Talking Tutu (many of) you!

[Rams43]

Sorry Avenger, but my constant criticism is more directed at the decision to draft him over the obvious need meeting talent in Creed Humphries. I am not at all convinced that Tutu will even make the 53 man roster this year. He's not a return man because that's Brandon Powell's job, and he doesn't break into the top 4 or even 5 WR's in the Rams WR room. Although McSnead does so well in other places, they have a blind spot in valuing inside lbers and interior linemen in the draft, it seems to me, and it drives me nuts every time I see that Humphries is doing so well, and we HAD him for the taking if we wanted.

I want Tutu to prove me wrong, but unfortunately, I'm not worried about that happening.

‘What Loyal said.

Nothing personal, but Atwell was NOT the best possible pick for Rams at #57. Sorry.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Seattle's dynasty? What dynasty? Their team fell apart when the Legion of Boom fell apart.

Nobody said "the line doesn't matter".

It is a luxury. If you have all the weapons you desire, it's a great luxury.

The argument is full of holes? Yet that HOF Center saw 62 players get drafted before he was....meaning 30 teams pasted over him twice and 2 teams once. The Rams said, "we don't need a center" and lo and behold, they won the Superbowl!!!! But it was wrong. Tutu will never be a weapon. The Rams made a huge mistake passing over Humphrey.......because a certain faction of fans believed, a) they needed a center; b) he could have helped them win the SB and c) now they're fucked because they passed on him.

Which argument is full of holes?

Yours. Nobody said they needed Humphrey to win a Superbowl. That’s ludicrous. Atwell contributed a lot didn’t he ?Which was the better pick. That’s the question. It’s pretty plain to see at this point.

Snead makes mistakes. He’s done it in the past and he did it last year. The guy on locked on Rams claims that it was going around that McVay didn’t like the pick. So, how is it so wrong for fans not to like it.? I didn’t like the Tavon pick. I didn’t like passing on Wagner. Am I wrong about those or are you still holding out hope for Isaiah Pead to make a comeback? I don’t have to like a single pick Snead makes. I’m entitled to my opinion so making up some story that you don’t need a great center to win a Super Bowl is pointless. Foles proved you don’t need a good QB to win a Super Bowl. Is that some kind of overlying truth about how to construct a football team? Nope, Neither is your center argument.

 

[AvengerRam]

‘What Loyal said.

Nothing personal, but Atwell was NOT the best possible pick for Rams at #57. Sorry.

That’s an interesting odd comment, given that I neither have a personal stake in this, nor do I believe Tutu was the best option at #57.

 

[Angry Ram]

The guy on locked on Rams Podcast just said the rumor was that McVay wasn’t happy about the pick.
Maybe Snead got outsmarted or locked into his pick that he was sure would be there and had to scramble for another pick. Kind of like he was sure nobody was picking Wagner at the next few picks, when he traded.

*Rumor*

Not being happy w/ a pick vs. "panicking" are 2 different things. And it's a *rumor* I'm not buying. I have a hard time believing pros w/ their track record in player decisions "panicked" over a 2nd round draft pick.

 

[PARAM]

Yours. Nobody said they needed Humphrey to win a Superbowl. That’s ludicrous. Atwell contributed a lot didn’t he ?Which was the better pick. That’s the question. It’s pretty plain to see at this point.

So, how is it so wrong for fans not to like it.?

I’m entitled to my opinion so making up some story that you don’t need a great center to win a Super Bowl is pointless. Foles proved you don’t need a good QB to win a Super Bowl. Is that some kind of overlying truth about how to construct a football team? Nope, Neither is your center argument.

Okay let's do this the logical way.

The Rams had Kupp, Woods, Jefferson and had signed DJax (historically a malcontent) at WR. They had Allen, Shelton and as some opined Corbett for C. I agree, Humphrey was the better pick......if they needed a C. In fact, I like many people, thought they would take him there when he was available. Because I wasn't sure about Brian Allen or Coleman Shelton. But they were. So the fact Tutu didn't do much and was injured made that the wrong pick and Humphrey the right one?

