Re-sign Saffold?

[shaunpinney]

Yeah.
I would definitely call second-team All-Pro "solid".

It was a play on words - he's been solid in play and solid physically, which seems to be a lot of fans gripes with him.

 

[Soul Surfer]

I think it will only be one of Saffold, Brown or Hav.

I think you have to go with the lifelong Ram All Pro.

I love Brown and Havenstien but they are more replaceable than the proven All Pro.

 

[Memento]

I'd rather spend less on Havenstein and Brown, to be honest. Saffold, as much as I like the guy, has had multiple injuries, and he's on the wrong side of thirty.

I'd rather keep Havenstein and Brown, who are younger and will cost less.

 

[BonifayRam]

I'd be fine with re-signing Saffold, but when you end up with 5 players being paid in the top 5 of their positions, you're going to have to NOT re-sign some guys. I think it will only be one of Saffold, Brown or Hav.

When I review the upcoming 2019 OG UFA's I do not see any other OG's who are close to what Saffold brings & offers @ either starting OG posts or even playing OT if its needed. He tops the list & will be the best UFA OG's.

I would not think that the salary contracts for 2019 UFA OG's & one that also has 3 to 4 seasons as the starting LT & RT would be less than the 2018 top interior OL'ers. Saffold can start & play @ four OL positions. Non of the below OL'ers can do that:

*UFA OG Andrew Norwell signed a 5 year contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars this year. The contract is worth $66,500,000 with $30,000,000 guaranteed.

*UFA OG Justin Pugh to a five year, $45.025 million contract. Pugh received a $10 million signing bonus.

*UFA OC/OG Ryan Jensen signed a four year, $42 million contract with the Buccaneers with $22 million guaranteed.

*UFA OC Weston Richburg signed a 5 year, $47.5 million contract with the 49ers.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

The UFA 2019 salary offers that Saffold will attract will be many & close to that of Norwell's.

 

[Merlin]

I'd be fine with re-signing Saffold, but when you end up with 5 players being paid in the top 5 of their positions, you're going to have to NOT re-sign some guys. I think it will only be one of Saffold, Brown or Hav.

Yep. Rams have prioritized their skill position players on offense and that's fine, not to mention Goff's contract coming up in the near future too. Weapons are there for the future. But the impact of that decision is that they're going to need to make some hard decisions on the OL and invest in it via the draft.

Three FAs this offseason. Only one at most can be realistically signed IMO. As a general rule, given two other OL pieces being on the wrong side of 30 in Sully & Big Whit, it's wiser to prioritize youth. And between the two young options on the right side, it's probably wiser to prioritize the RT, barring them being extremely impressed with one or two of their new guys.

So if I'm Les, I'd push to sign Hav and let Roger go get his last big payday. I seriously doubt Roger is going to want to give the Rams a discount, so that's the best way forward.

Looking ahead I am sure the Rams have scouted the LT position in the 2019 draft and have a good idea of what type of options there are. I haven't, but if the position overall is one where they think they can maybe find their LT with a move-up to maybe mid-first round, then that might factor in. I mention that because what Roger has going in his favor is that he can be the backup LT. Which is very valuable. But it's also going to make it a factor in the pricing of that last contract, so I think letting him go is the route the Rams will choose.

 

[OldSchool]

When I review the upcoming 2019 OG UFA's I do not see any other OG's who are close to what Saffold brings & offers @ either starting OG posts or even playing OT if its needed. He tops the list & will be the best UFA OG's.

I would not think that the salary contracts for 2019 UFA OG's & one that also has 3 to 4 seasons as the starting LT & RT would be less than the 2018 top interior OL'ers. Saffold can start & play @ four OL positions. Non of the below OL'ers can do that:

*UFA OG Andrew Norwell signed a 5 year contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars this year. The contract is worth $66,500,000 with $30,000,000 guaranteed.

*UFA OG Justin Pugh to a five year, $45.025 million contract. Pugh received a $10 million signing bonus.

*UFA OC/OG Ryan Jensen signed a four year, $42 million contract with the Buccaneers with $22 million guaranteed.

