Survey: How Confident Are You in Les and Fish?

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The owner doesn't make day to day decisions though, so there's a significant difference in structure even though it doesn't look like it on paper.

He did up until a couple years ago. Even after he seceded that power it went to his brother and kids. That structure is more like the Maras in New York or Rooneys in Pittsburgh.

Lewis has gradually allowed more say in personnel but still doesn't have Fisher's power with the Rams. In that aspect Kroenke has structured the Rams more like the Denver Nuggets-people with clearly defined roles-dissimilar to Cincinnati.

As their turnaround, they've assembled a Super Bowl caliber roster. It's less patience with the coach and more Mike Brown trusting the people around him more. So the story goes, he didn't want Andy Dalton(preferred Kaepernick) or Giovanni Bernard, but Jay Gruden talked him into it.
 

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I have ZERO confidence in Fisher and don't think too much of Les. Los Angeles deserves better! Fisher ain't too bright and Les has failed to influence Fisher in positive ways. The Foles contract proves to me that Demoff, Les, and Fish aren't top tier performers. With all those pics any team could have selected a couple of good ones. Seems like the offense, already pitiful, is going backwards. Fisher couldn't persuade Jenkins to stay and Cook is doing cart wheels in anticipation of playing on a team with a real offense. Fisher boasts about his o-line after he created an abysmal one and by the way the o-line isn't above average. Ditto for the offense. So Fisher at best is average to below average. We deserve better. Sran, gve him one more year and then pull the plug on Snisher.

Our offense will once again be a laughing stock .

To each his own, I seen glimpses of greatness.Tavon and Gurley alone look like they will be a dynamic duo. We just need few more peices imo.
 

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I am much more confident in Les than Fisher. I think the talent is there, we just don't know if we have the right coach.

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Here are my perceptions, FWIW.

Demoff is exceptional. Writes good team friendly contracts while treating players and their agents fairly. Willing to pay fair market prices for players that S&F really like. Does a great job managing the cap. No palace intrigue crap ala Ziggy.

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Rams43 ....not saying you are wrong, but where did you get the info that Demoff deals with the contracts to that degree? In most organizations it is the GM (they may have a specialist under them to help) that deals with player contracts. You almost make it sound like Snead is only the head of scouting/player evaluation and not a true GM.

Not that I don't think he may sign off on big contract (the same as an owner might for a big enough one), but the whole balancing the cap usually is done by GMs in my understanding - with the president giving general direction/guidance.

Like I said I might be wrong as how the rams do it, I just had never heard that Demoff had that much involvement.
 

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Rams43 ....not saying you are wrong, but where did you get the info that Demoff deals with the contracts to that degree? In most organizations it is the GM (they may have a specialist under them to help) that deals with player contracts. You almost make it sound like Snead is only the head of scouting/player evaluation and not a true GM.

Not that I don't think he may sign off on big contract (the same as an owner might for a big enough one), but the whole balancing the cap usually is done by GMs in my understanding - with the president giving general direction/guidance.

Like I said I might be wrong as how the rams do it, I just had never heard that Demoff had that much involvement.
Demoff handles all of the contracts. Immediately after he was hired, the Rams sent out a news release stating the following:
"Demoff will be responsible for all player contract negotiations and will serve as a liaison to ownership on football and business operations."

Here he is with Ben Dogra and Tom Condon when they were trying to sign Jake Long.


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Yes, I have faith in our guys. If you don't realize how much better our team is now as compared to a few years ago, then you have absolutely no understanding of football.

I wish the draft would hurry up and get here so stupid f'in posts like this would stop.

Anytime someone puts "snisher" in a post I know they're a troll/idiot/hater and I want to punch them in the face.

Totally agree , this team was absolutely horrible for 10 years. The coaches they hired did not make the team any better , drafting players is great but talent is easily wasted with bad coaching and bad management. We were on the browns level and have finally showed some growth since hiring fisher. This is a great franchise in the NFL and It needs to succeed. I think fisher and Snead have made a huge difference and have totally changed the mindset in the locker room. On the other hand it is professional sports and if they don't make the playoffs this year, people will ask for firing, but where will that honestly get us?
look around the league guys, philly was a great team a few years ago, in comes the college coach with the unstoppable offense that's going to bring them to the championship, we know how that worked out. It takes time and the right fit and I truly think we have that but it takes time and if it wasn't fisher maybe we would still be hiring people like Linehan, Haslett and Spagnuolo. 23-73 was the record under them, so times can be worse
 

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Demoff handles all of the contracts. Immediately after he was hired, the Rams sent out a news release stating the following:
"Demoff will be responsible for all player contract negotiations and will serve as a liaison to ownership on football and business operations."

