Talking Tutu (many of) you!

[Angry Ram]

He panicked when he picked Lewis. He looked like he shot himself right before that pick.

Snead doesn’t walk on water. He’s made his share of mistakes and mediocre picks.

That’s flawed thinking when we know that a GM and staff have to gamble on picks every year. Snead is included in that. Otherwise every player would be chosen in order of talent from round 1 to round 7. No misses.

Think about this too. Trading picks for proven talent is a good strategy. I’ve been behind it since Snead started doing it. Why did he do it? Because proven talent is better than high draft picks that can end up being useless. He knows he isn’t guaranteed to make the best picks. It’s almost like admitting it. Some GMs think Snead is afraid to make first round picks anymore. It was in an article in the Athletic a few months ago. Non of these GMs are above reproach.

Oh lord. I've been saying this about the draft for years now. These people know what they are doing.

These thoughts only exist b/c they passed on the chosen one (of a low value position) in favor of someone else.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

Oh lord. I've been saying this about the draft for years now. These people know what they are doing.

These thoughts only exist b/c they passed on the chosen one (of a low value position) in favor of someone else.

Angry Ram,
I can agree with your comment that Snead and Coach Mac deserve the benefit of the doubt and I also don't buy the narrative that they panicked and grabbed Atwell because of what Seattle did.
But are you saying that the Center position is of "low value?"
I can't agree with that at all......many say it's the most important position outside of OLT for the offensive line.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Oh lord. I've been saying this about the draft for years now. These people know what they are doing.

These thoughts only exist b/c they passed on the chosen one (of a low value position) in favor of someone else.

I can’t take the nonsense. Cya around.

 

[Picked4td]

Oh lord. I've been saying this about the draft for years now. These people know what they are doing.

These thoughts only exist b/c they passed on the chosen one (of a low value position) in favor of someone else.

horrible way to look at it, imo. teams make mistakes all the time, hence why theres even a thing called busts. sure mcvay and snead deserve benefit of the doubt but its not like they havent had bad picks too

for the record, i actually like tutu talent and skill set and think he could be something in the nfl, but i also think it was an awful pick considering the wrs we already had and resources already spent on them. the fact creed has played so well doesnt help either

 

[Angry Ram]

Angry Ram,
I can agree with your comment that Snead and Coach Mac deserve the benefit of the doubt and I also don't buy the narrative that they panicked and grabbed Atwell because of what Seattle did.
But are you saying that the Center position is of "low value?"
I can't agree with that at all......many say it's the most important position outside of OLT for the offensive line.

~ArkyRamsFan~

There are a number of positions that are low value, and center is one of them along w/ safety, linebacker (in modern NFL), guard, NT. Maybe the better way to look at it how fans are overvaluing the position. In all my years of following football, I've never seen so much talk over this position. LT, sure b/c the "blindside blocker" narrative was plastered all over every tv screen in April since that cringe movie came out.

How many centers are taken in drafts? An average of 10 per year the past decade. Out of 256 picks. If it was as high value as what is said, why aren't more taken, and not only that, why aren't more taken early?

Most of these center guys are late round picks or undrafted guys, go from team to team, be a decent player for 3 - 4 years and then they move on. You have guys like Corey Linsley, Rodney Hudson, Frank Ragnow as some of the best for a few years, but honestly what is the difference? The Chargers had a good offense pre-Corey Linsley and after Corey Linsley. Same with Packers and their replacement for Corey. You can still have good line play, but don't need the to invest in the center spot. Most will be able to get you by.

These guys are replaceable. 32 teams, and only a small handful of good. The vast majority of JAG level, but they can get you by while you focus on more important positions like QB, WR, or CB.

Forget the Super Bowl for a minute. When you think about it, how is it that the offense was so damn good, even with a center like Brian Allen? How much better would've been with Frank Ragnow? I could argue it wouldn't have been much different, in that you would get the same results. A high powered offense. That's what I'm getting at, centers are just mostly JAG level players.

I can’t take the nonsense. Cya around.

Yeah, b/c my view is different, it's labeled nonsense. Been there, read that before.

Peace.

horrible way to look at it, imo. teams make mistakes all the time, hence why theres even a thing called busts. sure mcvay and snead deserve benefit of the doubt but its not like they havent had bad picks too

for the record, i actually like tutu talent and skill set and think he could be something in the nfl, but i also think it was an awful pick considering the wrs we already had and resources already spent on them. the fact creed has played so well doesnt help either

This isn't about GMs making mistakes. I don't care anymore what they do or who they pick, or if their pick doesn't work out. My whole thing is I can't imagine Sean McVay and Les Snead sitting there "panicking" over a 2nd round draft pick.

Sean - "ok, Les, ready? Let's get ready to take this guy. Get his phone # ready"

Les - "oh shit oh shit oh shit, the team in front of us took him! What do we do? WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO?!?"

Sean - "IDK IDK, you got anyone else?!"

Les - "I'm looking!"

Sean - "HURRY UP ONLY A COUPLE MORE MINUTES!"

Les - "Oh shit, OK, oh let's take this guy!"

See how ridiculous that sounds?

But it's also pretty obvious, everyone's "guys" wasn't taken (and if you followed the signs, you know they weren't from the start), so hey this is what you get.

Fuckin hell. I really despise what the draft has become.

 

[Picked4td]

There are a number of positions that are low value, and center is one of them along w/ safety, linebacker (in modern NFL), guard, NT. Maybe the better way to look at it how fans are overvaluing the position. In all my years of following football, I've never seen so much talk over this position. LT, sure b/c the "blindside blocker" narrative was plastered all over every tv screen in April since that cringe movie came out.

How many centers are taken in drafts? An average of 10 per year the past decade. Out of 256 picks. If it was as high value as what is said, why aren't more taken, and not only that, why aren't more taken early?

Most of these center guys are late round picks or undrafted guys, go from team to team, be a decent player for 3 - 4 years and then they move on. You have guys like Corey Linsley, Rodney Hudson, Frank Ragnow as some of the best for a few years, but honestly what is the difference? The Chargers had a good offense pre-Corey Linsley and after Corey Linsley. Same with Packers and their replacement for Corey. You can still have good line play, but don't need the to invest in the center spot. Most will be able to get you by.

These guys are replaceable. 32 teams, and only a small handful of good. The vast majority of JAG level, but they can get you by while you focus on more important positions like QB, WR, or CB.

Forget the Super Bowl for a minute. When you think about it, how is it that the offense was so damn good, even with a center like Brian Allen? How much better would've been with Frank Ragnow? I could argue it wouldn't have been much different, in that you would get the same results. A high powered offense. That's what I'm getting at, centers are just mostly JAG level players.



Yeah, b/c my view is different, it's labeled nonsense. Been there, read that before.

Peace.



This isn't about GMs making mistakes. I don't care anymore what they do or who they pick, or if their pick doesn't work out. My whole thing is I can't imagine Sean McVay and Les Snead sitting there "panicking" over a 2nd round draft pick.

Sean - "ok, Les, ready? Let's get ready to take this guy. Get his phone # ready"

Les - "oh shit oh shit oh shit, the team in front of us took him! What do we do? WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO?!?"

Sean - "IDK IDK, you got anyone else?!"

Les - "I'm looking!"

Sean - "HURRY UP ONLY A COUPLE MORE MINUTES!"

Les - "Oh shit, OK, oh let's take this guy!"

See how ridiculous that sounds?

But it's also pretty obvious, everyone's "guys" wasn't taken (and if you followed the signs, you know they weren't from the start), so hey this is what you get.

guess i misunderstood your standpoint. i agree, dont think they panicked with the pick, just the wrong pick considering the situation imo

 

[Angry Ram]

guess i misunderstood your standpoint. i agree, dont think they panicked with the pick, just the wrong pick considering the situation imo

All good bro.

FWIW, I'm not pro/anti anybody over a draft pick. Although I had a feeling they were gonna take a wideout, but it didn't fit what the majority wanted. So yeah.

 

[So Ram]

All good bro.

FWIW, I'm not pro/anti anybody over a draft pick. Although I had a feeling they were gonna take a wideout, but it didn't fit what the majority wanted. So yeah.

That was a position I believed to be not as big of a priority. I actually thought OLB/DE was the biggest need. Hollins was a player I didn’t believe in. T. Lewis was hurt & knee was a major concern. OBo was going to be a FA.
MLB everyone thought Kiser was going to be the guy & Howard was coming off injury. D. Williams just got tagged. Hill & JJ43 both left for Cleveland. Brown went to Miami & The Rams didn’t have a bigger RB.
DJ1 had signed as a FA.The Rams we’re using a lot of 12 man sets with J. Mundt.
I liked L. Dickerson . I thought The Rams Would trade back Humphries was on the board & the Center position was up in the air. Kidding me ? Talk about messed up ?
Does anyone remember the situation??

Please someone remind us ?? Just curious if Ram Fans can even look back to then ? WR ?? A small WR at that ? Shocked me & I’m not a Fan of how Snisher moved up & gave draft picks for both J. Joyner & Tavon Austin. Funny that both those players got paid again so Tutu Atwell was not a bad pick in that sense if history repeats itself?

Please though does anyone remember the situation before & after the Draft? How things played out from the 2021/22 season until now couldn’t have been actually much better ? That is if you like Ram Players & there journey.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

All good bro.

FWIW, I'm not pro/anti anybody over a draft pick. Although I had a feeling they were gonna take a wideout, but it didn't fit what the majority wanted. So yeah.

I wouldn't say they panicked but probably followed their board as I'm sure these guys work hard as shit on it since we have done quite well in later rounds. I'm in the I wanted Humphrey group, but I didn't hate the Tutu pick solely because of that, but because of his size. We've literally beaten this topic to death as well as beaten the soul of it to death so I won't go into detail. The Rams hit more often than not and I'm hoping this is what this pick is at worst, a rare miss. We have who we have and I'm rooting for them to all do well. Besides, the Rams will probably draft another WR to compete in camp if one falls that they really like. They literally draft one every year lol

 

[So Ram]

My bet would be Bonifay’d Ram will be the one that remembers what Shape The Rams we’re in during the draft.

BTW - I liked the draft picks.Still do & after training camp thought it could have been Les Sneads best draft ever if you think about the picks The Rams had. —We’ll see the verdict is still out. I can see a couple surprises. The Brown Bro’s I’m counting on impressing Ram Fans 2022.I won’t go down the list, but AJ Jackson is part of it. His belly is weird.Needs to hit the weights & bulk up the right way this off-season.

 

[So Ram]

I wouldn't say they panicked but probably followed their board as I'm sure these guys work hard as shit on it since we have done quite well in later rounds. I'm in the I wanted Humphrey group, but I didn't hate the Tutu pick solely because of that, but because of his size. We've literally beaten this topic to death as well as beaten the soul of it to death so I won't go into detail. The Rams hit more often than not and I'm hoping this is what this pick is at worst, a rare miss. We have who we have and I'm rooting for them to all do well. Besides, the Rams will probably draft another WR to compete in camp if one falls that they really like. They literally draft one every year lol

Well - The Rams like you said,stick to there draft board. Mcvay was & is excited about Tutu Atwell.I think Ram Fans will be big time surprised & more Crow that will go around.

Looking back though Brandon Powell was sure a season changer. The Rams didn’t have a KR/PR guy. Tutu Atwell was looked at as a player that might be able to.

Harris & Sko really make it tough to think about another WR making the squad. Special teams though plays a part. Powell will be added on a ling list of WR’s going into OTA’s

The Rams will have Perkins & Wolford already throwing a lot of passes. 7 on 7 will be big. I think Raheem Morris loves it.I look for a couple DB’s to be drafted. RR31 was the only DB & he is another that is easy to forget in the 2021 draft class.

 

[Angry Ram]

That was a position I believed to be not as big of a priority. I actually thought OLB/DE was the biggest need. Hollins was a player I didn’t believe in. T. Lewis was hurt & knee was a major concern. OBo was going to be a FA.
MLB everyone thought Kiser was going to be the guy & Howard was coming off injury. D. Williams just got tagged. Hill & JJ43 both left for Cleveland. Brown went to Miami & The Rams didn’t have a bigger RB.
DJ1 had signed as a FA.The Rams we’re using a lot of 12 man sets with J. Mundt.
I liked L. Dickerson . I thought The Rams Would trade back Humphries was on the board & the Center position was up in the air. Kidding me ? Talk about messed up ?
Does anyone remember the situation??

They were unlikely to take a pass rusher too in the 2nd round. They had already drafted Terrell Lewis and signed Leonard Floyd. Plus they already had Samson, Double O, and Justin Hollins to rotate in. They had plenty of guys ,and a rookie in the late 2nd wasn't magically going to make them over the top. Hell Von Miller couldn't do that until he got acclimated.

I wouldn't say they panicked but probably followed their board as I'm sure these guys work hard as shit on it since we have done quite well in later rounds. I'm in the I wanted Humphrey group, but I didn't hate the Tutu pick solely because of that, but because of his size. We've literally beaten this topic to death as well as beaten the soul of it to death so I won't go into detail. The Rams hit more often than not and I'm hoping this is what this pick is at worst, a rare miss. We have who we have and I'm rooting for them to all do well. Besides, the Rams will probably draft another WR to compete in camp if one falls that they really like. They literally draft one every year lol

Yup. WRs, corners, and in some cases pass rushers are the 2 main groups taken. Especially early. Then later you'll get the linemen, if the team feels they need the body.

This year being in the late 3rd, but I'm pretty sure they'll take a corner w/ their 1st pick, then a tackle, and possibly a TE/WR to round it out in the 5th.

 

[dieterbrock]

Thought I'd add a new angle on this topic,
Has anyone brought up that we could have drafted Creed Humphrey?




Sarcasm meter on high

 

[Mojo Ram]

You are way off base.
Ask Cinci about that Super Bowl win they just had....oh, mean they DIDN'T have because of their Oline. Oline and to a lesser extent, the DLine are not glamor positions, but they are THE most important parts of a team. Without protection and Dline hunters, those fancy skill players are getting killed.

But...
Isn't it possible and likely probable that if Cincy's OL had been acquired, coached and nurtured through the Rams' program that they'd be a better unit than they are? Our OL has been largely effective for years despite being a bunch of no names. JAG's who were in a quality program. I think the OL would have looked even better if our former QB was better in the pocket. Different conversation there.

Anyway.
Aside from LT the Rams don't believe in moving mountains to field an (ultimately)expensive room of five All Pro's up front. They will continue to sculpt and mold the OL without it ever becoming a financial burden that would take away from their ability to field the very best at QB, WR, CB, pass rush etc.

This isn't going to change under Snead/McV. Why should it?

The Cardinals went out and got the best veteran Center available in FA a year ago. Murray's pocket looked like shit and he ran out of it half the time anyway.

@Loyal, We're good...

 

[Loyal]

But...
Isn't it possible and likely probable that if Cincy's OL had been acquired, coached and nurtured through the Rams' program that they'd be a better unit than they are? Our OL has been largely effective for years despite being a bunch of no names. JAG's who were in a quality program. I think the OL would have looked even better if our former QB was better in the pocket. Different conversation there.

Anyway.
Aside from LT the Rams don't believe in moving mountains to field an (ultimately)expensive room of five All Pro's up front. They will continue to sculpt and mold the OL without it ever becoming a financial burden that would take away from their ability to field the very best at QB, WR, CB, pass rush etc.

This isn't going to change under Snead/McV. Why should it?

The Cardinals went out and got the best veteran Center available in FA a year ago. Murray's pocket looked like shit and he ran out of it half the time anyway.

@Loyal, We're good...

As long as we’re ok with Brian Allen getting punked every once in a while because he was overpowered more than once by different. DT’s. And Humphreys might become an all pro, on a rookie contract

Now as Opus from Bloom County might say, “Boy, pit me an olive….”

 

[Angry Ram]

Thought I'd add a new angle on this topic,
Has anyone brought up that we could have drafted Creed Humphrey?




Sarcasm meter on high

Is Forrest Lamp still available?

 

[PARAM]

As long as we’re ok with Brian Allen getting punked every once in a while because he was overpowered more than once by different. DT’s. And Humphreys might become an all pro, on a rookie contract

I for one, am okay with winning the Superbowl without Creed Humphrey. Without Josh Myers, Matt Hennessey or Lloyd Cushenberry for that matter. All offensive centers who many Ram fans wanted and were available when we were drafting RBs and WRs. One thing I've realized watching the NFL draft. You can only draft one player per selection.

 

[Loyal]

I for one, am okay with winning the Superbowl without Creed Humphrey. Without Josh Myers, Matt Hennessey or Lloyd Cushenberry for that matter. All offensive centers who many Ram fans wanted and were available when we were drafting RBs and WRs. One thing I've realized watching the NFL draft. You can only draft one player per selection.

The sad part is that this thread is about TUTU and we won the Super Bowl without his help as well. So now we have established that neither Creed nor Tutu helped us win a Super Bowl. We are straight.

 

[PARAM]

The sad part is that this thread is about TUTU and we won the Super Bowl without his help as well. So now we have established that neither Creed nor Tutu helped us win a Super Bowl. We are straight.

Oh come on!! This thread is about drafting Tutu INSTEAD of Creed Humphrey.......as is every Tutu thread on every Rams site. But of course there's always the option to say, "this is a Tutu thread...".

The overwhelming theory is drafting Tutu prevented the Rams from drafting Creed, when the facts are what prevented the Rams from drafting Humphrey were Brian Allen and Coleman Shelton.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

But...
Isn't it possible and likely probable that if Cincy's OL had been acquired, coached and nurtured through the Rams' program that they'd be a better unit than they are? Our OL has been largely effective for years despite being a bunch of no names. JAG's who were in a quality program. I think the OL would have looked even better if our former QB was better in the pocket. Different conversation there.

Anyway.
Aside from LT the Rams don't believe in moving mountains to field an (ultimately)expensive room of five All Pro's up front. They will continue to sculpt and mold the OL without it ever becoming a financial burden that would take away from their ability to field the very best at QB, WR, CB, pass rush etc.

This isn't going to change under Snead/McV. Why should it?

The Cardinals went out and got the best veteran Center available in FA a year ago. Murray's pocket looked like shit and he ran out of it half the time anyway.

@Loyal, We're good...

Edwards would have been drafted much higher if not injured. Havenstein is a stud. The only jags were really Corbett(2nd round) and Allen.