Rams trying to trade TG

[jap]

Until there is official word of an actual deal, I will not believe anything the Rams say until the draft is over. McSnead have proven to be extremely good at smoke screens in the past.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Sort of where I am. The upside of clearing the books sounds good, but these are good players that need to be replaced.

So any trade doesn’t mean we’ve added to the 2020 team.

 

[Wisconsinram]

I agree with your premise as the approach would be a sound one.

I also think that going into a new stadium is going to have some sort of impact. I think the approach is going to be to contend, even if the moves themselves leave us a bit short due to too many personnel loses.

 

[AlphaRam]

I agree with your premise as the approach would be a sound one.

I also think that going into a new stadium is going to have some sort of impact. I think the approach is going to be to contend, even if the moves themselves leave us a bit short due to too many personnel loses.

Given the lack of draft picks, the loss of good players and little done so far, I don't think contending is in cards. I think the goal next year is to stabilize, while amassing some cap room to go at it hard next off-season and contend again in 2021.

The new stadium buys the team a season or two.

 

[Big Game]

It’s so funny how fans turn on guys without really knowing what’s going on but put all their faith in coaches and GMs it’s baffling how “Tarnished Goods” was still their most consistent playmaker and yet “fans” take pleasure in name calling. losing Gurley by trade or whatever instantly makes this team worse by a lot.

Exactly people said Kurt Warner was washed a few years later he lead the Cardinals to the SuperBowl

 

[FrantikRam]

Exactly people said Kurt Warner was washed a few years later he lead the Cardinals to the SuperBowl

So frustrating when people bring this up. He was washed with the Rams. He was never going to lead the Rams back to the Super Bowl.

So letting him go was both best for him and the organization.

By the time Warner rebounded, Holt and Bruce would have been good enough - Boldin and Fitz were better at that point. And remember the Rams defenses around that time? Oooooof.

 

[UKram]

I don’t think anyone is saying Todd is washed up or are ungrateful for what he has done to this team .. everyone is assuming that the rams want to trade Todd because he is washed up .. what if Todd want out of the org ? And he is too much of a class act to pull to pull trade me move

 

[Big Game]

So frustrating when people bring this up. He was washed with the Rams. He was never going to lead the Rams back to the Super Bowl.

So letting him go was both best for him and the organization.

By the time Warner rebounded, Holt and Bruce would have been good enough - Boldin and Fitz were better at that point. And remember the Rams defenses around that time? Oooooof.

lol hmmmm letting him go was best for our organization huh. Did we every have a QB at his level after he left?. But the whole point i was making was that people will say a player is washed when they really or not. Same could be said of Gurley. did any other running back come in after Gurley and do what he did before? Was the oline any good? I mean the Titans add our old guard Roger Saffold and there running back leads the league in rushing. Did McVay stick to the run this past season?

A lot of factors go in to Gurley's play before people should say he is washed. But hey everyone has a opinion.

 

[den-the-coach]

Guley's not the same, still good, but not great as he does not have that first step anymore to separate himself. IMO, if the Rams can get a team to take the salary, that would be fine by me. His knees are not going to get better and if another Head Coach thinks Gurley can be productive with 25 carries per game, then they are welcome to him.

 

[Dodgersrf]

lol hmmmm letting him go was best for our organization huh. Did we every have a QB at his level after he left?. But the whole point i was making was that people will say a player is washed when they really or not. Same could be said of Gurley. did any other running back come in after Gurley and do what he did before? Was the oline any good? I mean the Titans add our old guard Roger Saffold and there running back leads the league in rushing. Did McVay stick to the run this past season?

A lot of factors go in to Gurley's play before people should say he is washed. But hey everyone has a opinion.

We made this same mistake years ago with Jerome Bettis.

