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Maybe "on the verge" means after they replace the DC?

Maybe they should make Morris the OC, as he has come up with a scheme to completely neutralize three of the best defensive players of our generation!
 

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Maybe "on the verge" means after they replace the DC?
Eh.
It's funny... everyone on here, pretty much, talks about McVay "figuring it out" on offense...
But, Morris? He's gotta go.. HE'S the problem.

And, again... do you think Morris comes up with that game plan against the 9ers on his own, without McVay?
 

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Eh.
It's funny... everyone on here, pretty much, talks about McVay "figuring it out" on offense...
But, Morris? He's gotta go.. HE'S the problem.

And, again... do you think Morris comes up with that game plan against the 9ers on his own, without McVay?
Well,
That is his job, and the defense is different than last year when Staley was here, also with McVay.
 

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That is his job, and the defense is different than last year when Staley was here, also with McVay.

I just have a problem with the "Fire Morris" stuff... I think that's nonsense. That's why I bring McVay into it.. McVay brought him in to run the defense in place, a defense McVay made it a point to bring into his program and learn. McVay knew more about the defense they were running than Morris, so, it's on McVay, to me, as much as it's on Morris.
 

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I just have a problem with the "Fire Morris" stuff... I think that's nonsense. That's why I bring McVay into it.. McVay brought him in to run the defense in place, a defense McVay made it a point to bring into his program and learn. McVay knew more about the defense they were running than Morris, so, it's on McVay, to me, as much as it's on Morris.
I agree in that I don't think that they will fire Morris, at least during the season. I think that they will review what they have been doing and change back to more like last year. They only way that Morris gets fired this year is if he refuses to fix the problem.
 

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I just have a problem with the "Fire Morris" stuff... I think that's nonsense. That's why I bring McVay into it.. McVay brought him in to run the defense in place, a defense McVay made it a point to bring into his program and learn. McVay knew more about the defense they were running than Morris, so, it's on McVay, to me, as much as it's on Morris.

I get that and McVay shares culpability.

But Morris is morphing Staley's highly effective 3-4 hybrid into a really shitty quasi-4-3 hybrid and it's the worst of both worlds and ONLY works if the Rams are playing with a lead. It's not just built to stop the run, it's incapable of stopping a sustained running attack.

Even other fans on twitter and other comment sections noticed the Rams playing only two down linemen and then two OLBs as their "front" against heavy packages like 22 and 32 personnel. It was basically permission to have the ball jammed down our throats.

And at least from the body language, it seems that Ramsey, who's an incredible football mind, seemed to have an issue with Morris refusing to adjust. Once they went to 3 and then 4 down linemen plus OLBs, we stuffed the run, but we REFUSED to stick with it when the gameplan from SF was solely to run short routes and run the ball to take our pass rushers out of the game.

It was very Belichickian. I can't think of another coach in this league other than Harbaugh that would just run it 40 times in a game even with the run game working... but it's pretty simple. If a team is just gonna give you the game, shut up and take it.

Morris is changing this D for the worst. That' s on Morris.

It's also on McVay for letting him.
 

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I agree in that I don't think that they will fire Morris, at least during the season. I think that they will review what they have been doing and change back to more like last year. They only way that Morris gets fired this year is if he refuses to fix the problem.
Someone still has to figure out what to do and call the formations and adjustments in the games. If I were the Rams I would quietly be reaching out to Wade Phillips or some other serious third party for input over the bye week.
 

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Someone still has to figure out what to do and call the formations and adjustments in the games. If I were the Rams I would quietly be reaching out to Wade Phillips or some other serious third party for input over the bye week.
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How about Asst. Head Coach, boy wonder...
 

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Eh.
It's funny... everyone on here, pretty much, talks about McVay "figuring it out" on offense...
But, Morris? He's gotta go.. HE'S the problem.

And, again... do you think Morris comes up with that game plan against the 9ers on his own, without McVay?
He was a bad hire dude. His history as a DC was uninspiring. The guy doesn't know the fucking system for shit. McVay is at fault for the hire but if it makes more sense to you to fire a guy who has yet to have a losing season after taking over a 4 win team I don't know what to tell you.

