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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_d48166aa-75ee-532a-85e3-8a944a339f3f.html

CLAYTON • The Rams have left St. Louis but there may be a $19 million parting gift for the team still on the table.

The same lease that allowed the National Football League team to leave for Los Angeles may also allow it to buy its practice facility in Earth City for just $1.

The public board that governs the Edward Jones Dome, where the Rams played, sued on Thursday to block the team from buying Rams Park.

The Jones Dome authority owns the park’s 27 acres. It leased the facility to the Rams for $25,000 a year.

Now the board wants to sell the land, once appraised by the county for nearly $19 million. The proceeds could be used to refill dome authority bank accounts, after efforts to plan a new riverfront stadium and keep the Rams in St. Louis totaled more than $16 million. The authority has previously acknowledged it does not have enough money for future facility upkeep.

But a clause in the Rams lease gives the team the option to buy the park — for $1 — after the dome’s 29th anniversary in 2024.

And the dome authority says it can’t sell the land if the Rams have such an option.

The suit, filed by authority attorneys Blitz, Bardgett & Deutsch, wants an answer now.

“The (dome authority) owns the training facility, which is a valuable asset,” said Blitz attorney Chris Bauman. “We have a responsibility to maximize the value of that. And to do that, we need certainty concerning this invalid option.”

Rams owner Stan Kroenke applied to National Football League owners in January to move the team to Los Angeles. In his application, he blasted the region, arguing St. Louis’ population and economic growth is so sluggish it can’t support three professional sports teams.

Later that month, the NFL owners approved Kroenke’s move, leaving local officials embittered and fans distraught.

Now leaders here wonder if the Rams really do want to buy the land; they have intimated they do, the suit says.

“I think it would be bad form and in bad character,” said Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the effort to build the riverfront football stadium, along with attorney Bob Blitz. “Just because you have the right to do something doesn’t make it right.”

It is unclear if anyone has asked Kroenke to give up the option. Kevin Demoff, the Rams’ chief operating officer, declined to comment.

The Rams lease on the Jones Dome expires Thursday. The lease on Rams Park was extended to April 30, according to the lawsuit.

On its face, the lease says the Rams have the right to buy Rams Park for $1. Moreover, it says, that option “shall survive any termination of the Lease regardless of the reason for such termination, and Lessee shall after any termination continue to have the right to exercise the Option as herein provided.”

But the lawsuit argues that the Rams’ departure doesn’t terminate the lease; the Rams went year-to-year, as allowed in the lease, and the year simply expires. The lease, the suit continues, says the $1 option survives a termination, not an expiration.

Moreover, the suit argues that the lease gives the Rams the option forever, without an end date — and the law does not allow someone to tie up a property in perpetuity.

Jim Shrewsbury, president of the Dome Authority board, said he wasn’t emotional over the issue.

“It’s a dispute over the terms of the lease,” he said. “They believe they have an option. We do not believe that option is enforceable.”

“It’s a business dispute,” he said. “My goal is to do what’s best for the regional sports authority and for the region.”

And the dome authority, he said, needs the money.
 

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RSA screws St. Louis again. First the "Top Tier" clause and now this. I hope you folks in St. Louis now get how the people who made the deal to get the Rams sold out the future of St. Louis, they didn't care about what would happen 20 years down the road. Kroenke keeps getting all the blame, but the folks that negotiated the lease and other contracts are the real villans. Sen Eagelton, who was involved in the whole process, knew and didn't care. He commented about the lease, "Doesn't matter to me, I'll be dead in20 years".
 

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Kroenke keeps getting all the blame,

He and KD will never get a pass for lying to fans from me.

But, I understand now how sad the STL side was (only the city leaders).

That said.

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I've said it since the whole relocation saga started to unfold and all the details of the lease with the Rams/CVC started to unfold. The people who negotiated this deal really screwed over the people of St Louis and Missouri as a whole. That they would put this kind of clause in there even with the disclaimer that voiding the lease doesn't void the purchase option is downright criminal. Every one responsible on the public side should be thrown in jail.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...awsuit-over-their-missouri-practice-facility/

Rams face lawsuit over their Missouri practice facility
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2016

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Their time in St. Louis is over, but their business there is far from done.

