Rams Run Defense

[Ellard80]

Well.. the guy who wrote it says that's not what he meant.

And it's a term with more meanings than what you're saying.

So, you have a problem with what he said contextually? Got it.

Because one of my reasons for bringing it up is that some terms/words/phrases come to mean something other than what they mean through repetitive misuse.

"Begs the question" comes to mind, for example.

But... again.. it's not what the poster meant.. and that poster's usage was absolutely correct and appropriate.

so then if i said Raheem Morris "is on the hot seat"

then that's accurate?

 

[Kupped]

so then if i said Raheem Morris "is on the hot seat"

then that's accurate?

I don't think any Rams coach is in "the hot seat" right now... really. Do you? They're 12-5 and just won the division.

Who's pressuring them or holding them accountable? The Rams D had a bad second half and failed at the end of the 4th... but did you hear McVay calling out Morris in any way, shape or form?

Maybe he is on the "hot seat" internally? Or maybe they look at tape and the players who were injured and not there.. and the miscommunications on certain plays... and decide it ain't Morris at all?

Anyway, no, I don't think one bad game in LA creates much of a "hot seat".

I think most people in football would take a holistic approach at the defense and come to different conclusions than what some on here do.. that's just my take.

 

[oldnotdead]

Look at Morris' scheme. He plays a lot of 5 and 6 man boxes. When he does have 7 men in the box, 1 is usually a DB not a LB. You aren't going to consistently stop the run playing that scheme. That is the problem with the Fangio scheme. Fangio as evidenced in Denver, plays a lot of nickel to the point that the nickel was his defacto base.

Staley was no different. When you leave your box light, it's even more important to play your zone aggressively, i.e. tight starting from the LOS not 10 yards off. Morris plays his zone where his DBs are reading and reacting, whereas Staley and Fangio's DBs read and anticipate off of those reads. Read and react passes the advantage to the receiver which allows him to transition into his ball carrier mode before the defender gets to him. That results in a larger percentage of missed tackles. Look at all the missed tackles with Kupp. He's so open he is able to make that transition before the DBs get to him allowing him to make moves that cause missed tackles and increased YAC. IMO the missed tackles are part of the result in how Morris plays his DBs. As Merlin pointed out the DBs are playing "flat footed".

When Morris chooses to play aggressively there are fewer missed tackles and less YAC. The problem is Morris loves his passive defense and by his own words, he doesn't care about stats.

 

[Ellard80]

I don't think any Rams coach is in "the hot seat" right now... really. Do you? They're 12-5 and just won the division.

Who's pressuring them or holding them accountable? The Rams D had a bad second half and failed at the end of the 4th... but did you hear McVay calling out Morris in any way, shape or form?

Maybe he is on the "hot seat" internally? Or maybe they look at tape and the players who were injured and not there.. and the miscommunications on certain plays... and decide it ain't Morris at all?

Anyway, no, I don't think one bad game in LA creates much of a "hot seat".

I think most people in football would take a holistic approach at the defense and come to different conclusions than what some on here do.. that's just my take.

I was talking about the "context" of your defense of the term not your opinion of the Rams coaches (but you knew that)

if I said "Raheem Morris was on the hotseat"

then by your defense of the definition im correctly using the term.

 

[Kupped]

I was talking about the "context" of your defense of the term not your opinion of the Rams coaches (but you knew that)

if I said "Raheem Morris was on the hotseat"

then by your defense of the definition im correctly using the term.

I don't know why you keep telling me what I know. I responded to exactly what I thought you were asking.

I explained why I don't think that fits. I don't think he's under any new pressure after that game. If the defense was the only reason the team lost? Sure!!!

I guess... maybe is the answer? With any loss and a loss like that you're going to face questions about the failure on defense, for sure.

So, yeah... It's fair to say he was on the hot seat this week.

But I'd say, in the LA media landscape, that's a lukewarm seat at best. There's just not the kind of media pressure on teams like there is in other markets. I think that's pretty clear, no?

 

[Soul Surfer]

I meant during the game.

Reeder is what he is.. a backup. It's unfortunate that Jones got hurt. Would that have been enough in this game?

I'm also still stunned by the number of missed tackles and Reeder is far from alone on that front.

I think Ernest Jones is an all-around linebacker but more of a middle of the field cover guy than a run stopper.

I'd like to see the best run-stopper they can get in the 3rd round.

Second-round, I would like to beef up the interior of our offensive line.

 

[Kupped]

I think Ernest Jones is an all-around linebacker but more of a middle of the field cover guy than a run stopper.

I'd like to see the best run-stopper they can get in the 3rd round.

Second-round, I would like to beef up the interior of our offensive line.

No second rounder...

I think Jones isn't as violent as Reeder.. but Reeders arms are almost 4 inches longer and his hands an inch bigger. He's just got natural advantages to get mitts on guys and wrap them up better.

I don't think it would hurt to bring in a guy like you describe or sign a low cost vet who can play on first down.

 

[RamDino]

I was thinking about the d line against the niners and was wondering what happened to Aaron Donald. Did they run right at him? Did they run away from him? Double team? This is not the first time the niners have seemingly neutralized donald. I was just wondering what happened.

 

[Mackeyser]

The 9ers know not to pull the guy in front of AD.

