Recouping some picks

[MadGoat]

Chiefs and Seahawks did it. You have to work out the trade leading up to FA before you tag him.

And how would they get more as a comp pick? Best he gets you is a pick after round 3 is over..... Next year!

He at least gets you a high 3 or a 3 and a mid round pick AND you get the pick now, not in 2021.

Nobody is giving close to that up for the right to sign Fowler.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Chiefs and Seahawks did it. You have to work out the trade leading up to FA before you tag him.

And how would they get more as a comp pick? Best he gets you is a pick after round 3 is over..... Next year!

He at least gets you a high 3 or a 3 and a mid round pick AND you get the pick now, not in 2021.

I have to imagine that Snead is exploring every option available, but it takes TWO teams to tango.

 

[I like Rams]

Nobody is giving close to that up for the right to sign Fowler.

Really? I think Fowler could easily be taken for a third.

 

[dang]

On Defense. Fowler is too streaky so likely prices himself off the team. Matthews get nice pressure but if i gotta watch him over pursue and miss 75% of his tackles next year I may have to come at him with some hair clippers. Need Need Need some help on the DL to supplement Donald. His talent is being overshadowed by subpar play by his DL counterparts. Maybe resign Littleton and move him around but we need a stud MLB.

 

[PhillyRam]

Nobody is giving close to that up for the right to sign Fowler.

Not every team is against the cap. You are looking at this through a Rams fan's eyes... Last year the Niners had a ton of cap space so they could do the Dee Ford trade.

So a team like that would not have an issue trading for a guy who is going to end up with double digit sacks. Pass rushers are a premium position.

 

[RamBall]

Somebody remind me why we would trade a young core player. I'm sure Snead and McVay didnt build this roster to blow it up or trade key players just to rebuild. Since when is an early draft pick a guaranteed stud? If somebody makes an offer that cant be refused, maybe we trade a key player, but the return would have to be a young proven player at a position of need, like OL. I really doubt Snead is looking to recoup picks he traded away, as he got what he wanted in return for those picks, with the possible exception of Cooks. But Cooks could come back next season and be the player Snead traded for. Every year people fret about the Rams not having any draft picks, then at some point during the season people start talking about how well the Rams have done in regards to draft picks and UDFA making the 53 man roster and contributing. No GM has been 100% with all their roster moves and draft picks, but IMO Snead has done pretty damn good at finding and acquiring the type of players his coaches are asking for.

 

[MadGoat]

Not every team is against the cap. You are looking at this through a Rams fan's eyes... Last year the Niners had a ton of cap space so they could do the Dee Ford trade.

So a team like that would not have an issue trading for a guy who is going to end up with double digit sacks. Pass rushers are a premium position.

Right, if a team has plenty of cap space they can just sign someone. No need to give up any picks.

 

[PhillyRam]

Right, if a team has plenty of cap space they can just sign someone. No need to give up any picks.

Wow, you are ignoring obvious facts. The point is top pass rushers are not hitting FA... You can't conjure a guy out of thin air.... They don'tt exist in FA.

That is why Ford, Clarke, and Clowney were tagged. As were guys like DeMarcus Lawrence who stayed tagged and with his team.

Top pass rushers do not hit the market very often.

Teams at the top of this list, especially competitive teams like the Colts, would give up a pick for a top pass rusher.

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[I like Rams]

Somebody remind me why we would trade a young core player. I'm sure Snead and McVay didnt build this roster to blow it up or trade key players just to rebuild. Since when is an early draft pick a guaranteed stud? If somebody makes an offer that cant be refused, maybe we trade a key player, but the return would have to be a young proven player at a position of need, like OL. I really doubt Snead is looking to recoup picks he traded away, as he got what he wanted in return for those picks, with the possible exception of Cooks. But Cooks could come back next season and be the player Snead traded for. Every year people fret about the Rams not having any draft picks, then at some point during the season people start talking about how well the Rams have done in regards to draft picks and UDFA making the 53 man roster and contributing. No GM has been 100% with all their roster moves and draft picks, but IMO Snead has done pretty damn good at finding and acquiring the type of players his coaches are asking for.

It has been obvious with our FA moves since 2017 that the Rams want to win now. We got to the playoffs and had a good shot at a superbowl, so Snead and McVay went hard in FA and got us to a SB. but we couldn't pull away with a win. Now our window is closing and our oline is not what we thought it would be. Our leader in Whit will more than likely retire and Hav has been nowhere near the guy he was the last two seasons.

