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How many years did it take Reid to win a SB?
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Reid got them to 3 NFCCGs in a row before they got to the SB . I liked McNabb, but the dude couldn't hit the proverbial barn door a lot of the time. All I get from the SB record is neither could beat Darth Hoodie & The Sith at the height of their powers without a special QB. It took Reid longer to get his.
Reid got Philly to a division title in '02 with back-up QBs in 6 regular season games. They went 5-1. He kept both the offense AND defense in/near the top 10 for points scored/allowed 5 years in a row.
McVay's teams either dazzle or sputter. I think a Reid-led team finds a way to win either that CHI or GB game.
It's like James Bond (McVay) vs Jason Bourne ( Reid). They are both badass, but one has needed his specialized weapons to be at his best.
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Again. There is no comparison between McVay and the Andy Reid of 28 years ago. When he was 38. That year would be 1998 and he was serving as a QB Coach and Asst HC for Green Bay.
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And in the early 2000's the NFC East kind of sucked ass. And many of those Eagles teams rode a great defense led by Jim Johnson.
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I think the world of Andy Reid. You can tell he's a great dude, and one of the best head coaches ever. But claiming he would be winning games with this roster that McVay didn't win is some bukkake bullshit. As in taking high-fat Andy Reid money shots all over your face and rubbing that gravy all in yeah boy.
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Does anyone here actually expect McVay to coach another 28 years? He damned near retired after the SB and again after the crap year after!
It may be likely that he retires when Stafford does so he won't have to start over with another QB.
I hope that isn't the case but it could be so comparing his career to Reid's is futile.
It may be likely that he retires when Stafford does so he won't have to start over with another QB.
I hope that isn't the case but it could be so comparing his career to Reid's is futile.
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The sad thing is that he’d still be running plays with an empty backfield inside the five.
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... I guess I am not really entirely following your thought process.
Do you mean ...
OR, are we talking This Guy! ...
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No idea. But comparing the career of a coach who is 66 with the career of a coach who is only 38 is fucking retarded.
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But aren't YOU the one who initiated the discussion when YOU posted the following last night:
'I love McVay, but I think that Andy Reid has him beat overall."
Wasn't that post the first mention of Andy Reid, and the first comparison on this thread of Reid to McVay?
I appreciate the perspective. McVay is still young and growing. I'd take his first 7 years over Reids.
I'd still ask though, as they are now, who is the better coach?
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I’ve come to believe that McVay is not the playcalling Alpha in this league.
He’s certainly good at it, one of the better overall X’s and O’s guys around the league in terms of the passing game and scheming players open etc. I think there are better offensive minds around the league, young and old.
Where I believe he’s shown to be an Alpha is in leadership, motivation, managing a team and pretty much everything involved with being a HC of an entire roster and a coaching staff.
His handling of both veteran and young players is seamless. The way his teams respond to adversity is tremendous.
Culture building.
I don’t think anyone rivals McVay in this way except for maybe Tomlin.
He’s always referred to as the young offensive genius. I dare say he might be a little overrated there, but I don’t think he gets near enough credit for being a HC of an entire team.
He’s certainly good at it, one of the better overall X’s and O’s guys around the league in terms of the passing game and scheming players open etc. I think there are better offensive minds around the league, young and old.
Where I believe he’s shown to be an Alpha is in leadership, motivation, managing a team and pretty much everything involved with being a HC of an entire roster and a coaching staff.
His handling of both veteran and young players is seamless. The way his teams respond to adversity is tremendous.
Culture building.
I don’t think anyone rivals McVay in this way except for maybe Tomlin.
He’s always referred to as the young offensive genius. I dare say he might be a little overrated there, but I don’t think he gets near enough credit for being a HC of an entire team.
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True, all though could have done without that metaphor bouncing around in my head.
There's no way to compare coaches at all that leads to a definitive conclusion, tbh. Too many variables. Particularly when you're talking about such successful coaches. No sensible fan would kick either out of bed for eating crackers. Although we all know who's more likely to be guilty of unsportsmanlike snacking. I'd bet Mrs McVay had him wash that gunk out of his hair before bed pretty early on, though. Never mess with a woman's matching linens.
If anything, age is a positive for a leadership role, imo. A willingness to collaborate, delegate, and take criticism are all traits I associate with experience more often than not. You can't credit McVay with being so successful at such a young age without wondering if being a cocky wunderkind nepo-baby coach had some bearing the shockingly quick collapse of relationships with Wade , Goff, and other less-reported-on but key ones like John Sullivan and , now, Ernest Jones.
There's a sweet spot in most successful men's lives between the arrogance of youth & the intransigence of geezerhood. McVay is probably just getting there now, imo.
Just my opinion, but if you don't agree, get off my lawn....
I don't care if he'd been cast to play Warner, I could never pick a Patsy fan like Damon for anything over Connery, much as I enjoy his work. At the risk of over-exciting Merlin, surely this is a more reasonable comparison, anyway:
Timothy Dalton was more this guy, no ?
ps One of these precious collector items can be had for $30 on eBay, if anyone needs one for hate-wank purposes....
Rammed indeed.....no lube, no roses, no kiss goodnight.
If I had to fight off pirates on a deserted island, a la Swiss Family Robinson, I'd take Bourne the book character over Bond, the book character.