Here he is with Ben Dogra and Tom Condon when they were trying to sign Jake Long.


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Thanks sir...that does seem unusual. Seems like snead does less than many GMS then, and demoff does more than most team presidents
 

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Thanks sir...that does seem unusual. Seems like snead does less than many GMS then, and demoff does more than most team presidents
Yeah, it's a weird dynamic. Snead is probably more of a scout than most GMs though. I heard an interview with him once where he said he'll drive back from Rams road games so he can scout college kids on the way back as opposed to flying back with the team. He calls them working trips.
 

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I have confidence is Sneads drafting and trading ability.
I have zero confidence in Fisher's ability to coach this team to a championship. The record speaks for itself.
 

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For some reason, I really feel like Fisher and Snead can get us where we need to be... Greg Williams is too good and our defense has too much talent to not be solid. If we get a good QB.. I think we'll be a 10-11 win team
 

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Keep Greg Williams and Im confident snead and fisher will lead the rams to a super bowl
 

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Negative thread? Nope, you are at ROD. The membership is too upbeat about our Rams this time of year. I'm still being patient about the trio and think they have made a much more solid team than what they started with four years ago. The D is good enough to win and often times have flashes of dominance. The special teams have been stellar at times as well. The offense was obviously the last thing to rebuild and some set backs have delayed the progression. Things like Bradford's injuries, FA signings not panning out, and a couple of draftees not developing fast enough like Quick and Robinson. I think the strategy is clear though. Last year's draft addressed the most core element of an offense, the trenches and they went after the positions strong. They also landed the next important thing for a running team, the stud RB. I think you will see the next cog to the machine addressed in this draft, the pass catchers. Multiple picks will be used on WRs and a TE. I think Fisher and Les know they probably can't properly address both pass catchers and QB in this draft so that's why they are talking up their QB situation. With the move to LA, I think they have bought themselves another year of security. If all they are lacking is a QB next season, they can go all in with draft picks to secure one. And as Rams fans know all too well, we always seem to be another year away from a winning record and the playoffs. The only thing that concerns me is the NFL is now a league where it is set up on a four year reset cycle because of rookie contracts. Will all the pieces still be in place when the QB arrives? Fisher's job depends on it.
 

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I have ZERO confidence in Fisher and don't think too much of Les. Los Angeles deserves better! Fisher ain't too bright and Les has failed to influence Fisher in positive ways. The Foles contract proves to me that Demoff, Les, and Fish aren't top tier performers. With all those pics any team could have selected a couple of good ones. Seems like the offense, already pitiful, is going backwards. Fisher couldn't persuade Jenkins to stay and Cook is doing cart wheels in anticipation of playing on a team with a real offense. Fisher boasts about his o-line after he created an abysmal one and by the way the o-line isn't above average. Ditto for the offense. So Fisher at best is average to below average. We deserve better. Sran, gve him one more year and then pull the plug on Snisher.

Our offense will once again be a laughing stock .

Firstly, both Les and Jeff have selected a solid group through the draft, you really can't knock them on that at all. We've had more of our players being courted and coveted this past offseason than a very long time, that speaks volumes to the quality of the roster they have built.

Secondly, the Foles contract. Trade an oft-injured QB with potential for a solid starter with decent measurables that has taken his team to the playoffs AND a R2 draft pick. On paper thats a damn good trade. Who could have expected the "Foles Fold" I really can't think of any other player in recent years thats had such a meltdown, literally in front of our eyes. Where they did mess up was the extension. But I guess they thought if he plays a stormer, he'll be demanding double at the end of the season.

Thirdly, the JJ contract. I think Jenkins went for the money, pure and simple. He would have gone for an extra $50 a week. I don't think he had much in the form of loyalty to the Rams. (NB. I don't blame him going for the money mind you, he's young, with all the concussion issues etc in football, take what you can get)

Cook. We cut him, too expensive for the productivity IMO. As I read in an interview by Cook - he's more excited about the signing than ARod is. Rod will be able to hit the bucket all day with the ball, but if that bucket has a hole in it, not even he can help that. And as for cartwheels, don't make me laugh, he'll need to put effort into doing that.

As for Les & Jeff's intelligence, I wouldn't go there, you don't want to be taken to court for defamation of character.

Seriously, our D is good enough to stop teams scoring. We just need a QB that function and go through the motions. I'm happy with 4-5 yard passes, the odd TGIII run and we're in the redzone.

@Point After - you don't seem very happy with the Rams at all, ah well, can't please everyone.
 
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How can anyone who knows football not have serious questions about Fisher's talent acquisition and development skills! The free agency acquisitions have been lamentable for the most part. The design of the offense is built to lose. Teams will shut down Gurley and the Fisher offense won't be able to do enough to win 10, 11, 12, 13 games. All the losing has made Ram fans ready to settle for a mere shot at achieving 9-7. Fisher believes in Case. That alone would be enough to question his decision making ability. The team isn't well-coached on game day as the ridiculous amount of penalties indicates. If you like losing seasons and a mediocre record, by all means drink the kool-aide.
 

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How can anyone who knows football not have serious questions about Fisher's talent acquisition and development skills! The free agency acquisitions have been lamentable for the most part. The design of the offense is built to lose. Teams will shut down Gurley and the Fisher offense won't be able to do enough to win 10, 11, 12, 13 games. All the losing has made Ram fans ready to settle for a mere shot at achieving 9-7. Fisher believes in Case. That alone would be enough to question his decision making ability. The team isn't well-coached on game day as the ridiculous amount of penalties indicates. If you like losing seasons and a mediocre record, by all means drink the kool-aide.

Are you talking about offense or defense? Because if it's the latter, I have absolutely no questions about his talent acquisition and development skills. Out of the defensive free agents signed by the Rams since he's been here, none of them have been an outright bust. Some might argue with Finnegan, but he played well the first year, and helped quickly infuse the Rams defense with a much needed attitude adjustment. I don't think anyone would have predicted his sudden decline in his second year, but that was injury driven and that's always a risk. Still, the contract for Finnegan was written in a very team-friendly way so that he could be cut with very minimal cap ramifications.

Other than Finnegan, the defensive free agent signings have ranged from decent (e.g., Akeem Ayers), to good (Nick Fairly), to utterly f**king outstanding (William Hayes). I'll take his record of free agent signings on that side of the ball all day long.

As for drafting and developing defensive players, the only arguable "miss" among those has been Brandon McGee, and that was, like Finnegan, largely injury driven. Other than that, our defensive draft picks have been at worst, pretty damn good, and sometimes utterly spectacularly great (see Donald, Aaron). We've got enough depth at DB that we could lose two starters of the caliber of Jenkins and McLeod such that we have multiple potential plug and play replacements on the roster. And the fact that both of those guys were able to go out and earn such large FA contracts also speaks to Fisher's ability to develop defensive players.

If you want to talk about offense, that's a different story. It's been more hit or miss there, and often times there has been too much emphasis on drafting guys based on physical potential rather than demonstrated on-field production (e.g., Brian Quick over Alshon Jeffrey, for one). But he and Les also drafted Todd Gurley and Tavon Austin, who have both shown they can play at this level. Still, I too have problems at times with his overly conservative mentality on offense, so I think there is some criticism warranted there. It's clear which side of the ball on which Fisher needs to improve.

As for the QB issue, see MojoRam's post on it up thread. I don't blame Fisher for the sh!tty luck the Rams have had with that spot during his tenure.
 

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As confident as I can be for two guys that have been allowed to get to their walk years of their contracts.

Sneed who really knows. Fish has final say but if Sneed did would the team be better, worse or same with different players. No one knows that.
 

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How can anyone who knows football not have serious questions about Fisher's talent acquisition and development skills! The free agency acquisitions have been lamentable for the most part. The design of the offense is built to lose. Teams will shut down Gurley and the Fisher offense won't be able to do enough to win 10, 11, 12, 13 games. All the losing has made Ram fans ready to settle for a mere shot at achieving 9-7. Fisher believes in Case. That alone would be enough to question his decision making ability. The team isn't well-coached on game day as the ridiculous amount of penalties indicates. If you like losing seasons and a mediocre record, by all means drink the kool-aide.
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