We have big name stars in Donald, Cooks, Gurley, and Goff (when he has a great oline) that are already locked up. But we also have Fowler, Ramsey, Littleton, Johnson, Woods and Kupp who are or have become some of the best players at their position. Unfortunately this isn't baseball where we can pay them all what they deserve and keep them.

IMO, Snead and McVay put alot of chips in on last season and this season to get to the dance, but the oline fell apart this season. Players drafted that looked good did not perform as well as expected. So like you said, the draft is hit or miss, but with our lack of picks and lack of quality picks, our chances of misses are greater. Imo.

 

[MadGoat]

Wow, you are ignoring obvious facts. The point is top pass rushers are not hitting FA... You can't conjure a guy out of thin air.... They don'tt exist in FA.

That is why Ford, Clarke, and Clowney were tagged. As were guys like DeMarcus Lawrence who stayed tagged and with his team.

Top pass rushers do not hit the market very often.

Teams at the top of this list, especially competitive teams like the Colts, would give up a pick for a top pass rusher.

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It's just not going to happen. If the Rams tag Fowler it will be to keep him, not trade him away.

Feel free to remind me if the Rams sign and trade him.

 

[PhillyRam]

It's just not going to happen. If the Rams tag Fowler it will be to keep him, not trade him away.

Feel free to remind me if the Rams sign and trade him.

Not stating it will happen... Just saying it easily could happen as it did last year with a number of players. You are stating unequivocally that it can't happen.... and that is kind of silly.

 

[MadGoat]

Not stating it will happen... Just saying it easily could happen as it did last year with a number of players. You are stating unequivocally that it can't happen.... and that is kind of silly.

The Rams would get a better compensatory pick for him than they would in trade, and wouldn't have to tie up a $15+ million cap hold in the process. it's like a hypothetical Cooks trade. It could happen, but it doesn't actually make sense.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I don’t see us trading a receiver, but if we do I have to think that Cooks would go before Woods or Kupp. Kupp is cheap and quickly becoming one of the best, Woods is a huge impact as an all around player, and burners are easier to find in the draft that route and technique masters in my opinion.

 

[RamBall]

It has been obvious with our FA moves since 2017 that the Rams want to win now. We got to the playoffs and had a good shot at a superbowl, so Snead and McVay went hard in FA and got us to a SB. but we couldn't pull away with a win. Now our window is closing and our oline is not what we thought it would be. Our leader in Whit will more than likely retire and Hav has been nowhere near the guy he was the last two seasons.

We have big name stars in Donald, Cooks, Gurley, and Goff (when he has a great oline) that are already locked up. But we also have Fowler, Ramsey, Littleton, Johnson, Woods and Kupp who are or have become some of the best players at their position. Unfortunately this isn't baseball where we can pay them all what they deserve and keep them.

IMO, Snead and McVay put alot of chips in on last season and this season to get to the dance, but the oline fell apart this season. Players drafted that looked good did not perform as well as expected. So like you said, the draft is hit or miss, but with our lack of picks and lack of quality picks, our chances of misses are greater. Imo.

The only thing that has been obvious is that the Rams are building a young talented team. Just because the same guys that said Goff was a bust said the Rams were all in for a SB now, doesnt make it true. The cap will continue to go up and Goffs deal will look like a bargain in a couple years. I trust that Kevin Demoff and Snead have a plan to keep the players that the Rams must keep and continue to bring in young talent via the draft and UDFA. The patsies seem to do pretty good without early picks, so it is possible. The teams that trade away their homegrown talent for more draft picks are always drafting early and losing, 2 things I dont see the Rams doing any time soon.

 

[Mackeyser]

So... um... how shall I put this?

When you meet this blonde chick with dragons? Yeah, there's a little something you should know...

 

[I like Rams]

The only thing that has been obvious is that the Rams are building a young talented team. Just because the same guys that said Goff was a bust said the Rams were all in for a SB now, doesnt make it true. The cap will continue to go up and Goffs deal will look like a bargain in a couple years. I trust that Kevin Demoff and Snead have a plan to keep the players that the Rams must keep and continue to bring in young talent via the draft and UDFA. The patsies seem to do pretty good without early picks, so it is possible. The teams that trade away their homegrown talent for more draft picks are always drafting early and losing, 2 things I dont see the Rams doing any time soon.