You can go back to EVERY draft and pick guys who would have been better picks than the picks that were made. So what? You can question picks that they make every year. Does that mean you.....what are you, a plumber? An electrician? A professional?.....know more than they do? Right now, even being they had a center, Tutu doesn't look like a wise pick. *Right now*. Doesn't mean Humphrey was the right one. I think Paulson Adebo might have been the better pick. Can never enough good corners and look....this year we need a corner.....and still don't need a C. Or Jalen Mayfield. Or Trey Sermon since Akers went down for the season in July. I actually wanted them to take Sermon and of course I didn't know Akers was going down.

I'll hold out and see what happens with Tutu in year 2. If he sucks, he definitely was the wrong pick. But no matter what he does, doesn't mean Humphrey was the right pick. That's on Brian Allen. If Tutu doesn't suck in year 2, this was all an unnecessary use of keyboard life. IMO, it probably was anyway.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Okay let's do this the logical way.

The Rams had Kupp, Woods, Jefferson and had signed DJax (historically a malcontent) at WR. They had Allen, Shelton and as some opined Corbett for C. I agree, Humphrey was the better pick......if they needed a C. In fact, I like many people, thought they would take him there when he was available. Because I wasn't sure about Brian Allen or Coleman Shelton. But they were. So the fact Tutu didn't do much and was injured made that the wrong pick and Humphrey the right one?

You can go back to EVERY draft and pick guys who would have been better picks than the picks that were made. So what? You can question picks that they make every year. Does that mean you.....what are you, a plumber? An electrician? A professional?.....know more than they do? Right now, even being they had a center, Tutu doesn't look like a wise pick. *Right now*. Doesn't mean Humphrey was the right one. I think Paulson Adebo might have been the better pick. Can never enough good corners and look....this year we need a corner.....and still don't need a C. Or Jalen Mayfield. Or Trey Sermon since Akers went down for the season in July. I actually wanted them to take Sermon and of course I didn't know Akers was going down.

I'll hold out and see what happens with Tutu in year 2. If he sucks, he definitely was the wrong pick. But no matter what he does, doesn't mean Humphrey was the right pick. That's on Brian Allen. If Tutu doesn't suck in year 2, this was all an unnecessary use of keyboard life. IMO, it probably was anyway.

You forget what the plan was at the start of training camp.

They were planning on moving Corbett, (not a cente), to center. Then put Evans at guard. They were not counting on Allen. So center kind of was a need at the time, since they were trying a guy at center that they tried there once before and ended up staying with (Blythe), who was not very good.

Evans failed. Corbett wasn’t good at center and Allen was outplaying him there. Allen surprised everyone, including the coaches. It stands to reason Humphries would have been sorely missed had Allen not stepped up. It was gamble and they got lucky.

A difference in need with Tutu is that the Rams had two very good receivers already and two other good pass catchers. Even today where does Atwell fit? Who will he take snaps away from? Nobody. McVay supposedly wasn’t even happy with the pick.

I won’t argue with you about Adebo. I liked him also and said on this thread that it’s not even about passing in Creed. Snead took Tutu way too early.

Predicting picks isn’t that hard. I don’t have to be an NFL GM to do that. Devanney really was good at it wasn’t he? GMs get picks wrong every year, even early first round picks. It’s not a science like brain surgery. Some GMs get most of the picks wrong. I have a five year college degree. It doesn’t mean I don’t make mistakes. Where did Snead go to college to get his NFL General Managers degree? Was he Val dictorian of his class? I’ll continue to question picks if I don’t like them. I’ll be right about some and wrong about others, just like the guys that get paid to make the picks.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

*Rumor*

Not being happy w/ a pick vs. "panicking" are 2 different things. And it's a *rumor* I'm not buying. I have a hard time believing pros w/ their track record in player decisions "panicked" over a 2nd round draft pick.

He panicked when he picked Lewis. He looked like he shot himself right before that pick.

Snead doesn’t walk on water. He’s made his share of mistakes and mediocre picks.

That’s flawed thinking when we know that a GM and staff have to gamble on picks every year. Snead is included in that. Otherwise every player would be chosen in order of talent from round 1 to round 7. No misses.

Think about this too. Trading picks for proven talent is a good strategy. I’ve been behind it since Snead started doing it. Why did he do it? Because proven talent is better than high draft picks that can end up being useless. He knows he isn’t guaranteed to make the best picks. It’s almost like admitting it. Some GMs think Snead is afraid to make first round picks anymore. It was in an article in the Athletic a few months ago. Non of these GMs are above reproach.

 

[oldnotdead]

Everyone loves to critique people who think outside the box. Snead is an outside the box type of thinker. His draft technique is a heavy reliance on two things. Analytics to see if he has the athletic traits they want, and film study to see how that translates on the field. Every GM misses their share of picks. To say Les is afraid of making a 1st round mistake is total BS. Snead's approach has been proven with guys like Woods, Akers, Henderson, Floyd, Fuller, Allen, Noteboom etc, etc. This roster is talent rich with much of it homegrown.

Frankly, I love their approach to scouting talent, both on the collegiate level and on the veteran level. Case in point is Jalen Ramsey vs the Seahawks and Jamal Adams. Two Super Bowls and one Lombardi in 5 years validate Les Snead's judgment and roster management. I've been saying for two years this team has a Super Bowl caliber roster. Why people want to nit pick the team's approach is mind-boggling. It works for this team in the same way Belicheat's methodology kept the Pats on top for years yet no one criticized their approach.

There is more than one road to the Super Bowl and it's up to each team to find what works for them.

 

[sloramfan]

nice post old...

go rams

slo

 

[BuffaloRam]

Donnie Avery is the best deep threat we ever had

Danario Alexander!

 

[PARAM]

You forget what the plan was at the start of training camp.

No you forgot rhe plan.
The.plan was, "we have our center.in house".....and look!!! They did. Lucky? That's your take

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Danario Alexander!

He was a beast but that duct tape holding his knees together didn't last long......shoulda used flex seal lol

 

[1maGoh]

Or you could say that the bengals got lucky. The Titans were leading up to that point. Should they even have been throwing the ball? You could credit Lou Anaro with his defensive scheme, which also stifled Mahomes, one of the best QBs in the game. So Tannehill failed and Mahomes. Do you equate one with the other?

The Chiefs were leading 21-3 at the half with a great QB and great weapons, but they lost. His point is not proven.

I think it's pretty obvious you can't reduce every single game down to one factor. I really wish I didn't have to type all the things out that I'm thinking. There are 1000 ways to build a team and run a team. Each one gives you a chance to win. Whether that chance is low or high depends on thousands of other factors. The idea that the best personnel strategy has shifted a little since the 60s isn't super far fetched, considering all the rule changes.

 

[PARAM]

He panicked when he picked Lewis. He looked like he shot himself right before that pick.

That’s flawed thinking when we know that a GM and staff have to gamble on picks every year. Snead is included in that.

He panicked? Pahleese!

Because proven talent is better than high draft picks that can end up being useless. He knows he isn’t guaranteed to make the best picks. It’s almost like admitting it. Some GMs think Snead is afraid to make first round picks anymore. It was in an article in the Athletic a few months ago. Non of these GMs are above reproach.

Well the thinking that believes he's afraid is assinine. Name another NFL GM who has got more out of his first round picks than Snead. If that's coming from another NFL GM, it's jealousy. If it's from a talking head or fan, it's idiotic.

