Terrell Lewis thread

[kurtfaulk]

I mean I soured on matthews with the whole rams owe me during the pandemic thing

But he got to the QB on the regular .... there must be a vet pass rusher you can put on on 3rd and long out there somewhere

i soured on matthews when i saw qbs and rbs run around him like he's not there.

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[UKram]

i soured on matthews when i saw qbs and rbs run around him like he's not there.

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Whic is why you put him in on 3rd and long and tell him to rush the passer 8 sacks last year and he missed a few games with a broken jaw ...

I’m not saying I want matthews back ... I’m saying get us a pass rushing specialist vet that can take advantage of AD getting double teamed because ain’t no one else doing it right now

 

[TexasRam]

 

[ProGen]

Stats aside...we definitely need a pass rusher to help out AD and the secondary. Otherwise, this D is gonna lose us a lot of games.

 

[fearsomefour]

Hollins had a sack on on Allen until Allen facemasked him

Fully expect to see Hollins getting more and more snaps.

 

[fearsomefour]

Stats aside...we definitely need a pass rusher to help out AD and the secondary. Otherwise, this D is gonna lose us a lot of games.

This is why being disciplined and tackling is so important for this defense.
The D doesn’t have many dynamic play makers at this point.
Controlling the run game and making tackles becomes paramount if you don’t have guys who are going to make splash plays.
A receiver catching a shallow cross six yards down field on a third and 8.....the cover guy has to make the tackle.
It will be interesting to see where the D goes.
Bad weeks with this group are to be expected.
The first two weeks were good.
The Giants are the worst O in football at this point.
It will be a fail if the Giants reach 20 points.

 

[PhillyRam]

I should have just placed this article in your previously started thread. Yes, I see no reason to keep Samson Ebukam in as a starter any longer. He will be a UFA when this season concludes. Ebukam is not needed in LA. I was impressed by last year's preseason performance by OLB'er Natrez Patrick.

Rams have both starting ER/OLB'ers designated as UFA's in March 2021. I would think by now it's evident that Polite & Okoronkwo just do not have the talent & skills to play in the NFL. This is Okoronkwo 3rd season & Polite's 2nd. Og's is a well-decorated NCAA player & was a starter in college since he was a sophomore, thus he does have a ton of experience in overall games. Polite was one serious dynamic top pass rusher in 2018 for the Gators. Maybe broken up slow Justin Lawler could be gotten on the phone after he was released.

As for the future into the next draft.......sure appears that OLB'ers/ER's will be one of the top needs for this Rams team. Aaron Donald sure needs some decent help before his prime time in the NFL is up. Right now AD is playing between Ebukam & SJ-D most of the time.

I think we need a DL with some pass rush juice. Another DT that can be disruptive. Our guys ate nice try hard types, but Gaines & Day should be your 4th or 5th guy at best and Brockers is cooked.

They need two quick twitch DLers that can create havoc and help Donald.

 

[Psycho_X]

A Terrell Lewis emergence would be AMAZING...but i'm absolutely not counting on it.

Yeah counting on a rookie for anything is usually a foolhardy endeavor so I'm very cautiously optimistic. But I'm not looking for a 10+ sack season from the rook. Really if he can just provide SOME pressure... ANY pressure from the outside while tackling well on the chances he gets I'll be happy. Basically just looking for some production instead of no production lol.

 

[fearsomefour]

I think we need a DL with some pass rush juice. Another DT that can be disruptive. Our guys ate nice try hard types, but Gaines & Day should be your 4th or 5th guy at best and Brockers is cooked.

They need two quick twitch DLers that can create havoc and help Donald.

And how do we track them down?
Those players are always high priority come draft day. Same with OLB who have legit rushing skills.
I wanted the Rams to sign Harris from the Broncos this off season.
He basically can play 2 to 3 downs in a row before needing a rest based on their rotation.
He only signed for like $1.5 M or something.
Joseph-Day and Gaines are rotational DL.
Still growing as well.
Brockers, we will see.
Not having a first round pick really lowers the odds of tracking down a true impact pass rusher, regardless of what position they play.

 

[jap]

I was really hoping that having a disruptive NT like A'Shawn who would require 2-3 blockers to control him would have loosened some of the ridiculous attention Aaron gets from opposing blockers. With A'Shawn sidelined for now, it is like last season when our Kraken! was constantly being double-, triple-, & quadruple-teamed with virtually no one taking advantage of the opportunities he provides.

 

[BonifayRam]

And how do we track them down?
Those players are always high priority come draft day. Same with OLB who have legit rushing skills.
I wanted the Rams to sign Harris from the Broncos this offseason.
He basically can play 2 to 3 downs in a row before needing a rest based on their rotation.
He only signed for like $1.5 M or something.
Joseph-Day and Gaines are rotational DL.
Still growing as well.
Brockers, we will see.
Not having a first-round pick really lowers the odds of tracking down a true impact pass rusher, regardless of what position they play.