Saying Goff is a bust and the Rams are all in on a superbowl is not the same thing. And I did not get my opinion from sports media. Since before the 2018 season the Rams have picked up Suh, Peter's, Talib, Shields, Matthew's, Weddle, Fowler, CJ anderson and Ramsey. Ramsey, Fowler and Peter's being the youngest of the group, but still no spring chickens, and even though they are young they are the best at their positions. Alot of our FA pick ups have been big name veterans, so I'll have to disagree with the Rams building a young team as "obvious". If anything is obvious when a team that picks up that many star players in a year it's a team trying to win NOW. As much as I hate the Pat's, I would have liked the Rams to act the way they do financially, they dont pay their players huge contracts. You go there to win. The Pat's do not have even close to as many stars on their roster as we do. Yet they still produce. Comparing how the Pat's do things to how we have is comparing apples to oranges.

 

[JonRam99]

As much as I hate the Pat's, I would have liked the Rams to act the way they do financially, they dont pay their players huge contracts. You go there to win. The Pat's do not have even close to as many stars on their roster as we do. Yet they still produce. Comparing how the Pat's do things to how we have is comparing apples to oranges.

How the Pat's do things is criminal. (No blue font.) That's how they make "no name" players look good year in & year out -- they cheat. It's easy to make a "no name" DB look All-Pro when he knows exactly what the offense is about to play.
It's my understanding that Kraft also got Brady to make "team friendly" deals by giving him under-the-table developments / investments. Why TB12, as the GOAT QB, is not making insane $$$ & capping out his team is not for a legacy, but he's got other arrangements with Kraft. Guys, if you want our team to do things like the Patriots, then I'm out. I'll get another team or just stop watching NFL.

I like how we do things. I liked the Suh deal, and the MP deal (at the time), and even like the Goff & Gurley & Woods & AD deals, I just don't like the Cooks deal. We really need a WR1, but with his contract & 1st round pick loss, it's going to be hard to go after another one until 2021.

 

[RamBall]

Saying Goff is a bust and the Rams are all in on a superbowl is not the same thing. And I did not get my opinion from sports media. Since before the 2018 season the Rams have picked up Suh, Peter's, Talib, Shields, Matthew's, Weddle, Fowler, CJ anderson and Ramsey. Ramsey, Fowler and Peter's being the youngest of the group, but still no spring chickens, and even though they are young they are the best at their positions. Alot of our FA pick ups have been big name veterans, so I'll have to disagree with the Rams building a young team as "obvious". If anything is obvious when a team that picks up that many star players in a year it's a team trying to win NOW. As much as I hate the Pat's, I would have liked the Rams to act the way they do financially, they dont pay their players huge contracts. You go there to win. The Pat's do not have even close to as many stars on their roster as we do. Yet they still produce. Comparing how the Pat's do things to how we have is comparing apples to oranges.

Aside from the trade proposals you suggested being foolish and counter productive. Trading away players that fit your program just for the possibility of drafting a player to replace that player and upgrade the roster at another position of need just isnt realistic thinking. I never said that saying Goff is a bust and that the Rams are all in to win now were the same thing, I said that just because people in the media said both of those things, doesnt make it correct. IMO almost every team is in it to win every year, as that is the only reason to play the games. I didnt compare the Rams to the patsies, I just stated that the patsies seem to do just fine with no early 1st rd picks. If the Rams were all in for 2017- 2019 why did they sign key players to remain on the team beyond that time frame?

 

[I like Rams]

Aside from the trade proposals you suggested being foolish and counter productive. Trading away players that fit your program just for the possibility of drafting a player to replace that player and upgrade the roster at another position of need just isnt realistic thinking. I never said that saying Goff is a bust and that the Rams are all in to win now were the same thing, I said that just because people in the media said both of those things, doesnt make it correct. IMO almost every team is in it to win every year, as that is the only reason to play the games. I didnt compare the Rams to the patsies, I just stated that the patsies seem to do just fine with no early 1st rd picks. If the Rams were all in for 2017- 2019 why did they sign key players to remain on the team beyond that time frame?

Reread what I wrote. You misunderstood nearly everything I wrote. In 2018 the Rams signed Suh (1 year deal), Shields ( one year deal), Talib (2 year deal), Peter's (on last year of rookie contract), Cooks (only one picked up and signed long term deal). 2019 we signed Matthew's (2 year deal), Weddle ( 2 year deal), Fowler (1 year deal), Ramsey (last year of rookie contract). Those are some real long contracts for the future, let me tell ya. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. As for the whole sports media narrative bs, I dont watch sports media and I'd rather not waste any more time on trying to explain what I meant to someone who makes the lowest of assumptions bc of a different opinion.