*UFA OC Weston Richburg signed a 5 year, $47.5 million contract with the 49ers.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

The UFA 2019 salary offers that Saffold will attract will be many & close to that of Norwell's.

Yeah the idea that he'll sign for less than he currently makes just doesn't seem to hold water when you actually look at the numbers. As I've already said those kind of contracts I just wouldn't feel comfortable giving to a 30+ year old with his injury past.

 

[Loyal]

Yeah the idea that he'll sign for less than he currently makes just doesn't seem to hold water when you actually look at the numbers. As I've already said those kind of contracts I just wouldn't feel comfortable giving to a 30+ year old with his injury past.

Remember that girl you met in a bar in Ensenada who said she loved you....You were younger than she was...about five years older (about 31). You loved her but she was not a girl which Mom and Dad would have approved, but she had that fire and passion that could drive you to the moon....But in the end, you decided she was too far outside your comfort zone...and...she was older....

So you dumped her.

Years later you wonder what might have been? In retrospect, she was a perfect fit....

Saffold is a perfect fit. So what if he's got a few battle scars. You only live once, OldSchool. Time to jump on the Saffold Train and ride it to three Super Bowls!:rockon:

 

[FarNorth]

Remember that girl you met in a bar in Ensenada who said she loved you....You were younger than she was...about five years older (about 31). You loved her but she was not a girl which Mom and Dad would have approved, but she had that fire and passion that could drive you to the moon....But in the end, you decided she was too far outside your comfort zone...and...she was older....

So you dumped her.

Years later you wonder what might have been? In retrospect, she was a perfect fit....

Saffold is a perfect fit. So what if he's got a few battle scars. You only live once, OldSchool. Time to jump on the Saffold Train and ride it to three Super Bowls!:rockon:

So: we shouldn’t sign him because he’s injury prone and we can’t sign him because he will be the most valuable og/ potential ot on the free agent market. He’s so unreliable that we can’t afford him.

 

[RamDino]

How about we wait until the year is over before releasing Roger Saffold? Who knows what will happen this year?

 

[Loyal]

So: we shouldn’t sign him because he’s injury prone and we can’t sign him because he will be the most valuable og/ potential ot on the free agent market. He’s so unreliable that we can’t afford him.

I think the injury prone part is over, JMO. Try an extension after this season! Can't hurt to try.

 

[Loyal]

How about we wait until the year is over before releasing Roger Saffold? Who knows what will happen this year?

*besides winning the Lombardi?

 

[nighttrain]

Remember that girl you met in a bar in Ensenada who said she loved you....You were younger than she was...about five years older (about 31). You loved her but she was not a girl which Mom and Dad would have approved, but she had that fire and passion that could drive you to the moon....But in the end, you decided she was too far outside your comfort zone...and...she was older....

So you dumped her.

Years later you wonder what might have been? In retrospect, she was a perfect fit....

!:rockon:

LOLA!

 

[Loyal]

LOLA!

Well, I'm not the world's most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola

Well, I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walk like a woman and talk like a man
Oh my Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola, lo lo lo lo Lola

Well, we drank champagne and danced all night
Under electric candlelight
She picked me up and sat me on her knee
And said, "Little boy won't you come home with me?

 

[snackdaddy]

I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it sure seems to me Saffold's injury problems went away when he was moved inside. I consider him an upper level guard in this league. If he can be had for 4 years 30-35 mil with 20 guaranteed, I would definitely be all for it. But I have a feeling someone else is gonna offer more.

 

[Ram65]

When I review the upcoming 2019 OG UFA's I do not see any other OG's who are close to what Saffold brings & offers @ either starting OG posts or even playing OT if its needed. He tops the list & will be the best UFA OG's.

I would not think that the salary contracts for 2019 UFA OG's & one that also has 3 to 4 seasons as the starting LT & RT would be less than the 2018 top interior OL'ers. Saffold can start & play @ four OL positions. Non of the below OL'ers can do that:

*UFA OG Andrew Norwell signed a 5 year contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars this year. The contract is worth $66,500,000 with $30,000,000 guaranteed.

