Reeder yesterday

[So Ram]

I would guess that Micah Kiser will be activated this week to replace Troy Reeder. I overestimated Reeder's abilities badly I am embarrassed. This one game might eject Reeeder out of the NFL. That's a 37 yr old RB there.

I did the same thing,but last week it sort of made me made that he is playing special teams.
Cory Littleton was such a stud effort guy.He was a All Pro guy.I just think at some point you can’t have a starting MLB doing both.

 

[TexasRam]

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i thought gore made 3 yards more than he should have on most of his carries. when he gets the ball and i see the defenders in front of him my mind pictures where the stop should be made and he somehow always made 3 yards more.

just showed a lack of commitment by the defensive players. they might think they're playing hard but in reality they weren't giving it everything they had.

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Yep. That's exactly what I saw. It was like the defense was going through the motions. It was maddening that they weren't playing hard and allowing these little extra couple yards every time. I'm not one that ever questions motivations because I believe professionals are motivated to give their all since they are scrutinized after every game. But this game made me think people were playing it a little safe in order not to maybe get hurt. You have to come like they stole your lunch and beat your mom. If you don't you lose in a game of inches.

On the offensive side the Oline and Everett were completely putrid. Some of the holding calls were questionable but the inability to pass block in the first half was either lack of 100% effort or Mcvay not identifying where the mismatch (i.e. Williams on Blyte)was and adjusting the blocking. Mcvay made some nice adjustments by running Cam in 2nd half, but alas holding calls. So it was a complete shitshow where we never fully got our act together to execute.

 

[Tano]

Yep. That's exactly what I saw. It was like the defense was going through the motions. It was maddening that they weren't playing hard and allowing these little extra couple yards every time. I'm not one that ever questions motivations because I believe professionals are motivated to give their all since they are scrutinized after every game. But this game made me think people were playing it a little safe in order not to maybe get hurt. You have to come like they stole your lunch and beat your mom. If you don't you lose in a game of inches.

On the offensive side the Oline and Everett were completely putrid. Some of the holding calls were questionable but the inability to pass block in the first half was either lack of 100% effort or Mcvay not identifying where the mismatch (i.e. Williams on Blyte)was and adjusting the blocking. Mcvay made some nice adjustments by running Cam in 2nd half, but alas holding calls. So it was a complete shitshow where we never fully got our act together to execute.

Yes it was

 

[Tano]

I can & will go on about Reeder.From watching on a Gamecast there are key moments you look at in a game.

Rams getting the ball first & going 3 & out at home against The JETS.Leaving the game up to The Rams Defense with a UDFA MLB is unexpectble.
Talk about team emotions.Then I’ll add that a QB like Darnell is tough for a MLB to play against.You have to spy a bit ??
I just know RAMsey gave up a big play & twice Reeder was there to stop a 3rd down play.
The name I didn’t hear much was Kenny Young who last week played lights out.I thought he & Reeder were starting to play well together.
Micah Kiser is coming back & last time that happened Reeder went from 3 sacks & starting to Zero Reps on Defense.
Just makes me made that a game is put on Reeder.What about OBO ? Young ? Brockers? Robinson?

Again not saying Reeder was responsible for the loss but we were getting killed by the short passes to the left which is either Young or Reeder's responsibility. His biggest weakness is covering backs out of the backfield and I think Kiser could make better plays when a team does that.

 

[Classic Rams]

I was confident in the Rams' run defense at the end of the game there, but at the same time I thought "uh-oh, Gore," knowing that this guy with all his exp is different than most newer RBs. The guy doesn't dance, just goes forward, and has developed that ability to shift his body with enough power even at his age to get those extra yards. I felt helpless watching and it was a very weird RARE feeling seeing that we were about to lose to a winless team in the final seconds. Gore may not ever be Dickerson, Jim Brown or Payton, but he is so underrated. When you need the yards he gets them.

 

[So Ram]

Again not saying Reeder was responsible for the loss but we were getting killed by the short passes to the left which is either Young or Reeder's responsibility. His biggest weakness is covering backs out of the backfield and I think Kiser could make better plays when a team does that.