Your right on the Rams chances of finding 34 DL (5 & 3 techs) help for Aaron Donald from this upcoming draft without a first-round selection again.

This is where the ultra-high cost payments loss of 3 draft selections (2020 1st-round pick, 2021 1st-round pick & 2021 4th-round pick) just for his services for 3/4 quarters of the 2019 seasons. To then follow-up to award paying him to be the highest-paid DB. Thus far it does appear to me now that its questionable if that was the best route to go after these first 3 gms. Right now Ramsey is very good but far from what was paid for him. Having a Troy Hill starting helps Ramsey look very good overall.

I do think that Snead should be able to track down & find college 34 D edge rushers in this upcoming draft with our 2nd & 3rd round 2021 selections. Let's hope that @ least one of the signed ERs for 2021 .....Og Okoronkwo, Jachai Polite, Natrez Patrick, Justin Hollins, or IR'd Justin Lawler can improve & earn one of the ER starting posts with Terrell Lewis. I should add this that I do believe that Polite can be an effective top reserve pass rusher anywhere on the front five DL if he was given more snaps.

Rams have large $$$ contracts invested in 3 interior DL'ers Brockers, Robinson & Donald only one @ this time is working well. The 4 other backup DLers Morgan Fox, Sebastian Joseph-Day, Greg Gaines & Eric Banks have done very little to help in the 3 first gms.

 

[So Ram]

I was thinking earlier this morning that I wanted to discuss Samson Ebukam with a new thread, lucky I found this article & lucky too that it discusses what a pathetic performance Ebukam has turned in in the first 3 games. I am on record here @ ROD on Ebukam that he was going to have a high performance 2020season.

I also found that Og Okoronkwo snaps have been non-effective too. It's obvious to me that the Rams front five posts have many defenders who are not performing anything close to being an effective NFL player.

Samson Ebukam is ranked dead last (109th) in edge defenders per PFF with an overall grade of 39.6.

Leonard Floyd is ranked 70th.

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo is ranked 90th.

I sure would prefer to see Ebukam benched & his starting post filled by a trio of defenders rookie Lewis, Polite & Natrez Patrick.

sort of sad, before this pandemic The Rams by my shock cut CLAY MATTHEWS. Who is a local family man.

I was thinking earlier this morning that I wanted to discuss Samson Ebukam with a new thread, lucky I found this article & lucky too that it discusses what a pathetic performance Ebukam has turned in in the first 3 games. I am on record here @ ROD on Ebukam that he was going to have a high performance 2020season.

I also found that Og Okoronkwo snaps have been non-effective too. It's obvious to me that the Rams front five posts have many defenders who are not performing anything close to being an effective NFL player.

Samson Ebukam is ranked dead last (109th) in edge defenders per PFF with an overall grade of 39.6.

Leonard Floyd is ranked 70th.

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo is ranked 90th.

I sure would prefer to see Ebukam benched & his starting post filled by a trio of defenders rookie Lewis, Polite & Natrez Patrick.

I’ll start a different post on my opinion on defense. I have not addressed the defense really because I have always backed the offensive side.
The defense is a whole other animal that needs to be addressed,but seriously is complicated. Now that I have something more to go on it makes it a little easier. The change has been huge,plus this pandemic with no offseason brings thoughts.

Bonified always good to see your post & Like your imput. We break things down & not afraid to have our own opinions.
My take right now is the same as it was last year with The Offensive Line. I’m actually getting pissed thinking about it. I know other people will disagree & have had other thoughts.

MCVAY MESSED UP again. No disrespect to him,but once again he dropped the ball on something I think he has tried to accomplish??

Salary Cap hit & Snead ??

so all that being said T. Lewis should be a solid Ram. who knows though. My point will be made(post) will be made soon. A Big RANT!!! Peace

 

[fearsomefour]

Yeah counting on a rookie for anything is usually a foolhardy endeavor so I'm very cautiously optimistic. But I'm not looking for a 10+ sack season from the rook. Really if he can just provide SOME pressure... ANY pressure from the outside while tackling well on the chances he gets I'll be happy. Basically just looking for some production instead of no production lol.

Your right on the Rams chances of finding 34 DL (5 & 3 techs) help for Aaron Donald from this upcoming draft without a first-round selection again.

This is where the ultra-high cost payments loss of 3 draft selections (2020 1st-round pick, 2021 1st-round pick & 2021 4th-round pick) just for his services for 3/4 quarters of the 2019 seasons. To then follow-up to award paying him to be the highest-paid DB. Thus far it does appear to me now that its questionable if that was the best route to go after these first 3 gms. Right now Ramsey is very good but far from what was paid for him. Having a Troy Hill starting helps Ramsey look very good overall.

I do think that Snead should be able to track down & find college 34 D edge rushers in this upcoming draft with our 2nd & 3rd round 2021 selections. Let's hope that @ least one of the signed ERs for 2021 .....Og Okoronkwo, Jachai Polite, Natrez Patrick, Justin Hollins, or IR'd Justin Lawler can improve & earn one of the ER starting posts with Terrell Lewis. I should add this that I do believe that Polite can be an effective top reserve pass rusher anywhere on the front five DL if he was given more snaps.

Rams have large $$$ contracts invested in 3 interior DL'ers Brockers, Robinson & Donald only one @ this time is working well. The 4 other backup DLers Morgan Fox, Sebastian Joseph-Day, Greg Gaines & Eric Banks have done very little to help in the 3 first gms.

I don’t think we expects much pass rush from Gaines, Jospeh-Day, Fox or Brockers.
The best of those candidates would appear to be Brockers and Day. Brockers has never been a great rusher and Day has shown no new wrinkles after being hyped this offseason.
The Rams don’t need to find JJ Watt or Von Miller in their prime, although that would be nice.
But, I think they would be able to find a player or a mix of players to get production like Fowler got.
Ebukam got 4.5 sacks last year.
Nothing this year.
For all his hype Oko has shown zero development as a pass rusher.
Time will tell, but, without blitzing or someone stepping up big time this year this has to be priority number one this offseason.

 

[BonifayRam]

I know for a fact that this is a lie. Jachai Polite had a QB hit on Dak Prescott on his only snap versus Dallas. He also drew or should have drawn a facemask penalty on the play (and would have had a sack if not for the penalty).

I still hold very high hopes about Polite jrry. I just believe he needs a larger opportunity to showcase his pass-rushing skills.

I don’t think we expects much pass rush from Gaines, Jospeh-Day, Fox or Brockers.
The best of those candidates would appear to be Brockers and Day. Brockers has never been a great rusher and Day has shown no new wrinkles after being hyped this offseason.
The Rams don’t need to find JJ Watt or Von Miller in their prime, although that would be nice.
But, I think they would be able to find a player or a mix of players to get production like Fowler got.
Ebukam got 4.5 sacks last year.
Nothing this year.
For all his hype Oko has shown zero development as a pass rusher.
Time will tell, but, without blitzing or someone stepping up big time this year this has to be priority number one this offseason.

Og might be having issues figuring out his new 2020 duties. He sure looked better late last season. Staley might have him thinking way too much?

The Ravens sure did not like what they saw physically after they signed Brockers earlier this year. Brockers might be showing his age & time in the pits. But he is still better than any other Ram signed DL'ers besides Donald. It might be time to dress Eric Banks.

 

[Merlin]

Whic is why you put him in on 3rd and long and tell him to rush the passer 8 sacks last year and he missed a few games with a broken jaw ...

I’m not saying I want matthews back ... I’m saying get us a pass rushing specialist vet that can take advantage of AD getting double teamed because ain’t no one else doing it right now

It's not a ridiculous suggestion. Matthews does have some pass rush ability still, but he is a disaster on contain. It's not like our OLB room is full of guys you'd be afraid to cut in order to make room for him.

But that said I'd like to see Polite get a look. It's not like Ebukam is doing a damn thing out there not even contain. Division rivals are lickin their chops seeing his film.

Either way they need to bench Ebu at this point. He's not a starter. He's not the guy. Obo looks like ass too, but hasn't had as many looks as Ebu has. I'd roll Obo and Polite out there in the next couple games and see how they do.

For now and since Lewis is still on IR, it doesn't look realistic to think he's going to help us. I have a few reasons that I'm not on the Lewis hype train and will leave it at that and hope I'm wrong.

 

[So Ram]

I still hold very high hopes about Polite jrry. I just believe he needs a larger opportunity to showcase his pass-rushing skills.

Og might be having issues figuring out his new 2020 duties. He sure looked better late last season. Staley might have him thinking way too much?

The Ravens sure did not like what they saw physically after they signed Brockers earlier this year. Brockers might be showing his age & time in the pits. But he is still better than any other Ram signed DL'ers besides Donald. It might be time to dress Eric Banks.

that’s silly of you to think Brockers is not a Key to The Rams defense right now. Robinson was suppose to be a big part of this Rams defense & it shows how inexperienced this unit is.

 

[BonifayRam]

It's not a ridiculous suggestion. Matthews does have some pass rush ability still, but he is a disaster on contain. It's not like our OLB room is full of guys you'd be afraid to cut in order to make room for him.

But that said I'd like to see Polite get a look. It's not like Ebukam is doing a damn thing out there not even contain. Division rivals are lickin their chops seeing his film.

