Rep,but yet proved he could fill in for Big Rob & actually played at a higher level at the end of 2019 than Havenstien.
The Rams did draft a OLINEMAN in 2020,which I lost Rod Dollars on.I gladly take that loss with the fact the 7th rd pick made the 2020 roster.
We can keep going on about the depth as well,but I just hope this group just continues to grow together.

There has & was big change from the end of 2019 to 2020 though & if you think there is still an issue then imo that is the sky is falling approach.

-lol - the offensive is so bad. The Rams are never going to make the Playoffs. The Rams will be lucky to make the playoffs. There is no depth. Kromer is the worst coach & Les Snead has no clue on how to draft a Offensive Lineman. He still believes in Barron & Jason Smith. He is keeping an eye on Greg Robinson’s prison time for when he gets out.Maybe he will be mature & be the next Jackie Slater & Whitworth at 38-40.

 

[So Ram]

I am also an advocate of the Rams continuing to infuse the OL with several new fresh healthy OL'ers utilizing the late second & third day draft selections. For the 2021 draft a LT & OC appears to be a good idea..

Dude that time is so not even there.Did you already forget Brewer?
Your so high on a 22 year old udrfa who had not played & was fighting cancer. Now after getting a year of NFL experience & then sitting out like a Mormon Mission in 2020 you want to draft someone early in 2021.

Just saying who knows what 2020 is going to look like in January 2021? Is there going to be a SuperBowl. You know COVID is just a joke & won’t play a part of this 2020 NFL season.Unless your in Florida playing in the Bubble(Laker Nation) & you don’t have to travel.
The Rams do a good job,but I think the thing your missing is the Practice Squad & Regular Roster filled with O”Lineman. I will never say to pass on a position during the draft.

I look at Hopkins & Jefferson. Those were Value Picks.
Lewis was both Of need & value.

Then Fuller after taking Burgees as a FS shows that filling in the squares are the best way to do this.

I liked watching Reeder Sunday against Washington.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don’t understand the Bolded? Well I guess I do actually.Go back & look at last Thanksgiving & that will tell you a lot about how the offensive lineman came together.
Noteboom was a big question mark,but just the extra reps he got in 2020 gave him that much more experience.
Bobby Evans has still yet taken a Rep,but yet proved he could fill in for Big Rob & actually played at a higher level at the end of 2019 than Havenstien.
The Rams did draft a OLINEMAN in 2020,which I lost Rod Dollars on.I gladly take that loss with the fact the 7th rd pick made the 2020 roster.
We can keep going on about the depth as well,but I just hope this group just continues to grow together.

There has & was big change from the end of 2019 to 2020 though & if you think there is still an issue then imo that is the sky is falling approach.

-lol - the offensive is so bad. The Rams are never going to make the Playoffs. The Rams will be lucky to make the playoffs. There is no depth. Kromer is the worst coach & Les Snead has no clue on how to draft a Offensive Lineman. He still believes in Barron & Jason Smith. He is keeping an eye on Greg Robinson’s prison time for when he gets out.Maybe he will be mature & be the next Jackie Slater & Whitworth at 38-40.

They could still use a Center. Last year all we had was Allen. The others still have not displaced him as he is second on the depth chart. Blythe is better than Allen but still has his warts. Drafting a center two years ago may have fixed the problem. Maybe picking one early this year could have given a center a jump on being ready next year.

You keep claiming that linemen need time to adjust to the league, so when do you think they should start looking at Centers? If Blythe goes down we are right back to Allen. It would be nice to have a blocker waiting in the wings at Center.

I’m beginning to think the real problem is that the blocking scheme requires a certain type of player. They value mobility to fit the scheme but as we’ve seen mobility isn’t crap if guys can’t block. That’s why Edwards is better than Noteboom despite not having good lateral movement. He can actually hold a block. This is something Blythe can struggle with too. I had them picking a center in 1919. He’d likely be ready by now.

For reaching the playoffs it can be about ‘good enough’. But for getting to the Super Bowl and winning it is more about matchups and having better players than other top teams. I’m always looking at it that way because the Superbowl is the ultimate goal and the last time they were there we found out what can happen with a few weak links.

 

[Tano]

They could still use a Center. Last year all we had was Allen. The others still have not displaced him as he is second on the depth chart. Blythe is better than Allen but still has his warts. Drafting a center two years ago may have fixed the problem. Maybe picking one early this year could have given a center a jump on being ready next year.

You keep claiming that linemen need time to adjust to the league, so when do you think they should start looking at Centers? If Blythe goes down we are right back to Allen. It would be nice to have a blocker waiting in the wings at Center.

I’m beginning to think the real problem is that the blocking scheme requires a certain type of player. They value mobility to fit the scheme but as we’ve seen mobility isn’t crap if guys can’t block. That’s why Edwards is better than Noteboom despite not having good lateral movement. He can actually hold a block. This is something Blythe can struggle with too. I had them picking a center in 1919. He’d likely be ready by now.

For reaching the playoffs it can be about ‘good enough’. But for getting to the Super Bowl and winning it is more about matchups and having better players than other top teams. I’m always looking at it that way because the Superbowl is the ultimate goal and the last time they were there we found out what can happen with a few weak links.

I agree with you completely on Blythe. In another post, I stated that I feel Blythe is an "OKAY" center but that an average center would benefit so much more in the run game and screen game.

He misses way too many blocks that if he held on for just a split second longer would have freed up our running backs for longer gains.

You had them picking a center in 1919? I think a 100 years later he would be too old

Sorry - I just couldn't resist.

 

[Merlin]

I’m beginning to think the real problem is that the blocking scheme requires a certain type of player. They value mobility to fit the scheme but as we’ve seen mobility isn’t crap if guys can’t block. That’s why Edwards is better than Noteboom despite not having good lateral movement. He can actually hold a block. This is something Blythe can struggle with too. I had them picking a center in 1919. He’d likely be ready by now.

I think we could have an entire thread about the fit in scheme, but also the fact that the Rams are changing it up in the run game now. Edwards and Corbett both look pretty good in duo for example. They have definitely mashed a bit this year and it makes teams need to prepare for more than just stacking the outside zone.

DCs can't look at this offense right now and say "all we have to shut down is that outside zone." Because to do that you stack the edges and this OL will open holes up the gut more often than not.

It's kind of funny to me at least, the way Edwards isn't that ideal fit they wanted but it doesn't matter. And with him and Corbett inside they aren't dominant (due to Center) but they're definitely good enough to pound the rock on the interior, which may be the biggest advantage of all. Hear that silence? Yeah that's where all that BS about the 6-1 front being McVay's kryptonite used to be.

 

[JonRam99]

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