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Lions got themselves a QB that has won before, which is something they haven't had in I don't know how long.. Maybe ever, no idea about them.
And there's the rub. Detroit is a dumpster fire of an organization where even their greatest players retire in their prime. Stafford was wasted there....
 

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You're not understanding what I'm saying. Of course everyone knows defenses switch and disguise their look up to the snap.

I'm saying that after the coach mic is cut off, Goff was more susceptible to mistakes because the defense would shift and mcvay couldn't tell him what he wanted him to do.

My analogy is that sometimes at the 15 second cut-off, when the stadium lights go off for goff, he's in trouble. With Stafford the lights go off at 15 seconds but he has a big ol flashlight on top of his helmet.

Now you could say coaches talk to their qb between plays but the mistake has already been made, and it doesn't mean they fixed the problem.

The Miami game last year is a great example. They played the same fronts that the bears and the pats played against him in the SB and he till couldn't make the proper adjustments. On one of the 2 fumbles returned for a td, he did not make the protection adjustment and the DE came untouched.
Why didn't every team do what Miami did if Goff could not adjust.

Yes it was the worst 1st half for Goff in his career.

I don't know what the issue was but he played much much much better in the 4th qtr and almost brought back a win if not for an Everett drop on a 3rd down pass and Gay's missed FG right after that.
 

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And there's the rub. Detroit is a dumpster fire of an organization where even their greatest players retire in their prime. Stafford was wasted there....
And Goff was NOT wasted here. What i mean is he was surrounded by talent and good people...notably McV. It took five years for myself to come to the conclusion that Goff's ceiling was as high as McV could take it. That's why i believe his best years are now behind him. Who the hell is John Wolford and how does that guy even have a job in the NFL? It's the coaching.

I could be wrong but the truth will play out over the course of Jared's career.
 

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And Goff was NOT wasted here. What i mean is he was surrounded by talent and good people...notably McV. It took five years for myself to come to the conclusion that Goff's ceiling was as high as McV could take it. That's why i believe his best years are now behind him. Who the hell is John Wolford and how does that guy even have a job in the NFL? It's the coaching.

I could be wrong but the truth will play out over the course of Jared's career.
You and I are in agreement sir. I wish Goff the best. I loved him while he was our QB, but I found myself cringing every time he dropped back last year. Crazy, but I know I am not the only one.
 

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La Canfora is as much of a blowhard as ever. Now, one of these teams is guaranteed to make the playoffs. :ROFLMAO:
About to say the same thing.
Stay at 5, take Justin fields and use their stafford draft picks to build an oline. Probably gives them 3 years of work. After 2 years of Goff in that lions offense, Detroit could very well be looking for a new qb and coach.
Or... Use the Rams picks to package a deal and moving into the top three in the draft, thus screwing the Whiners out of another sought after QB. Then Lance could work behind Goff for two seasons with an organization that doesnt expect to be in the playoff hunt for a while.

Meanwhile, they can build a team with their great draft position and Lance would have an old school learning process before being asked to be THE guy.

Win for Detroit. Win for Lance. Pisses off Shanny again.

That's an old fashioned win, win, win.
 

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The Miami game last year is a great example. They played the same fronts that the bears and the pats played against him in the SB and he till couldn't make the proper adjustments. On one of the 2 fumbles returned for a td, he did not make the protection adjustment and the DE came untouched.
He actually did make the protection adjustment on that play. The OL slid left. Miami brought one more than we could block. That's why Ogbah came free. I don't know if Goff thought that Henderson would chip Ogbah, if he didn't think Ogbah was coming, or if he mistakenly believed that he could get the ball out before Ogbah could get to him, but he absolutely adjusted the protection. That's why the DE came untouched instead of one of the guys blitzing up the middle. And the Patriots and Dolphins used a very different gameplan for attacking than the Bears did.
And Goff was NOT wasted here. What i mean is he was surrounded by talent and good people...notably McV. It took five years for myself to come to the conclusion that Goff's ceiling was as high as McV could take it. That's why i believe his best years are now behind him. Who the hell is John Wolford and how does that guy even have a job in the NFL? It's the coaching.

I could be wrong but the truth will play out over the course of Jared's career.
Just going to point out that Kirk Cousins hasn't exactly floundered in Minnesota. McVay is a great coach, but I think the credit he has gotten versus his QBs has been lopsided. But you're right about Detroit. It's not a good situation in terms of WR talent.
 

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Why didn't every team do what Miami did if Goff could not adjust.

