Snaps vs NYJ

[ArkyRamsFan]

Verse is really a classic 4-3 end. He's got that rangy build with power to handle the OTs in the run game. So a guy like that can play anywhere on a DL, granted the nose isn't ideal but he could play any B or C gap with any technique.

He does seem well suited to the left side (over the RT) but when you're as effective as he is in any usage that means he can be moved to match up with the weakest link on the opposing line.

It would be nice to see Young get on a roll here soon. Seems like he'll remain an effort sack producer (low pressure output) but he is quite good vs the run, hard to break contain on. Much harder to get around, for example, than Verse who gets caught inside quite a bit more it seems.

Verse / Fiske / XXXXX / Turner / Young

That's how I see our existing DL as things stand. Turner & Fiske are plus starters, Verse is elite. Young is solid. So a stud NT would put this front over the top. No OL would be able to handle them. And if that comes let's say round 3, with a good corner at the top... We would have an elite defense.

Merlin,
So are you suggesting that we go to a 5 man defensive line? It would really be the only way we could get 'em all on the field at the same time......

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Merlin]

Merlin,
So are you suggesting that we go to a 5 man defensive line? It would really be the only way we could get 'em all on the field at the same time......

~ArkyRamsFan~

In that example I put up I'm listing the OLBs out on the edge as part of the group, so that is a defensive front moreso than a DL.

But our 3 man DL for our odd fronts is a bit light in the pants, which is why I think NT is the need. Adding a snot bubbler in the middle means we have two quick DL on either side of him which should help them on early downs when teams want to mash.

Also possible would be the Rams keeping Turner at NT. If they go that route then the plan would be a 5T type, which is usually a rangy long bastard who can deal with the tackles. But either way another plus starter on that DL feels like it would be a wise investment and make that group unstoppable. Teams would slide every protection to Verse, but that front would cause OL all kinds of problems.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

In that example I put up I'm listing the OLBs out on the edge as part of the group, so that is a defensive front moreso than a DL.

But our 3 man DL for our odd fronts is a bit light in the pants, which is why I think NT is the need. Adding a snot bubbler in the middle means we have two quick DL on either side of him which should help them on early downs when teams want to mash.

Also possible would be the Rams keeping Turner at NT. If they go that route then the plan would be a 5T type, which is usually a rangy long bastard who can deal with the tackles. But either way another plus starter on that DL feels like it would be a wise investment and make that group unstoppable. Teams would slide every protection to Verse, but that front would cause OL all kinds of problems.

Okay I see where you are coming from for the most part. BTW what has been your impression of Tyler Davis so far? Me thinks he's a bit light in the pants himself to be much more than a backup at this point.

I could be wrong but I am happy that he's a member of The Les Snead Sixth Rounder Club!!

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Merlin]

Okay I see where you are coming from for the most part. BTW what has been your impression of Tyler Davis so far? Me thinks he's a bit light in the pants himself to be much more than a backup at this point.

I could be wrong but I am happy that he's a member of The Les Snead Sixth Rounder Club!!

~ArkyRamsFan~

I think Davis is a good rotational piece. And that's important to keep them fresh.

 

[DzRams]

In that example I put up I'm listing the OLBs out on the edge as part of the group, so that is a defensive front moreso than a DL.

But our 3 man DL for our odd fronts is a bit light in the pants, which is why I think NT is the need. Adding a snot bubbler in the middle means we have two quick DL on either side of him which should help them on early downs when teams want to mash.

Also possible would be the Rams keeping Turner at NT. If they go that route then the plan would be a 5T type, which is usually a rangy long bastard who can deal with the tackles. But either way another plus starter on that DL feels like it would be a wise investment and make that group unstoppable. Teams would slide every protection to Verse, but that front would cause OL all kinds of problems.

Can Turner play 5T?

 

[Merlin]

Can Turner play 5T?

He seems to be able to do it. Rams move guys around all the time, so I am sure I've seen him over there. Only real difference is he would be seeing the guys with the long arms on more snaps.

But this is why I say either or with NT or 5T. I think we just need one more good DL in there. Note though that the classic 5T types are harder to find than the nose. With the nose you want that widebody low to the ground with a good motor. The old beefed up FB type body (short and good endurance) who can drop the anchor. Though of course a taller player who can anchor in there is fine, you just don't need to go find the tall dudes as they're fewer and further between.

Also and btw teams sometimes prioritize guys who can stay on their feet if they face a lot of outside zone type offenses. But it seems like a lot of our division teams have trended to power so idk. Not sure exactly what the Rams priority list for Snead looks like there.

 

[InfiniteRam]

The games where Atwell was relied upon more were the games when Kupp and Nacua were out. And he didn't do shit.

So Atwell is not clutch. If you want to know what a clutch wideout of the small variety looks like it is Steve Smith. Atwell is a third wideout who is best served in the slot or the Z spot to allow him space to get off the LOS but he cannot carry an offense in that role. In other words defenses can nullify him quite easily. If his head was screwed on straight he could be an Az Hakim for us. So maybe he can get to that type of level, but this offense is better off with him on the bench because the journeyman wideout Robinson routinely outperforms him.

Also I have no problem with them sending him deep and stretching the field. But he doesn't draw safeties like good wideouts who have speed will.

Building up Atwell to be significant is no different than talking up some of these other subpar options on this roster who were not able to step up in the absence of actual good players. Like the entire TE room for example. None of them are really worth a shit outside of occasionally putting the ball on them as a surprise to the defense.

Atwell had 23 catches for nearly 340 yards in those five games.

 

[Merlin]

Atwell had 23 catches for nearly 340 yards in those five games.

He also had a bunch of drops and the offense couldn't move the ball for fuck.

 

[Faceplant]

He also had a bunch of drops and the offense couldn't move the ball for fuck.

Sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Tutu for some reason. No one is claiming he is a #1 or even a #2 WR, but he has a trick or 2 to offer this team. He passes the eye test for me every time I see him get the ops.

I wonder what the success rate on deep balls to him is. Seems to me he either catches them (if they are accurate throws) and when he doesn't, he gets the flag. That's huge.

 

[RamDino]

Sounds like you have a personal axe to grind with Tutu for some reason. No one is claiming he is a #1 or even a #2 WR, but he has a trick or 2 to offer this team. He passes the eye test for me every time I see him get the ops.

I wonder what the success rate on deep balls to him is. Seems to me he either catches them (if they are accurate throws) and when he doesn't, he gets the flag. That's huge.

He also has good hands and runs good routes. I'm not a big fan because of his size but he is a great receiver coming off the bench. He will be playing elsewhere next year.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

Seems to me he either catches them (if they are accurate throws) and when he doesn't, he gets the flag. That's huge.

I recall several huge PI calls when he gets sent deep. Anyone know how many yards that has accounted for?