Talent. QB. Those 2 words. Someone will put a 2nd on him. I'd bet decent money on it. I also could seriously see a team like the Steelers put a 1st on him. They weren't going to have a shot at him if he played this year IMO.
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Maybe one of these teams with multiple picks. Although I don't see Cleveland doing it, not with all the misfit QBs they already have. Now you add a tatented kid with a gambling problem. They will look to go get Archie or Dante Moore next year.
I saw the Cards mentioned on the shows with the idea of taking a swing with a 2nd or 3rd rd pick then still being in position to get a generational talent like Jeremiah Smith in rd 1 next year. Although their other Ohio St WR hasn't worked out.
Having said all that, it will likley be a QB needy team that don't see themselves getting a top ten pick next year. So they take a shot with this kid if he checks out personality wise and are satisfied that the gambling thing isn't a longterm issue.
Let me add, my kid played D3 college baseball. Hardly big time sports, but I know him and his teammates all did the online betting. I mean they still do. Nothing crazy, but its become entertainment your that generation. When you are in school, with your friends, its easy to get caught up in that.
So can this kid step away from it now that he will be a pro? I would hope he is too busy to worry about betting.
So can this kid step away from it now that he will be a pro? I would hope he is too busy to worry about betting.
Quite possible. I think he's a first round talent, just a matter of whether you believe he loves the game and will learn from his fuckups, also whether the panic attack stuff was just BS he was using to extract another year of eligibility.
As a QB and the high value placed on them, I’d say he’s currently a 2-3rd round draft talent. Potential to move into 1st if he played his senior year.
With his gambling drama and already lost time, he’s probably a 4-7th round guy. He’d probably be undrafted if he wasn’t a QB.
But as usual in the NFL, QBs have crazy value and it only takes one team. I’d still be surprised if he gets taken with a 1-2nd rounder.
With his gambling drama and already lost time, he’s probably a 4-7th round guy. He’d probably be undrafted if he wasn’t a QB.
But as usual in the NFL, QBs have crazy value and it only takes one team. I’d still be surprised if he gets taken with a 1-2nd rounder.
I was on the Sorsby bandwagon for a time last year until I saw how he performed against better competition. That plus, the character concerns, teams already having made QB moves this offseason, and his joining a team late is going to hurt his stock more than some might believe, IMO. And that doesn't even take into account the expected QB 2027 draft class.
I've noticed that the Steelers are mentioned quite a bit, but I see a new coaching staff on a team that just spent a 3rd rounder on Drew Allar and haven't even seen what Will Howard can do yet. How do you spend a future day one or two selection on Sorsby before knowing what you've already got first?
Some theorize you throw as many darts at the dartboard as possible. This is why taking Simpson with 1-3 years left of Stafford was masterful. The Giants passed on Franchise Quarterbacks Darnold, Allen, Lamar, when Eli was 38. Only now, 8 years later, are they SEEMINGLY out of Quarterback Purgatory. The Steelers REMAIN in Quarterback Purgatory MANY years after Ben to this day.
Of course, Simpson still has to "hit" for this plan to indeed be masterful.
Did you mean betting *against* your team?
I still don’t understand the logic that betting on oneself and teammates to win is bad… now things like points or any manipulation to the outcome beyond straight up and down winning, yeah, but isn’t everything a player sacrifices to win a gamble?
Edit: I as a gambling addict HATE gambling being so normalized in sports and sometimes have to mute the TV when ads come on. I understand why some alcoholics can’t watch pro sports now.
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Technically, betting on his own team is the right term (betting on his own team meant betting on his own team, win or lose, over or under), but I phrased it wrong. My apologies.
Either way, betting on your own team when you're on it with money, no matter if you're betting on them to do well or poorly, is a dangerous action and a cardinal sin against the sport, no matter the sport. It invites all sorts of shady characters that can take advantage of your stupidity. That's why sports betting is so dangerous; it can get people - and players - hooked until they run out of money, it invites the chance to force the player in question to bet the under while they can make an impact on the team's performance, it can drive people to do crimes related to that gambling, and it could certainly impact the game itself.
That's why Pete Rose was deservedly banned: because he bet on his team as a player and as a manager when he could manipulate the game itself. It doesn't matter that it was for* his team; he had the ability to manipulate his team and his performance as a player and his decisions as a manager, and it would've hurt a lot of people: players, coaches, upper management, and fans (especially fans who bet on those games) alike, not to mention upset a lot of the potential shady characters around the sport, which would've hurt even more people.
That's why it's banned. Period.
And Sorsby did bet the under as well as the over on his team. He says he only did it at Indiana as a backup, not Cincinnati as a starter, but it's impossible to take the word of a compulsive gambler as gospel, much like you can't take the word of a liar as gospel for similar reasons.
(Bolded word and asterisk: We have no idea - just his word - that Pete Rose bet the over every time. He lied and said that he didn't bet on his team as a manager when he did. He lied and said that he didn't bet on his team as a player when he did. There could've been many times he bet the under as a player and as a manager that we don't know of. We just have his word to go off of, and you can't trust the word of a pathological liar.)
The problem with the Rose analogy is that forensic accountants went through his roster substitutions for games he bet and games he didn’t and there was ZERO change in how he managed which meant that in reality, he didn’t affect the integrity of the game. He could have, but they proved mathematically that he didn’t. And they found his bookie and he never bet against his team in any capacity. Every bet was a straight up to win bet, no unders.
I 100 percent agree with you on the appearance of impropriety, but that ship has loooong since sailed with the leagues not just allowing gambling, but buying stakes in the gambling entities themselves.
So, under the new rules where the appearance of impropriety means nothing…anyone remember the NFL saying there would *never* be a franchise in Las Vegas because of the appearance of impropriety and proximity to gambling…seems actual damage is the benchmark and Rose has since been proven to not have affected the integrity of the game.
As for Sorsby, betting the under even not playing still is a cardinal no-no because he knows the team’s game plan. He may deduce that the game plan is weak or strong and bet accordingly. HUGE difference. I’m completely with you on Sorsby.
Maybe I will be surprised.
But I don't believe the folks with that theory were talking about spending day one or two selections on these darts within a couple years of a prior dart throw. And especially not on a potential face of the franchise that has a known gambling addiction.
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Apparently 6 pages and still going disagree with you lol.....it just shows that we all like discussing football. Most of the crazy offseason topics will fall by the waist side once the real football begins.
Atlanta Falcons 3rd or 4th round IMO. Jets and Browns will await 2027, but if Kevin Stefanski likes Sorsby with an injury prone Penix and the little engine that can't in Tua Tagovailoa I feel the Falcons are the team that grabs him.
The Jets did trade up for Klubnik so even as dumb as they are it doesnt seem to make sense.
But, the Jets are gonna Jet
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So my question is: why did he not come out for the draft then?
All the reporting out there is that he wanted to come out, hit a 4 game skid and then teams were giving him 3rd round grades.
Let's say for argument's sake that that reporting is true: there's still QB inflation that might get him to round 2 in this supplemental just on talent alone. Take into account that next years draft is loaded with talent (and a good portion of that should be at QB) and that his off field issues ensure that one more mess up gets him banned for life - that has to account for some sort of downgrade.
I suspect a day 3 pick is where he goes. 5th round but I could see a team making a swing for him with in the 4th round given need, compensatory pick possibilities, etc...
Hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't have come out in a bad QB class if he had a 2nd round grade or higher and the kid's talent alone isn't for certain - sounds like a lesser version of Jaxson Dart.
You didnt say anything thats incorrect.
I'm only assessing "WHEN does Sorsby go in a 2026 Supplemental Draft?"
I stand by my assessment, as it relates to the 2026 Supplemental Draft. Not any "what-ifs" related to 2026 or 2027 regular Drafts.
I could be wrong, lets see.