As explained by David Hunn of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Rams have been sued regarding the team’s apparent right to buy the 27-acre tract that houses the team’s now-vacated practice facility in Earth City.

Under the lease that the Rams signed in 1995, the Rams have the ability to purchase the land for the low, low price of $1 in 2024 — even if they have left the property and even if the property is being leased to someone else. The public board that governs the Edward Jones Dome wants to scrap the lease term and sell the property now; it previously was appraised at $19 million.

“The [Edward Jones Dome Authority] owns the training facility, which is a valuable asset,” attorney Chris Bauman told Hunn. “We have a responsibility to maximize the value of that. And to do that, we need certainty concerning this invalid option.”

The lawsuit is intended to obtain a ruling that the term in the lease should be rejected. The Rams haven’t commented on whether they intend to exercise or waive the option.

As the lawsuit unfolds, the Rams’ intentions will quickly be known. And the Rams have every right, whether folks in St. Louis like it or not, to take advantage of every benefit provided to the team under the terms of the lease that lured the team to town more than 20 years ago.

Sure, owner Stan Kroenke arguably should walk away from the ability to buy the property for just one of his billions of dollars. But Kroenke hasn’t built an empire by walking away from good business deals. This lingering branch of a deal done more than two decades ago allows him to potentially turn a single dollar into $19 million more.
 

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If he buys it it'll make me sick. If he had an ounce of class he'd forego the option, especially after the shit he said about STL.
 

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This is why its important to educate ourselves and vote, folks. Our elected leaders can really screw the pooch for us.
 

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The Rams need to give this one to St. Louis. You already shit on the city. Don't add insult to injury. Or injury to injury.

I'll be disgusted with this team if they fight this one out in court.
 

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Do the Rams even want it? Obviously Kroenke can go and sell it, but 19 million is chump change to him, why would he care? It looks to me like the city is suing so they can sell it before 2024, but I don't see anything that suggests the Rams tried to buy it, other than the lawsuit suggesting they have looked into it.. Which sorry, I'm not buying at this point.
 

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I've said it since the whole relocation saga started to unfold and all the details of the lease with the Rams/CVC started to unfold. The people who negotiated this deal really screwed over the people of St Louis and Missouri as a whole. That they would put this kind of clause in there even with the disclaimer that voiding the lease doesn't void the purchase option is downright criminal. Every one responsible on the public side should be thrown in jail.

It was similar to The Treaty of Versailles!
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Do the Rams even want it? Obviously Kroenke can go and sell it, but 19 million is chump change to him, why would he care? It looks to me like the city is suing so they can sell it before 2024, but I don't see anything that suggests the Rams tried to buy it, other than the lawsuit suggesting they have looked into it.. Which sorry, I'm not buying at this point.

Just an assumption but I don't think the city would preemptively file suit without talking to the Rams. I have a feeling the city would try to get the Rams to relinquish or waive the right before they did anything with the courts. Could be wrong.
 

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I don't give a shit. It's funny how all this shit comes out now from the STL media to try and get even or lash out: Michael Sam/ Hard Knocks story, Rams Park, whatever's left of what they have left to try and degrade the old ex after the split up. Move on you fuck tards.
 

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The officials in the 90's totally screwed the city in drawing the Rams the way they did....Do I like Stan Kroenke that much? No....I think if there was a dollar in it, he would screw me over in a heartbeat. However, if I sign a contract that gives him 19 million dollars in property for a single dollar in 30 years, no matter what..Who's effing fault is that? So now St Louis is saying, "Stan, please don't screw us."

Yeah....:jerkoff:
 

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So STL and the Rams agreed upon and executed a contract wherein that property became available to the Rams for a dollar in 2024. They also agreed on a lease wherein they would supply the Rams a top tier facility or the Rams could walk. But they want to honor neither, and are complaining about both? Do I have that much right? I don't really care who's morally obligated to do what's right. A contract is a contract, and I made my living on people claiming the contract they executed was unfair and wanted a "take back".