So many other teams don't audible out of that call, but they get it. They'll let him go fast into the wrong gap, but they either double bull rush him or run away from him straight up...

He still makes plays, but their play call discipline wrt AD is...impressive.

 

[Tano]

I'm thinking people think they know that a term only and exclusively means what they take it to mean and aren't open to any subtlety in language.

"Hot Seat" doesn't necessarily mean someone is expected to be fired.. although the way commentators use it, you'd think that it only means that.
It means that he's going to start feeling more, new and different pressures to succeed. It means that, maybe, he'll start being pressed a little more when he says "I didn't put the guys in a position to succeed".. like, maybe a follow up of "Then why do you keep doing the same things?"

From Merriam Webster

hot seat​

noun

Definition of hot seat​

1slang : ELECTRIC CHAIR
2: a position of uneasiness, embarrassment, or anxiety

​

I was just trying to be funny

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

In the 2nd half the 9ers attacked Reeder and the safeties by getting to the edges with tosses and quick passes. They had great success doing this, often being in 2nd or 3rd and short.
The question is does any team other than the 9ers have the type of physical run game to implement a strategy like this. The rams had guys in position to defend these plays but were unable to, repeatedly. The Packers maybe?
Can Jones do a better job or are we in for a steady diet of this?
And what should the counter to this be? This isn’t some genius strategy that we need to go back and watch the film to figure out, the 9ers ran for 150 yds the first time they met.

The Packers did the same thing to the Rams. There usually is a choice to be made when selecting safeties and corners. It doesn't always hold true but it seems to get real physical tackles GMs have to give up a bit in coverage skills. Its hard to get both in DBs unless a GM has first and early second round picks. It will be a problem for Snead for the next few of seasons imo. Guys like Rochelle seem to likely be able to do both but then they don't go early because they are raw.

 

[oldnotdead]

Morris plays zone defenses on first and second downs. There is absolutely no reason for him to play with a light box on early downs, but he routinely does it. So why is anyone surprised when so many teams run against it especially when they have a FB like the Niners. It gives them one on one blocking at the bare minimum or the ability to double at the POA at the bare minimum.

Defending outside runs begins with the OLB setting a hard edge. It isn't the responsibility of the ILB to set that hard edge. But when you only play 1 ILB most of the game like Morris did, then the DB that Morris played as a LB hybrid must also come up and help on that edge. To say Reeder was attacked on a perimeter run is incorrect because he's playing MLB. So it would be the MoLB or OLB or the DB that Morris likes to use as a LB that needs to support that perimeter run.

I know people here like to attack and blame the world falling on Reeder but most of the time it isn't true. Morris left the box under manned that is why Shanny ran and continued to run because Morris never adjusted. So who is to blame? The player left exposed by poor coaching or the DC who should know better or at least adjust. He also had Howard and Hollins, so where were they? Howard only played about 60% of the snaps and Hollins less than 20% so it sounds like they did a lot of bench sitting while Morris fumbled around as he usually does. Only now people are beginning to notice how Morris doesn't seem to know how to stop the bleeding when it happens.

 

[RamWoodie]

The run defense doesn't compare to last year because of LB play. The Rams simply aren't as strong at LB as they were last year...that's fact.

We're seeing Von Miller really coming on lately...so that makes me happy...but I'm really concerned with Floyd being injured...those 2 guys have got to be on their game.

Alot of us are all over Morris...but frankly I'm just not so ready to say that. Naturally as DC, he's ultimately responsible so...yeah...he's gonna get the heat...ESPECIALLY if the defense doesn't hold up Monday.

No doubt that with the secondary banged up...AZ is gonna try to go after them.

 

[Kupped]

Morris plays zone defenses on first and second downs. There is absolutely no reason for him to play with a light box on early downs, but he routinely does it. So why is anyone surprised when so many teams run against it especially when they have a FB like the Niners. It gives them one on one blocking at the bare minimum or the ability to double at the POA at the bare minimum.

Defending outside runs begins with the OLB setting a hard edge. It isn't the responsibility of the ILB to set that hard edge. But when you only play 1 ILB most of the game like Morris did, then the DB that Morris played as a LB hybrid must also come up and help on that edge. To say Reeder was attacked on a perimeter run is incorrect because he's playing MLB. So it would be the MoLB or OLB or the DB that Morris likes to use as a LB that needs to support that perimeter run.

I know people here like to attack and blame the world falling on Reeder but most of the time it isn't true. Morris left the box under manned that is why Shanny ran and continued to run because Morris never adjusted. So who is to blame? The player left exposed by poor coaching or the DC who should know better or at least adjust. He also had Howard and Hollins, so where were they? Howard only played about 60% of the snaps and Hollins less than 20% so it sounds like they did a lot of bench sitting while Morris fumbled around as he usually does. Only now people are beginning to notice how Morris doesn't seem to know how to stop the bleeding when it happens.

So did Staley.

Or did you not watch the Packers game.

It worked for the most part last year.. but.. a reminder.. the 9ers beat the Rams twice last year.. the second time with Nick Mullens on a 2 minute drive to win the game.

 

[Merlin]

This run defense was looking real good with Jones settling in. Losing him was a big hit. Where we're gonna feel his absence is shit like those irritating swing passes out of the backfield. Or the quick tackles on crossers underneath.

Reeder is capable of having good games, but we're gonna be back to getting mismatched out of the backfield.