McVay has his fucking warts but Morris is a JAG DC.
 

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He was a bad hire dude. His history as a DC was uninspiring. The guy doesn't know the fucking system for shit. McVay is at fault for the hire but if it makes more sense to you to fire a guy who has yet to have a losing season after taking over a 4 win team I don't know what to tell you.

McVay has his fucking warts but Morris is a JAG DC.
Bring in Wade for AD's and Von's sake....Fire that SUMBICH Morris.....Hopefully they made him take the milk run on Greyhound back to LA....
 

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He was a bad hire dude. His history as a DC was uninspiring. The guy doesn't know the fucking system for shit. McVay is at fault for the hire but if it makes more sense to you to fire a guy who has yet to have a losing season after taking over a 4 win team I don't know what to tell you.

McVay has his fucking warts but Morris is a JAG DC.
I hear you.

But I I just don’t see the autonomous responsibility for the D that others do, in this case.

And if McVay chose him over Barry, what does that say about McVay’s judgement?
 

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I get the concept of trading for Miller, but right now with a draft coming up that supposedly could lead to first round talent being had in round two and second round talent being available in round 3, I think I’m back to preferring the two picks.

This defense needs to draft actual linebackers that can tackle instead of relying on safeties to get it done. Ramsey could use some help too. Either a good safety or Cornerback that can be more of a force.
 

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I get the concept of trading for Miller, but right now with a draft coming up that supposedly could lead to first round talent being had in round two and second round talent being available in round 3, I think I’m back to preferring the two picks.

This defense needs to draft actual linebackers that can tackle instead of relying on safeties to get it done. Ramsey could use some help too. Either a good safety or Cornerback that can be more of a force.
It's one game and a bad one at that.

Let's see what they look like after the bye.
 

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And if McVay chose him over Barry, what does that say about McVay’s judgement?

It means that Morris is his Larry Marmie. Question now is, will he double down in the offseason like Martz did after being unable to admit his mistake, or will he move on? I hope he's as willing to be as hard on Morris as he has been on others from whom he moved on.

McVay has his fucking warts but Morris is a JAG DC.

If that. I think he's below average.
 

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It means that Morris is his Larry Marmie. Question now is, will he double down in the offseason like Martz did after being unable to admit his mistake, or will he move on? I hope he's as willing to be as hard on Morris as he has been on others from whom he moved on.



If that. I think he's below average.
The Chargers are currently dead last in the NFL in run D, by a significant margin. They're giving up 50.. 50! more yards per game than the Rams on the ground and are giving up more points as well.

Teams have had a chance to scheme for the Staley D after a full offseason. If the Chargers were middle of the pack, I'd say there was some room for argument about talent differences... but they are absolutely dead effing last and getting trampled on the ground.
 

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It's one game and a bad one at that.

Let's see what they look like after the bye.
No. Stopping the run against teams with good backs and good run blocking has been a problem since last year. Green Bay used it effectively against the Rams. The Rams had trouble with Chicago’s runningback.

The only fix is to get ahead early and score every time the Rams have the ball to stop teams from using up clock and playing keep away. It forces the Tams to play mistake free offense, which is tough to do with long slow drives.
 

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The Chargers are currently dead last in the NFL in run D, by a significant margin. They're giving up 50.. 50! more yards per game than the Rams on the ground and are giving up more points as well.

Teams have had a chance to scheme for the Staley D after a full offseason. If the Chargers were middle of the pack, I'd say there was some room for argument about talent differences... but they are absolutely dead effing last and getting trampled on the ground.

Fair enough. But can you make the case that our defense would have taken this much of a step back had Staley remained?
 

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If the philosophy of this defense is bend and don't break yet we let other teams easily move down the field every time then I say forget it. Play tighter coverage and fill the running lanes. See what happens. Change things up. Tires of seeing receivers make uncontested catches in front of our defense.
 

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Fair enough. But can you make the case that our defense would have taken this much of a step back had Staley remained?
Absolutely.

The Chargers D is worse this year than last.