Hey. Here's an idea. Don't sign it in the first place then.
 

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So STL and the Rams agreed upon and executed a contract wherein that property became available to the Rams for a dollar in 2024. They also agreed on a lease wherein they would supply the Rams a top tier facility or the Rams could walk. But they want to honor neither, and are complaining about both? Do I have that much right? I don't really care who's morally obligated to do what's right. A contract is a contract, and I made my living on people claiming the contract they executed was unfair and wanted a "take back.".

Hey. Here's an idea. Don't sign it in the first place then.

It doesn't work that way. Like when I was in the Army, a friend of mine joined at the same time with the same contract with me, via the buddy system. We got the MOS of our choice as long as we could pass the training, and in return the Army got our service. Since it was the buddy program, we would both go to the same unit and serve together, go to war together, it'd be a blast...

Except my friend hurt his v̶a̶g̶i̶n̶a̶ foot and quit during Airborne school (right before jump week, it's so funny how many people suddenly get injured right before we start to jump), so he never got to go to RIP and be a Ranger... So he was stuck as a regular Infantryman and got sent to Fort Polk Louisiana to do shit work for four years, while I went to Fort Benning to be a goddamn A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶J̶e̶d̶i̶ train all the time and then do cool shit every so often... (Although I did totally get to wear a Jedi tab and Star Wars morale patches, which is among the highlights of my career)

Well after about a year there he decided he had enough, so he told the Army he wasn't going to do it anymore, he wanted to smoke pot and do his own thing, not play Army. He told them how his contract initially stated one thing, and sure he failed to fulfill his side of the deal which led to his circumstances, but still he wanted out. And you know what? The Army said okay, they let him go no harm no foul. After all, when he signed the contract he didn't know he was going to be a quitter.

Just kidding, he's in Leavenworth until 2018 for drug trafficking and attempting to run a prostitution ring.
 

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RSA screws St. Louis again. First the "Top Tier" clause and now this. I hope you folks in St. Louis now get how the people who made the deal to get the Rams sold out the future of St. Louis, they didn't care about what would happen 20 years down the road. Kroenke keeps getting all the blame, but the folks that negotiated the lease and other contracts are the real villans. Sen Eagelton, who was involved in the whole process, knew and didn't care. He commented about the lease, "Doesn't matter to me, I'll be dead in20 years".
STL did everything they could within their powers to steal the team.

LA literally didn't do anything and they were rewarded a team.

It's crazy when you think about it.
 

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It doesn't work that way. Like when I was in the Army, a friend of mine joined at the same time with the same contract with me, via the buddy system. We got the MOS of our choice as long as we could pass the training, and in return the Army got our service. Since it was the buddy program, we would both go to the same unit and serve together, go to war together, it'd be a blast...

Except my friend hurt his v̶a̶g̶i̶n̶a̶ foot and quit during Airborne school (right before jump week, it's so funny how many people suddenly get injured right before we start to jump), so he never got to go to RIP and be a Ranger... So he was stuck as a regular Infantryman and got sent to Fort Polk Louisiana to do crap work for four years, while I went to Fort Benning to be a goddamn A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶J̶e̶d̶i̶ train all the time and then do cool crap every so often... (Although I did totally get to wear a Jedi tab and Star Wars morale patches, which is among the highlights of my career)

Well after about a year there he decided he had enough, so he told the Army he wasn't going to do it anymore, he wanted to smoke pot and do his own thing, not play Army. He told them how his contract initially stated one thing, and sure he failed to fulfill his side of the deal which led to his circumstances, but still he wanted out. And you know what? The Army said okay, they let him go no harm no foul. After all, when he signed the contract he didn't know he was going to be a quitter.

Just kidding, he's in Leavenworth until 2018 for drug trafficking and attempting to run a prostitution ring.
You should be with him at Leavenworth like a real buddy would..SLACKER!