Well your probably right. I can’t say how his play was as of now.I do know against NE he was good getting out in the flat on short passes.
Kiser is the guy in the middle. Reeder though will get more game tape in.I’m guessing depth & scouting the QB.
The Rams had a package with Scott on certain passing downs.If Reeder sucks he sucks.I’ve always wanted The Rams to find a solid MLB.
Ogletree was a nice draft pick & Littleton was real good in coverage against the run Not so much.
JL55 was a solid player,but had limitations imo.Looking back at those defenses days enough.Never making the Playoffs.
Go Rams — with cap space you have to give up something.Depth ? The Rams other MLB Travin Howard is on the Injured/reserve list. He has certain issues as well imo though.

 

[Tano]

Well your probably right. I can’t say how his play was as of now.I do know against NE he was good getting out in the flat on short passes.
Kiser is the guy in the middle. Reeder though will get more game tape in.I’m guessing depth & scouting the QB.
The Rams had a package with Scott on certain passing downs.If Reeder sucks he sucks.I’ve always wanted The Rams to find a solid MLB.
Ogletree was a nice draft pick & Littleton was real good in coverage against the run Not so much.
JL55 was a solid player,but had limitations imo.Looking back at those defenses days enough.Never making the Playoffs.
Go Rams — with cap space you have to give up something.Depth ? The Rams other MLB Travin Howard is on the Injured/reserve list. He has certain issues as well imo though.

I think Travin Howard and Kiser would have made a good pair.

Kiser very good against the run and Howard very good against the outlet passes to the RBs

Have Kiser blitz frequently in those circumstances.

 

[tklongball]

Just makes me made that a game is put on Reeder.What about OBO ? Young ? Brockers? Robinson?

AGAIN, I have not seen anybody blame Reeder for the loss.

 

[So Ram]

I think Travin Howard and Kiser would have made a good pair.

Kiser very good against the run and Howard very good against the outlet passes to the RBs

Have Kiser blitz frequently in those circumstances.

Reeder is actually a better pass rusher stat wise. I believe tackles for loss as well, but could be mistaken.

What I do know is The Rams need to find away to win at least one of the next 2 games. Will see how the Seahags game looks & go from there.

 

[So Ram]

AGAIN, I have not seen anybody blame Reeder for the loss.

well for not making the tackle to get the ball back I believe & his poor play.

from just gamecast he made enough plays on key downs to not be a Liability.
All The Rams players can’t be all pro’s. From afar we could say I wish (won’t go there) anyways Rams won.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Yes but Kiser has had too much time injured since he's been with the Rams.

AN UPGRADE IS NEEDED.

Big time.

And an upgrade at Center as well.

And a downfield threat at wide receiver.

 

[Mackeyser]

A stud center changes this franchise almost as much as Big Whit if not more.

Teams have focused on using their bigger NT/DTs to fill the A gaps where we're weakest and/or blitz in those gaps. We've also struggled with B gap protections on dawgs at times and I don't know why that communication is so hard, but it has been.

But yeah, a stud, fireplug Center literally changes this franchise.

The effect would be BIGGER than when Travis Frederick went to Dallas.

Would I try to package a trade to move up or trade for a C who's coming up on a contract?

you damn right. I've not done any draft analysis of Centers in this draft and don't know if any are worthy, but it's gonna become my focus this off-season for sure.

I tend to do well grading the lines pretty well, both OL and DL. I'm decent on WRs and RBs and struggle in grading WRs and DBs. QBs are a mystery to everyone, so I don't sweat them too much.

So yeah, I'll start that after Xmas... because we need one...badly.

Also, would love to hear @Memento and @jrry32 's takes on both the Draft and FA options at Center, even the outlandish or seemingly too expensive...

 

[RamDino]

Would I try to package a trade to move up or trade for a C who's coming up on a contract?

I get tired of hearing about how great these college centers are... the bottom line is that you never know. It's always a roll of the dice (see Brian Allen). But going after a proven NFL center? Hmmm... I like that idea. First of all , we can save 4-5 mil on Blythe's contract. So, if we can sign a great center for 10 mil? This might be the way to go. But I don't like the idea of drafting one. Too limited in skill set and/or size. I still believe we need to draft lineman every year, both offense and defense, but many o-lineman can play guard or tackle, and also shift to the left or right sides. Centers don't have those options. Last year's draft was a perfect example of a talent-poor draft for centers. I guess a couple rookie centers have done ok this year... but I didn't like any when the Rams picked in the second round. Like McSnead, I didn't think anyone coming out of college was better than what they already had.