Yes it was the worst 1st half for Goff in his career.

I don't know what the issue was but he played much much much better in the 4th qtr and almost brought back a win if not for an Everett drop on a 3rd down pass and Gay's missed FG right after that.


Miami wasn't the first team to use that particular formation. I can't remember if Chicago used it that year but I know the patriots did in the SB and their defensive coordinator became miami's head coach 2 years ago. Maybe it's a personnel thing. Just because there's a so-called blueprint on how to beat a defense or an offense doesn't mean teams can just go out there and do that.

I am surprised I didnt see more of it. Maybe teams did do it more of the time and I didn't notice. Maybe teams have tweaked it. Maybe thats why Goff was so bad the last 2 years. But he was bad. As good as he was the 2 years before that, he was awful the last 2 seasons.

That Everett drop was more of a difficult catch and a bad decision that shouldn't have been made. If its the one I'm thinking of it was 4th down and he chucked it downfield when he should have done the check down. That may have been the jets game, excuse me, jets loss, where he didn't even look like an NFL quarterback most the game. Maybe the jets were using some form of that defense.
 

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He actually did make the protection adjustment on that play. The OL slid left. Miami brought one more than we could block. That's why Ogbah came free. I don't know if Goff thought that Henderson would chip Ogbah, if he didn't think Ogbah was coming, or if he mistakenly believed that he could get the ball out before Ogbah could get to him, but he absolutely adjusted the protection. That's why the DE came untouched instead of one of the guys blitzing up the middle. And the Patriots and Dolphins used a very different gameplan for attacking than the Bears did.

Just going to point out that Kirk Cousins hasn't exactly floundered in Minnesota. McVay is a great coach, but I think the credit he has gotten versus his QBs has been lopsided. But you're right about Detroit. It's not a good situation in terms of WR talent.


Yeah hendo may have missed the call because he looked like he wasn't even supposed to block him. He didn't even notice him and then ran in another direction. Miami had guys all up in Goffs business all day. He had 2 picks that were just really bad decisions and throws. I thought he'd do better after seeing film of the SB and expecting the same from miami.
 

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That's what happens after a breakup. :ROFLMAO:
I disagree Counselor, I always took the high road on breakups. Did I keep the naked pictures? Well, that was a long time ago!

Seriously though, many of us here wish Goff the very best, just not against the Rams.
 

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Yeah hendo may have missed the call because he looked like he wasn't even supposed to block him. He didn't even notice him and then ran in another direction. Miami had guys all up in Goffs business all day. He had 2 picks that were just really bad decisions and throws. I thought he'd do better after seeing film of the SB and expecting the same from miami.
Flores clearly understood how to change things up enough to keep Goff fooled while capitalizing on what he found to be a weakness in our scheme and QB. It is definitely a weakness of Goff's at this stage. If you put a lot of bodies around the LOS, you can confuse him and bait him into mistakes, especially if you're getting pressure.

The one failure of Goff's (and to an extent McVay's) that day was not just throwing a WR screen every time Miami had their DBs played 8+ yards off and crowded the LOS. It was there all day, and it would have forced Miami to completely change its game plan.
 

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Flores clearly understood how to change things up enough to keep Goff fooled while capitalizing on what he found to be a weakness in our scheme and QB. It is definitely a weakness of Goff's at this stage. If you put a lot of bodies around the LOS, you can confuse him and bait him into mistakes, especially if you're getting pressure.

The one failure of Goff's (and to an extent McVay's) that day was not just throwing a WR screen every time Miami had their DBs played 8+ yards off and crowded the LOS. It was there all day, and it would have forced Miami to completely change its game plan.


I wonder if any rams receiver mentioned that to jared or mcvay.

Detroit has it rough this year. Niners week 1 then at green Bay Baltimore at Chicago at Minnesota then at rams 2 weeks later. They'll be lucky to win 2 games against cinci and eagles by their week 9 bye then its back into the grinder at pitt and at Cleveland.

I wish jared well in Detroit but man that offense is going to have a tough time scoring points

I see maybe 4 wins which is under the Vegas 5
 

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I wonder if any rams receiver mentioned that to jared or mcvay.

Detroit has it rough this year. Niners week 1 then at green Bay Baltimore at Chicago at Minnesota then at rams 2 weeks later. They'll be lucky to win 2 games against cinci and eagles by their week 9 bye then its back into the grinder at pitt and at Cleveland.