Bettis was a great player trying to play behind a bad o line.
Almost everyone wanted him gone, claiming he was washed up. (Sportscasters and stat readers mostly)

 

[Tano]

lol hmmmm letting him go was best for our organization huh. Did we every have a QB at his level after he left?. But the whole point i was making was that people will say a player is washed when they really or not. Same could be said of Gurley. did any other running back come in after Gurley and do what he did before? Was the oline any good? I mean the Titans add our old guard Roger Saffold and there running back leads the league in rushing. Did McVay stick to the run this past season?

A lot of factors go in to Gurley's play before people should say he is washed. But hey everyone has a opinion.

The problem was - Warner was hurt.

He could not hold onto the football.

It wasn't until 2008 or so when they invented a glove for Warner that would allow him to hold onto the football properly.

That was 4 years after the Rams let him go.

Until then, Warner was a "washed up/injured" QB.

 

[FrantikRam]

lol hmmmm letting him go was best for our organization huh. Did we every have a QB at his level after he left?. But the whole point i was making was that people will say a player is washed when they really or not. Same could be said of Gurley. did any other running back come in after Gurley and do what he did before? Was the oline any good? I mean the Titans add our old guard Roger Saffold and there running back leads the league in rushing. Did McVay stick to the run this past season?

A lot of factors go in to Gurley's play before people should say he is washed. But hey everyone has a opinion.

Yes, we did.

In 2002-2003, Warner went 0-7 with an abysmal passer rating of 70. Mind you, those first five losses in 2002 he was fully healthy with the most talented team in the NFL around him.

Over the same time period, Bulger went 18-4 with a passer rating in the 80s. With the exact same supporting cast, obviously.

I get it - Kurt had three good seasons with the Rams which included a Super Bowl win - but the reality is that he was no longer that guy anymore. Had he not gone to Arizona, he may never have been a good NFL player again.



Gurley is a GREAT analogy for this. Unfortunately, our situation is what our situation is. We paid Gurley and Goff and because of that, Saffold was let go. You can't have your cake and eat it too - and guess what? Now that Henry and Tannehil are paid, Jack Conklin couldn't be retained. I'm guessing their play could take a hit.

Fans are irrational - we want the "stars" to stay (Gurley, Goff, Donald) but then when they don't produce or have a down year, we blame the supporting cast. But the supporting cast is put behind the 8 ball when the "stars" are paid because it leaves less for everyone else. McSnead probably screwed up last year - we probably should have kept Saffold and cut Brockers or not retained Fowler - but then when Donald got quadruple teamed and we have the worst defense in the NFL, there'd be a reason for that too.

This being our situation, it's fairly easy to see that we never should have paid a RB, regardless of who it is. We have too many other good players to keep. Now it's time to fix that mistake.

And if Gurley goes to a team like Miami, who has a ton of assets, and three years from now he's tearing it up again, good for him - it probably wouldn't have happened here.

 

[FrantikRam]

We made this same mistake years ago with Jerome Bettis.

Bettis was a great player trying to play behind a bad o line.
Almost everyone wanted him gone, claiming he was washed up. (Sportscasters and stat readers mostly)

I heard differently? That Bettis didn't want to play on astroturf.

 

[thirteen28]

I heard differently? That Bettis didn't want to play on astroturf.

Bettis just flat out quit on the Rams, like a dog. He half-assed it his whole last season with the Rams.

Astro-turf had nothing to do with it, because Pittsburgh had astro-turf and he had no problem playing hard for them.

Fuck him.

 

[Big Game]

Yes, we did.

In 2002-2003, Warner went 0-7 with an abysmal passer rating of 70. Mind you, those first five losses in 2002 he was fully healthy with the most talented team in the NFL around him.

Over the same time period, Bulger went 18-4 with a passer rating in the 80s. With the exact same supporting cast, obviously.

I get it - Kurt had three good seasons with the Rams which included a Super Bowl win - but the reality is that he was no longer that guy anymore. Had he not gone to Arizona, he may never have been a good NFL player again.