 

[Mackeyser]

I get tired of hearing about how great these college centers are... the bottom line is that you never know. It's always a roll of the dice (see Brian Allen). But going after a proven NFL center? Hmmm... I like that idea. First of all , we can save 4-5 mil on Blythe's contract. So, if we can sign a great center for 10 mil? This might be the way to go. But I don't like the idea of drafting one. Too limited in skill set and/or size. I still believe we need to draft lineman every year, both offense and defense, but many o-lineman can play guard or tackle, and also shift to the left or right sides. Centers don't have those options. Last year's draft was a perfect example of a talent-poor draft for centers. I guess a couple rookie centers have done ok this year... but I didn't like any when the Rams picked in the second round. Like McSnead, I didn't think anyone coming out of college was better than what they already had.

Well, Centers, even stud Centers can fall to the 2nd round. It was a scandal on draft day for the Cowboys to use their #29 pick on a Center, but it worked out for them as he was a STUD.

I dunno if there's a Travis Frederick in this draft. If there is, then yeah, he'd be worth it.

but yeah, I don't care if we go over, under, around or through, the NUMBER ONE need for this Rams team going forward is a stud center.

Our baseline should be at the level of John Sullivan, but I'd aim much higher, even if that means we lose someone like JJ3 who I LOVE and want us to retain quite badly.

 

[jrry32]

A stud center changes this franchise almost as much as Big Whit if not more.

Teams have focused on using their bigger NT/DTs to fill the A gaps where we're weakest and/or blitz in those gaps. We've also struggled with B gap protections on dawgs at times and I don't know why that communication is so hard, but it has been.

But yeah, a stud, fireplug Center literally changes this franchise.

The effect would be BIGGER than when Travis Frederick went to Dallas.

Would I try to package a trade to move up or trade for a C who's coming up on a contract?

you damn right. I've not done any draft analysis of Centers in this draft and don't know if any are worthy, but it's gonna become my focus this off-season for sure.

I tend to do well grading the lines pretty well, both OL and DL. I'm decent on WRs and RBs and struggle in grading WRs and DBs. QBs are a mystery to everyone, so I don't sweat them too much.

So yeah, I'll start that after Xmas... because we need one...badly.

Also, would love to hear @Memento and @jrry32 's takes on both the Draft and FA options at Center, even the outlandish or seemingly too expensive...

If you ask me, I think Austin Corbett might be our best option for a stud Center. He's bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Blythe. The question is if one of Anchrum, Brewer, or Evans can step up and start at LG (my guess is that we would shift Edwards to RG since he's a more powerful player than those three). If not, Center is usually the easiest and cheapest spot to fill. It's about getting your best five on the field right now.

 

[Memento]

If you ask me, I think Austin Corbett might be our best option for a stud Center. He's bigger, stronger, and more athletic than Blythe. The question is if one of Anchrum, Brewer, or Evans can step up and start at LG (my guess is that we would shift Edwards to RG since he's a more powerful player than those three). If not, Center is usually the easiest and cheapest spot to fill. It's about getting your best five on the field right now.

That's what I would do: move Corbett to center and put Evans at LG. If Anchrum or Brewer can win the spot, that's great.

Also, I would try very hard to move Havenstein and his contract, while putting Noteboom or a drafted offensive tackle there.

 

[jrry32]

That's what I would do: move Corbett to center and put Evans at LG. If Anchrum or Brewer can win the spot, that's great.

Also, I would try very hard to move Havenstein and his contract, while putting Noteboom or a drafted offensive tackle there.

With regard to Havenstein, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Mackeyser]

The issue with Hav is speed rushers... and what RT doesn't struggle with that... and we know Hav can play as he stoned Khalil Mack last time we played the Bears...so much so that Mack was getting super frustrated and they moved him over to rush against the LT.

The reason the right side has been bad is the communication. I don't know why our OL and our ILBs are suffering from such poor communication right now, but it doesn't make sense on a McVay team where communication is a bedrock, fundamentally stressed aspect of the game.

 

[hotanez]

That's what I would do: move Corbett to center and put Evans at LG. If Anchrum or Brewer can win the spot, that's great.

Also, I would try very hard to move Havenstein and his contract, while putting Noteboom or a drafted offensive tackle there.

I was with you until you said move Havenstein

 

[Memento]

With regard to Havenstein, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Respectfully disagree. I see Havenstein and Blythe as weak links in our O-line, and if Havenstein can get us a mid-round draft pick, I'd gladly do it. We have the depth to absorb his and Blythe's loss, and that's not even counting a draft pick or two.

I was with you until you said move Havenstein

Thank you for being with me...at least, up until Havenstein.