Should the rams go after Daniel Jones?

[Merlin]

Jimmy Garrapolo as a career QBR of 97.6. he's 33 years old but relatively low mileage.

Daniel jones has a career QBR of 84.6.
Pass.

Maybe Jimmy needs someone to carry his helmet.

 

[Rambitious1]

Jones is a conundrum. He had a good season a couple of years ago and since then hes been poo. Is he a better Jared Goff tho? Look at it this way. Goff was terrible under Fisher and great under McVay and Campbell. Who's to say he wouldn't great under McVay as well? Plus he'd be learning from one of the greats for at least the next two seasons.

Just a thought

 

[Londoner]

You're not going to really find anybody that can say negative things about him.

“He’s fucking crap!” - pretty much everyone.

 

[Selassie I]

Yeah... But do you like him?

Let me make something clear to those who may not have noticed this somehow...

If this is your QB's facial expression 98% of the time during games, then he is 100% NOT THE ONE!

 

[Faceplant]

Let me make something clear to those who may not have noticed this somehow...

If this is your QB's facial expression 98% of the time during games, then he is 100% NOT THE ONE!

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I wonder if he is the illegitimate son of Adam Gase??

 

[Faceplant]

Also, we all know that Danny Derps will be signed by the Whiners just in time to come help them beat the packers....

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I’d sign him in the offseason. It’s worth it to see if sitting on the bench behind a great QB can fix his problems. He has a good arm.

If it works it solves the Rams problem of not drafting early enough to draft a top QB in a few years. I also wanted to get the Jets QB Wilson or Washington’s Sam Howell for the very same reason. It’s a low risk backup plan.

Jones had a shit Oline for years. Plus, we all give Daboll a lot of credit for Josh Allen. Maybe more of that credit goes to the Bills QB coach or just to Allen. There is no way to find out unless they try.

Without another perfect scenario the Rams aren’t getting another Stafford. Developing a guy with physical talent is going to be the best path….or having several years of sucking.

 

[PARAM]

Jones' draft slot suggests, "sure let's have a look"
His career performance suggests, "we've seen enough".

 

[Allen2McVay]

Jones' draft slot suggests, "sure let's have a look"
His career performance suggests, "we've seen enough".

I agree ... but that was also the thought process with some other quarterbacks ... and, often it was correct.

But, Not Always. Mayfield and Darnold might be two recent and, somewhat comparable, examples.

More importantly, I think they fit a Blue-print for a highly-drafted but failed, young QB. Don't look for the most money, or the best chance to get on-the-field as soon as possible. Look for a back-up role, on a good team, with a quality offense and a head coach who is well-regarded for developing, running and calling an offense. A re-set year.

McVay acknowledged in the off-season the importance of having a competent back-up; and, in my opinion, the Rams have one in Garoppolo. I would be happy if he returns in 2025. However, there are not many competent back-ups available in a given off-season; and some are really expensive ($6M-$8M in cap space).

Living in NYC, I have seen a lot of Daniel Jones. I mean like every fucking snap he has taken in the NFL ... including pre-season! I am NOT a fan. He has regressed. However, there was something there early-on. And, when I factor in his injuries, changes in coaching, lack of receiver talent and God-Awful O-Line-play ... I think he could be on a list of potential 2025 back-up-QBs for the Rams.

 

[fanotodd]

Jimmy g-string is already imbedded into the Rams’ system/playbook. Jones serves no function at this time, but the Rams will need camp arms at the very least, next season. Grabmypole might not be back either. If jones is available when next offseason starts, taking a look wouldn’t hurt.

There is a gigantic difference between the Rams and the g-men when it comes to their culture and FO.

 

[PARAM]

I agree ... but that was also the thought process with some other quarterbacks ... and, often it was correct.

But, Not Always. Mayfield and Darnold might be two recent and, somewhat comparable, examples.

More importantly, I think they fit a Blue-print for a highly-drafted but failed, young QB. Don't look for the most money, or the best chance to get on-the-field as soon as possible. Look for a back-up role, on a good team, with a quality offense and a head coach who is well-regarded for developing, running and calling an offense. A re-set year.

McVay acknowledged in the off-season the importance of having a competent back-up; and, in my opinion, the Rams have one in Garoppolo. I would be happy if he returns in 2025. However, there are not many competent back-ups available in a given off-season; and some are really expensive ($6M-$8M in cap space).

Living in NYC, I have seen a lot of Daniel Jones. I mean like every fucking snap he has taken in the NFL ... including pre-season! I am NOT a fan. He has regressed. However, there was something there early-on. And, when I factor in his injuries, changes in coaching, lack of receiver talent and God-Awful O-Line-play ... I think he could be on a list of potential 2025 back-up-QBs for the Rams.

I agree with your points. I believe what Cowherd says about highly drafted failed QBs. Sometimes it's a mis-evaluation. Sometimes it's wrong place, wrong coach (or no weapons, terrible O line). On the flip side, the successful highly drafted QBs are either so good, they look good in the wrong place or they've landed in an ideal situation.

In the last 15 years, there have been 47 QBs drafted in the first round. That's a tick more than 3 per year. If we don't judge the 2024 crop yet, then it's 41 QBs. And I can name 13 who could be considered "successes" (and there are different levels I'm sure). Newton (2011), Luck (12), Goff (16), Mahomes (17), Josh Allen and Lamar (18), Murray (19), Burrow, Tua, Herbert and Love (20), Lawrence (21) and Stroud (23). There have been many (26) who failed where they were drafted (for whatever reason) and some appear to be reclaimation projects (Mayfield, Darnold). Plus 2 from 2023 who could either end up in the "group of 13" or "the group of 26" (Richardson, Young).

But the list of successful reclaimation projects is very short. The list of non-first round successes or reclaimation projects is also short. Dak? Garappolo?

 

[PARAM]

FACT: The last first round QB to play 10 successful years (meaning personal success) in the NFL is Matt Stafford. The next one will be Jared Goff. Interesting no? And he will be joined a year later by Mahomes.

 

[RamBradford85]

Naw I would rather take chance on Zach Wilson this summer

 

[Merlin]

Let me make something clear to those who may not have noticed this somehow...

If this is your QB's facial expression 98% of the time during games, then he is 100% NOT THE ONE!

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[Allen2McVay]

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But the list of successful reclaimation projects is very short.

I agree but many 1st round reclamation projects were traded, with no say on where they were going; or when they came free, chose money and/or where they thought they could quickly play.

That’s why I was specific with a Blue-print of a re-set year, as a one-year back-up on a team with offensive talent and a well-regarded offensive head coach. No concern over money, or long-term stability.

When Jones clears waivers, I will be interested in where he chooses to sign. More so in the offseason and his focus is on 2025.

From a short-term point of view, if Purdy’s injury could cost him more than one game, I could see the evil-Niners signing Jones.

 

[PARAM]

I agree but many 1st round reclamation projects were traded, with no say on where they were going; or when they came free, chose money and/or where they thought they could quickly play.

That’s why I was specific with a Blue-print of a re-set year, as a one-year back-up on a team with offensive talent and a well-regarded offensive head coach. No concern over money, or long-term stability.

When Jones clears waivers, I will be interested in where he chooses to sign. More so in the offseason and his focus is on 2025.

From a short-term point of view, if Purdy’s injury could cost him more than one game, I could see the evil-Niners signing Jones.

Or......to put other parameters on this question, I would prefer to see what McVay could do with Jones as opposed to what he can do with Bennett. I know Bress was under 6'0" but I like guys who can see over the O line.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Or......to put other parameters on this question, I would prefer to see what McVay could do with Jones as opposed to what he can do with Bennett. I know Bress was under 6'0" but I like guys who can see over the O line.

Yeah, I am not a Bennett guy at all.

I did a quick check of the pending free agent QBs ...
Garoppolo, Darnold (will sign somewhere as a starter), Lance, Zack Wilson (saw all his snaps in NY, and not a fan), Brissett (probably too expensive), Mariota, Lock, Stidham, Dalton, Fields, Flacco, Winston, Mac Jones, Wentz, Keenum, Rudolph, Stick, Rush, Dobbs, Brandon Allen, Kyle Allen, Trask, Mullens, Heinicke, Driskel, Huntley, Beathard, Rypien and Russell Wilson.

I like a few of those guys better than Daniel Jones, as options for the Rams but some of them will probably be outside the Rams' price range. And, there will be a market for a number of these guys.

If Stafford goes-down for the season, that year is probably lost but if he goes-down for 2-4 games, I want a competent back-up that will give the Rams a chance in those game.
That could be the difference between ten wins and a playoff-spot or nine wins and no trip to the dance ... AND, I like to dance! ...

 

[12intheBox]

It’s a yes for me.

 

[Merlin]

I'm gonna trust Coach on this one. I rarely watch the Giants so I don't really have a good feel for Jones.

 

[payote75]

To me if he takes the league minimum and commits to understanding he may back up Stafford next year or he could fight to start with a different QB then it's easy you cut Stetson and sign Jones. Honestly Jimmy g probably gone and not like he will improve probably RT?
So just couple things between Bennet and Jones:

1. Mobility - hands down Jones
2. Arm strength - not even close Jones
3. Experience obviously Jones
4. Accuracy - toss up
5. Ceiling - Jones (see above)

I'd take the risk it's not even a risk it more has the potential to be a reward.

Also not for nothing but if Stafford goes and Jimmy G goes yes I'd bring Wilson in or more than likely Sam Darnold is sitting there depending on money. So you again can retool on the fly. Kind of.