*UFA OG Justin Pugh to a five year, $45.025 million contract. Pugh received a $10 million signing bonus.

*UFA OC/OG Ryan Jensen signed a four year, $42 million contract with the Buccaneers with $22 million guaranteed.

*UFA OC Weston Richburg signed a 5 year, $47.5 million contract with the 49ers.

https://overthecap.com/free-agency

The UFA 2019 salary offers that Saffold will attract will be many & close to that of Norwell's.

Norwell is 26
Richburg 27
Jensen 27
Pugh 27

Saffold will be 31..Very big difference Boni

 

[Kevin]

In 2017 a 29-year-old T.J. Lang signed a 3 year, $28,500,000 contract with the Detroit Lions, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $19,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,500,000.

Norwell is 26
Richburg 27
Jensen 27
Pugh 27

Saffold will be 31..Very big difference Boni

The four players you listed are scheduled to earn between $10 million and $16 million by age 30 or 31. Zach Martin, the other second team all pro with Saffold, is set to make $15.8 million at age 31. And Richberg and Jensen are listed as centers, aka ball touchers. $8 million for Saffold at age 30/31 doesn't seems like a fairly good investment in comparison.

 

[Soul Surfer]

I'd rather keep Havenstein and Brown, who are younger and will cost less.

Well, you get what you pay for.

Havenstein = Noteboom, plus or minus.

Brown = Demby, plus or minus.

Saffold = Sorry, no All-Pros available.

 

[jrry32]

I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but it sure seems to me Saffold's injury problems went away when he was moved inside. I consider him an upper level guard in this league. If he can be had for 4 years 30-35 mil with 20 guaranteed, I would definitely be all for it. But I have a feeling someone else is gonna offer more.

Snack, that's a really risky bet. I explained below why it's problematic:

Over the past decade, only 15 OGs have started about a season's worth or more of games from their age-33 season on. Here's the list:
http://pfref.com/tiny/Lsxgu
(The list includes 16 because Whitworth is on it, but while he's played OG on occasion, he's a LT, as we all know)

If you look at the OGs on the list, they tend to be guys who either didn't become full-time starters until later in their careers or had very limited injury histories during their 20s.

This is significant because it should indicate to you how rare it is for an OG to make it as a starter to his mid-30s. When Saffold's contract ends after this season, he'll be entering his age-31 season. If you're expecting us to get more than two seasons out of Saffold on the next contract, I don't think you're being realistic. And there's a fair chance that his play starts to decline and/or his durability issues return. The unfortunate reality is that OGs don't age well. That position takes a major toll on your body.

Basically, after two years, Saffold will enter his age-33 season. Only 15 OGs over the past decade managed 15 or more starts in their age-33 season on. Considering Saffold's injury history and how long he's been a starter, he is a player who is unlikely to be part of that club. Odds are that his game will hit a wall before his age-33 season or his durability will fall off a cliff. Personally, a two year deal is the max I'd give him, and I'd be apprehensive about that.

 

[jrry32]

Well, you get what you pay for.

Havenstein = Noteboom, plus or minus.

Brown = Demby, plus or minus.

Saffold = sorry, no All-Pros available.

Okay. I'll take two young, solid OLs who can fortify the right side of our OL for the next 4 to 5 years. There's no reason to suspect either will fall off. Saffold, on the other hand, could fall off at any time or have durability issues force him to retire. And you just gave us two great reasons why we can afford to let Saffold walk, we'll have Kromer developing two talented OLs (Noteboom and Demby) behind him.

 

[Loyal]

Snack, that's a really risky bet. I explained below why it's problematic:


Basically, after two years, Saffold will enter his age-33 season. Only 15 OGs over the past decade managed 15 or more starts in their age-33 season on. Considering Saffold's injury history and how long he's been a starter, he is a player who is unlikely to be part of that club. Odds are that his game will hit a wall before his age-33 season or his durability will fall off a cliff. Personally, a two year deal is the max I'd give him, and I'd be apprehensive about that.

Saffold, according to secret stats, will be a 38 yr old STUD Offensive Guard!:yess: