Stafford movin on up

[Elmgrovegnome]

Except the dude already delivered in the biggest moment, the Super Bowl against the 49ers. This is the NFL. You don't win them all. The Bengals adjusted and were able to throw him off his game.

Now there is a blueprint of how to throw Mahomes off his game. If he cannot adjust to it then he will experience a similar fate to what many QBs did. Kaepernick, Wentz, Goff, etc… Right now he’s not looking as unbeatable as he did a few months ago.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

RE: Pissed off Stafford

When you watch it from the sideline perspective it was clearly unintentional, and basically a tap, not a blow. Stafford was reacting to the flag which is totally appropriate.

Joey B shouldn't even be on that list. He needs to show he can do it consistently. If you take away the bogus TD off the personal foul the Bungles only scored 13 points against a beat up secondary starting a creaky old man at safety. If that penalty is called it makes it 1st and 25 and there is nothing to say they would convert that. The Bungles had to cheat to stay in the game and still couldn't beat an offense with only one receiving threat. This media lovefest for Joey is really mind boggling.

Better than Mahomes? NFW

1st and 25? Wouldn’t that be a 15 yard penalty?

 

[jrry32]

Now there is a blueprint of how to throw Mahomes off his game. If he cannot adjust to it then he will experience a similar fate to what many QBs did. Kaepernick, Wentz, Goff, etc… Right now he’s not looking as unbeatable as he did a few months ago.

I doubt it. In the context of a single game, you can cause an elite player issues. But they adapt. Mahomes will adapt. He's not a flash in the pan.

 

[jrry32]

1st and 25? Wouldn’t that be a 15 yard penalty?

He's talking about the Higgins facemask of Ramsey on the TD.

 

[Loyal]

Except the dude already delivered in the biggest moment, the Super Bowl against the 49ers. This is the NFL. You don't win them all. The Bengals adjusted and were able to throw him off his game.

Was that 49er game this year?

I am speaking of regression into bad habits. I’m not saying he’s bad, but I am saying that THIS year and moving forward, I’d rather have Stafford.

 

[jrry32]

Was that 49er game this year?

I am speaking of regression into bad habits. I’m not saying he’s bad, but I am saying that THIS year and moving forward, I’d rather have Stafford.

No. The Super Bowl when he rallied KC from down 10 in the 4th. And I respectfully disagree that he's regressing. He had a down year compared to his average season, but his average season was so absurdly dominant that even his down year is quite good. And then the dude absolutely lit it up in the playoffs until the second half of the Cincy game. They got the better of him. It happens. I don't think one half defines a player.

Stafford is a hell of a QB. I'm glad we have the guy. He delivered this year and will continue delivering for us as long as he's healthy. But if I have to choose, I'm taking Mahomes. Not a dig at Stafford. I simply think Mahomes has the sort of ability to be mentioned in the same breath as guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, etc. when his career ends.

 

[Tano]

He's talking about the Higgins facemask of Ramsey on the TD.

And I think it would have been 1st & 22 1/2 - half the distance to the goal from the 25

But I am nitpicking

 

[Tano]

Now there is a blueprint of how to throw Mahomes off his game. If he cannot adjust to it then he will experience a similar fate to what many QBs did. Kaepernick, Wentz, Goff, etc… Right now he’s not looking as unbeatable as he did a few months ago.

I still think Goff has a chance to do a turnaround but he definitely needs to be quicker reading defenses.

Wentz & Crapernick are done

 

[Merlin]

Allen, Herbert and Burrow are the young newcomers. The media tends to be enamored with guys like that. I would definitely rank Mahomes in the top 5. And he's only a year older than Burrow and Allen. With him the Chiefs will be Superbowl contenders for a long time.

Stafford is definitely a top 5 quarterback. After watching him operate late in big games I honestly don't think I would want anyone else in those situations.

The media groupthink is not a fan of Stafford crashing their great QB party. It's like an alien showing up for a BBQ and winning the hotdog eating contest.

But Stafford isn't going anywhere. He's got a very nice window now to do some damage, and a top offensive mind on his side this time around. So he is set up just like Mahomes is in that regard. You gotta have all that stuff around you.

IMO Stafford is as good as any of these top guys. This is a team-first player and intense competitor who has a doctorate in making comebacks, forged in the shitty environs of Detroit. His performance in the 2021 playoffs is going to go down as one of the best playoff runs ever by a QB. It was really a remarkable series of games and I am looking forward to seeing how many more big games this guy is going to be able to win.

 

[MachS]

Allen, Herbert and Burrow are the young newcomers. The media tends to be enamored with guys like that

Burrow is a confident young dude which is why he gets a lot of media attention, and he's playing with arguably the best group of offensive weapons in the NFL. But he's not in the same class as Allen or Herbert IMO. Their arm talent is on an entirely different level. Both have young Stafford type arm talent. Not to mention what Allen can do with his legs. The AFC is fucking stacked right now at the top. We've gotten lucky with Brady and Brees retiring. Hopefully Rodgers leaves too but I dont see why he would and make things tougher for himself. My money is on him staying in GB.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I still think Goff has a chance to do a turnaround but he definitely needs to be quicker reading defenses.

Wentz & Crapernick are done

He has a long ways to go.

 

[BuffaloRam]

His postseason numbers were even better than his regular season numbers.
3 games
89/122
73.0%
1057 passing yards
8.7 YPA
11 passing TDs
3 Ints
118.8 Passer Rating

13 rushes
117 yards
9.0 YPC
1 rushing TD

I think Mahomes had one bad read during the playoffs and it happened to be that last KC drive of the season. KC will be formidable with Mahomes at QB - I’m glad he’s not in the NFC

 

[GoodBadUgly]

I was off-the-charts excited when we trading for Stafford. I still hope Goff succeeds in his career, but it was clear to me it needed to be elsewhere.

Stafford was almost exactly what I thought he was (gunslinger mistakes, clutch time performance, pinpoint accuracy when it mattered, etc.), but with two exceptions:

• Had no idea he had the no-look magic, and
• Underwhelming timing/arm strength on too many deep balls.

Granted, he is still way above what Goff did on the long ball, but if would just release it a 1/2 second earlier, we'd have 10 more TDs this season...

In my book, he is top 3 in the NFL right now.

 

[Tano]

I was off-the-charts excited when we trading for Stafford. I still hope Goff succeeds in his career, but it was clear to me it needed to be elsewhere.

Stafford was almost exactly what I thought he was (gunslinger mistakes, clutch time performance, pinpoint accuracy when it mattered, etc.), but with two exceptions:

• Had no idea he had the no-look magic, and
• Underwhelming timing/arm strength on too many deep balls.

Granted, he is still way above what Goff did on the long ball, but if would just release it a 1/2 second earlier, we'd have 10 more TDs this season...

In my book, he is top 3 in the NFL right now.

I still think he was hurt more than he let on when he attempted deep throws,

Earlier in the season he mistimed his throws with Jackson but could still throw extremely deep passes.

Whereas later in the season, his ball seemed to drop much shorter than his earlier season throws.

 

[Tano]

He has a long ways to go.

All I am going to say on that is maybe, maybe not. We shall see.

 

[Ellard80]

still gotta laugh how mid-season a good number of posters were concluding that Stafford was trash... some even going as far as we should still have a former QB.

 

[Faceplant]

That list is....interesting. Some thoughts:

1. I love Mahomes, definitely a top 5 and anyone who has him outside of that are either trolls or have never watched football.

2. I am curious how Mahomes will look without all of those weapons. How would he have played in the 4th quarter of the SF SB without Kelce and say, Hardman on the field? You can see where I am going with this. Just curious.

3. I believe Burrow is a fringe top 5. If we are talking futures, he's easily top 5 IMO. No way he should be above Mahomes at this point. No way.

4. Herbert? Really? Sorry, but you have to earn that. Burrow took an arguably less talented team to the SB. What has Herbert done?

5. I really believe that Stafford will win at least one more SB. I don't worry about them playing with the SB target on their backs next year. They effectively had it this year anyway with all of the "dream team" BS. If anything, the pressure is off this team now. I think if we bring back the right pieces, they will be much scarier next season. Particularly on offense.

 

[Faceplant]

still gotta laugh how mid-season a good number of posters were concluding that Stafford was trash... some even going as far as we should still have a former QB.

I do recall one of our posters lamenting about how many picks it would take to get JG BACK, haha.....we fans are so fickle.....

 

[Merlin]

I think Mahomes had one bad read during the playoffs and it happened to be that last KC drive of the season.

That's what makes the NFL playoffs so good. It's one small window of time and that's all it takes to go home.

Rams almost came up short due to losing Odell mid-game. At that point the difference in talent on the Cincy and LA sides of the ball on offense was profound. Rams pulled it out due to great defense and calm/confident leadership in the clutch at QB.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Where would great QB's like Mahomey & Rodgers be if they'd been in Detroit for ten years?