Gurley is a GREAT analogy for this. Unfortunately, our situation is what our situation is. We paid Gurley and Goff and because of that, Saffold was let go. You can't have your cake and eat it too - and guess what? Now that Henry and Tannehil are paid, Jack Conklin couldn't be retained. I'm guessing their play could take a hit.

Fans are irrational - we want the "stars" to stay (Gurley, Goff, Donald) but then when they don't produce or have a down year, we blame the supporting cast. But the supporting cast is put behind the 8 ball when the "stars" are paid because it leaves less for everyone else. McSnead probably screwed up last year - we probably should have kept Saffold and cut Brockers or not retained Fowler - but then when Donald got quadruple teamed and we have the worst defense in the NFL, there'd be a reason for that too.

This being our situation, it's fairly easy to see that we never should have paid a RB, regardless of who it is. We have too many other good players to keep. Now it's time to fix that mistake.

And if Gurley goes to a team like Miami, who has a ton of assets, and three years from now he's tearing it up again, good for him - it probably wouldn't have happened here.

lol i get your point bro, but the real thing is that Warner was "HURT" or "injured" not "WASHED". And yes Bulger was productive and also never won a ring nor did he ever get his team or any team to the Super Bowl.

I'm not saying we should not trade Gurley if we can get a great trade for him. I saw the other day a Godwin and first round for Gurley and Cooks. If we can get that i'm all for it.

I don't want to see my team in trouble due to bad contracts and injury. But like i said my point was that Gurley is not washed. Yes he may not be the same and yet he is still a top 10 RB in this league. Draft some offensive linemen and a fullback commit to the run if we can't get a good trade and this team will still be good.

Also in this day and age your not going to keep everyone and sometimes your going to have to pay a bunch of guys and let some guys go. The only team that was able to get away with not paying guys and still winning sad to say has been the Patriots. And after almost 20 years of that its finally caught up with them.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

I don't want to see my team in trouble due to bad contracts and injury. But like i said my point was that Gurley is not washed. Yes he may not be the same and yet he is still a top 10 RB in this league. Draft some offensive linemen and a fullback commit to the run if we can't get a good trade and this team will still be good.

I really didn't see anything different from TG last year, from say, his 2016 version. Fisher's last year TG spent a lot of plays running into the back of a stonewalled o lineman. Our run-blocking took a major dive and is enough to explain (for me) the difference in production last season.

 

[thirteen28]

One thing to consider about Gurley, if he stays, is that between the Rams not making the playoffs and his reduced workload last year, he did not take anywhere near the wear and tear of the previous two seasons. I don't know what physical shape he is in, but he's still a young guy, and if he's in good shape with the extra physical rest, he would be primed to have another great season (assuming the line is fixed, of course).

Cooks worries me more than Gurley, should we end up keeping both of them, mainly because of the concussions. I still think he should consider retirement for his own good.

 

[Dodgersrf]

I heard differently? That Bettis didn't want to play on astroturf.

Nope. Not that he may not have wanted to (some don't).
He was still playing in LA when everyone called him washed up.

 

[dieterbrock]

I mean the Titans add our old guard Roger Saffold and there running back leads the league in rushing. Did McVay stick to the run this past season?

A lot of factors go in to Gurley's play before people should say he is washed. But hey everyone has a opinion.

Henry didn't need Saffold, just needed the Titans to wake up and give him the rock. Which they did in the tail end of 2018 when he ran for near 600 yards and 7 TD in the last 4 games....

As for Gurley, we've been this road with him and the team. Something systemically changed at the end of 2018. He was out of action for the last 2 games and nothing has been the same since.
Did the Rams braintrust think that CJ's performance somehow minimized Gurley? That it was more system than TG? Did Gurley get offended he wasn't immediately #1 option any more once he returned? Or was he really as injured as all the rumors said? The whole thing is strange and nobody knows what happened.
But clearly, there was a major change after week #14 of 2018