Does he make a mistake from time to time? Sure, who doesn't? But he has built a strong team so he has more room for error than most. As a result, I appreciate the gambles. We're already putting the first round to good use.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think it's pretty obvious you can't reduce every single game down to one factor. I really wish I didn't have to type all the things out that I'm thinking. There are 1000 ways to build a team and run a team. Each one gives you a chance to win. Whether that chance is low or high depends on thousands of other factors. The idea that the best personnel strategy has shifted a little since the 60s isn't super far fetched, considering all the rule changes.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I’m just breaking down some odd things that PA said and pointing out how absurd they are, fascetiously.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

He panicked? Pahleese!


Well the thinking that believes he's afraid is assinine. Name another NFL GM who has got more out of his first round picks than Snead. If that's coming from another NFL GM, it's jealousy. If it's from a talking head or fan, it's idiotic.

Does he make a mistake from time to time? Sure, who doesn't? But he has built a strong team so he has more room for error than most. As a result, I appreciate the gambles. We're already.putting the first round to good use.

No argument there but you did twist things again. Sure he has gotten more out of his first round picks. What some other GMs speculated was that he’s afraid to make first round picks, not that he’s afraid to trade them. I’m not saying he is but hey, your the one that thinks GMs are so much smarter than laymen.

 

[badnews]

I dunno.
The Rams are 1 out of 1 in years they've won the SB since drafting Atwell... so I fail to see the problem lol.
Humphrey is gone fellas. The ship has sailed. Now we're just hoping this little speedboat can get it done.
Focus on the next draft, let the last one go.

 

[PARAM]

No argument there but you did twist things again. Sure he has gotten more out of his first round picks. What some other GMs speculated was that he’s afraid to make first round picks, not that he’s afraid to trade them. I’m not saying he is but hey, your the one that thinks GMs are so much smarter than laymen.

That's what I meant.....he's not afraid to MAKE SELECTIONS with first round picks but why should he? Even when GMs cross all the T's and dot all the I's, guys flop. He's trading valuable picks for valuable players. Is that a bad thing? He's smart enough to realize it's better you know what you're getting for them.

As far as your last sentence...are you fucking kidding me? You don't think they're smarter than a plumber.....at least when it comes to player evaluation? That's a joke right? You don't actually think you know better, do you?

Where you come up with this stuff?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That's what I meant.....he's not afraid to MAKE SELECTIONS with first round picks but why should he? Even when GMs cross all the T's and dot all the I's, guys flop. He's trading valuable picks for valuable players. Is that a bad thing? He's smart enough to realize it's better you know what you're getting for them.

As far as your last sentence...are you fucking kidding me? You don't think they're smarter than a plumber.....at least when it comes to player evaluation? That's a joke right? You don't actually think you know better, do you?

Where you come up with this stuff?

Forget it it. You’ve twisted this entire argument from post to post and cherry picked it to fit your turn. I pointed out all of your co traditions which you ignored. Adios amigos. You are tiresome and have weak points.

 

[PARAM]

Forget it it. You’ve twisted this entire argument from post to post and cherry picked it to fit your turn. I pointed out all of your co traditions which you ignored. Adios amigos. You are tiresome and have weak points.

I haven't twisted anything.

The subject was 2 fold
1. Tutu was the wrong pick
2. Humphrey was the right pick

I have maintained throughout this discussion maybe Tutu wasn't the right pick (though most fans give draft picks a couple of seasons) but that doesn't mean Humphrey was the right pick.

You talk about "the.plan". The plan was "our C is on the roster". They didn't say Corbett. They didn't say Allen. And they didn't say Shelton. But it's clear they knew one of those 3 would be the center. So in your eyes they "got lucky". I maintain they knew what they were doing.

You go into this long layered explanation about Corbett and Evans and Allen and so on, when it was much less complicated. "We already have our center".

I also pointed out QBs and weapons are more important than drafting a 4th center and you say I twist things around. Yet you're the one going from "the plan was......", "Sneads afraid to draft players in the first round" and "he was scared when he drafted TLew", etc. etc.. etc.

I've been pretty even keel in this discussion while you have been all over the place. I'd forget it too, if I had to explain things so many different ways.