I wish jared well in Detroit but man that offense is going to have a tough time scoring points

I see maybe 4 wins which is under the Vegas 5
Yep, it'll be a challenge.
 

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Miami wasn't the first team to use that particular formation. I can't remember if Chicago used it that year but I know the patriots did in the SB and their defensive coordinator became miami's head coach 2 years ago. Maybe it's a personnel thing. Just because there's a so-called blueprint on how to beat a defense or an offense doesn't mean teams can just go out there and do that.

I am surprised I didnt see more of it. Maybe teams did do it more of the time and I didn't notice. Maybe teams have tweaked it. Maybe thats why Goff was so bad the last 2 years. But he was bad. As good as he was the 2 years before that, he was awful the last 2 seasons.

That Everett drop was more of a difficult catch and a bad decision that shouldn't have been made. If its the one I'm thinking of it was 4th down and he chucked it downfield when he should have done the check down. That may have been the jets game, excuse me, jets loss, where he didn't even look like an NFL quarterback most the game. Maybe the jets were using some form of that defense.
That's not the one. That was the Jets game.

The one against Miami was a perfect pass and he just ..... dropped it.

No one used the same formation against the Rams that Miami used.

That was a very unique formation and I only saw it in that game.

But it was a VERY EASY formation to beat if our OC told McVay that the WR screen would get 15 yards every time.

Finally the OC must have figured it out because in the 4th qtr we ran the WR screen each time (3) against that formation and sure enough we got at minimum 15 yards each time.
 

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Excuse me, but the reason Stafford wanted out, is because he new they were going to rebuilding mode. Which today means loosong as many games as you can to get the 1st pick. That's why they got rid of most their good players. Unfortunately for Goff he will take the hit for it. Most people won't pay attention to Detroit and will beleive the drival coming out of talking heads and blame Goff.

Haha...When is Detroit not in rebuilding mode. I feel for Jared. Hes been thrown into a losing situation and will probably get most of the blame.

I don't think Detroit is trying lose as many games as possible. If I were trying to do that I'd have traded for minchew or some other cheap qb that I would like as a backup next year. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if minchew would do better in Detroit because he can scramble and whoever is qb there is going to be running for their life every week.
 

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I feel for Jared. Hes been thrown into a losing situation and will probably get most of the blame.
That will become the storyline by the end of this season IMO. Right now you have people hoping the old Goff shows up behind an underrated collection of talent. By midseason as defenses tee off on him all that stuff will turn to pity.

I'm going to enjoy the occasional game where the good Goff shows up, but I don't think Detroit fans will. Because it will be just enough to keep them out of the top couple picks i.e. top QB range.
 

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Haha...When is Detroit not in rebuilding mode. I feel for Jared. Hes been thrown into a losing situation and will probably get most of the blame.

I don't think Detroit is trying lose as many games as possible. If I were trying to do that I'd have traded for minchew or some other cheap qb that I would like as a backup next year. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if minchew would do better in Detroit because he can scramble and whoever is qb there is going to be running for their life every week.
Their offensive line is the strength of team.

I just see Goff holding onto the ball for 3 seconds and then throwing it away since no one is open
 

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That will become the storyline by the end of this season IMO. Right now you have people hoping the old Goff shows up behind an underrated collection of talent. By midseason as defenses tee off on him all that stuff will turn to pity.

I'm going to enjoy the occasional game where the good Goff shows up, but I don't think Detroit fans will. Because it will be just enough to keep them out of the top couple picks i.e. top QB range.
I think 5 - 12 will be in the top 5 draft pick range

And with our pick, they can move up to get a QB
 

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I don't know about all the back-and-forth above (fun exchange)... but the one thing I DO know is... I am soooo glad the Rams are no longer on lists like these!!

My philosophy on ex-Rams has always been the same. I wish them well... unless they play the Rams!
 

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Why didn't every team do what Miami did if Goff could not adjust.

Yes it was the worst 1st half for Goff in his career.

I don't know what the issue was but he played much much much better in the 4th qtr and almost brought back a win if not for an Everett drop on a 3rd down pass and Gay's missed FG right after that.
Go back and look at what the Patriots did in the Superbowl to confuse Goff. Defensive zone shifts late in the play clock before the snap. This is nothing new. Teams have been doing it a lot the last few years in known passing situations. It was the formula to fool Goff and beat the Rams. And this is why Goff has been average to below average the last 2 years. Why let McVay beat you pre snap? Good defenses started forcing Goff to beat them pre snap which is not his strong suit.