Either way they need to bench Ebu at this point. He's not a starter. He's not the guy. Obo looks like ass too, but hasn't had as many looks as Ebu has. I'd roll Obo and Polite out there in the next couple games and see how they do.

For now and since Lewis is still on IR, it doesn't look realistic to think he's going to help us. I have a few reasons that I'm not on the Lewis hype train and will leave it at that and hope I'm wrong.

New Ram ER Floyd is not close being the pass-rushing threat as ER Fowler was & is. No idea why Ebukam has decided to take a hike but he is a mess out there on the field a true Target for OC's.

Not sure why ILB'er Young turned in such a poor performance last Sunday & having to use Justin Hollins with Young @ ILB'er might change if Young can play better. Hollins looks to be the best replacement for the starter Ebukam IMO.

If Rookie Fuller is healthy enough to start then I would hope that Rapp/Young will be assigned the WS ILB'er post. Rapp had a very poor game. When the Bills OC/Allen was able to target Rapp, Allen went 4 of 4 for 62 yards and a touchdown for a perfect 158.3 passer rating. Rapp showcased his lack of understanding of the new Staley defense. Rapp playing a big part in pass defense from one of the DB posts @ this time should not happen.

 

[So Ram]

It's not a ridiculous suggestion. Matthews does have some pass rush ability still, but he is a disaster on contain. It's not like our OLB room is full of guys you'd be afraid to cut in order to make room for him.

But that said I'd like to see Polite get a look. It's not like Ebukam is doing a damn thing out there not even contain. Division rivals are lickin their chops seeing his film.

Either way they need to bench Ebu at this point. He's not a starter. He's not the guy. Obo looks like ass too, but hasn't had as many looks as Ebu has. I'd roll Obo and Polite out there in the next couple games and see how they do.

For now and since Lewis is still on IR, it doesn't look realistic to think he's going to help us. I have a few reasons that I'm not on the Lewis hype train and will leave it at that and hope I'm wrong.

Once again I’m going to disagree with you.
I guess that is the post I was going to start. It shows Clay is missed. Ebukham played well with Clay late last season in rotation.I go back to Mcvay F”up last year. IMo - I drink a lot of Kool-aide thinking the coaches know best. In this case as of last season I see the same comparisons.

Then again it is still earlier & there is a lot of X & O’s when it comes to if this happened & that happened. It’s a little Monday Night QBing,but I’ve had my views & have changed them.

Clay vs. Gurley ? I take Clay & thought cutting Gurley was the right move.
When Clay spoke out against The Rams paying him I could tell he was hurt. The Rams missed trusted in him.

Mcvay ?? 2 years in a row ?? Snead?? Demoff?? I don’t know how they come to cutting him ??

 

[Merlin]

New Ram ER Floyd is not close being the pass-rushing threat as ER Fowler was & is. No idea why Ebukam has decided to take a hike but he is a mess out there on the field a true Target for OC's.

Not sure why ILB'er Young turned in such a poor performance last Sunday & having to use Justin Hollins with Young @ ILB'er might change if Young can play better. Hollins looks to be the best replacement for the starter Ebukam IMO.

If Rookie Fuller is healthy enough to start then I would hope that Rapp/Young will be assigned the WS ILB'er post. Rapp had a very poor game. When the Bills OV was able to target Rapp, Allen went 4 of 4 for 62 yards and a touchdown for a perfect 158.3 passer rating.

I chalk it up to roster quality Boni. And don't kid yourself re: Floyd... The Rams knew they weren't getting an elite rusher and the contract they paid him reflects that. They overpaid for a scheme fit to ensure they had a good strong side contain. And I'm not unhappy with Floyd btw, he's a good strong side OLB.

But that blindside is just lacking in talent and it shows. Obo may be better served off ball tbh, his film in college had both that and rushing. He's more an all-around backer than a pure rusher. He'll get more looks I'm sure but early returns aren't good he should be flashing by now if he's gonna do something for us.

Polite is more of a pure rusher. And I like his instincts on the rush the guy knows how to set the edge and go. But his contain may look bad too.

At this point Staley may need to make some schematic adjustments with more A gap threats and some zone blitz mixed in to give his front an edge. It's a talent problem IMO.

Oh and btw I'm with you on Rapp playing WILB. Been saying that too, in fact expected it but Fuller getting dinged up probably derailed all that from developing.

 

[BonifayRam]

that’s silly of you to think Brockers is not a Key to The Rams defense right now. Robinson was suppose to be a big part of this Rams defense & it shows how inexperienced this unit is.

If you have time you might want to re-read my above post & comments on Brockers. I am sure I never came close to stating Brockers was not playing a key role in this new defense. But I can be silly @ times. The Rams main five DL this season, an average of 5 seasons worth of experience. I would not consider that as an inexperienced NFL DL.