From the 2023 draft, Anthony Richardson is basically QB3 on his team. Will Levis is currently unsigned, auditioning for a QB3 job. Hendon Hooker is a PS guy. It is conceivable that before Ty Simpson becomes the full-time starter for the Rams, his backup will be a QB from the 2025 or 2026 draft, after getting dumped by a different team. Dare I say, it could even be Fernando Mendoza. Could you imagine that strange scenario?
Rams: (#13) 1st Round QB Ty Simpson SIGNED
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Responding by calling my comments stupid feels insulting, like you're attacking me for expressing an opinion. Why do you have to adopt an air of superiority? Just because you disagree with things I might post doesn't mean that you have to be disrespectful.
I have the prerogative to feel and say what I want about players the Rams draft. That's my right as a fan. If you want to disagree, just disagree. If you want to complete ignore it, just ignore it. What is the point of a message board if every single person says the same thing and has the exact same opinion?
They weren't booing because they disliked McNabb. They were booing because they all wanted Ricky Williams. Much like Rams fans who wanted some sure fire stud (they think) like Makai Lemon. Somebody talented enough (they think) to earn snaps on an extremely deep team.
And it really isn't "alright". It was crass. It was bush. It was shitting all over what should have been the proudest moment for a college athlete. It was fans demonstrating they didn't know jackshit. They preferred an unmotivated, pothead who never played for love of the game.
Those of us who know many Eagle fans weren't surprised. When shit like that happens we refer to them as Pennsyltuckians. Sheltered too long with their head stuck up their ass in the backwoods of Appalacia to know any better.
El Chapo Jr
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I meant to type Fitzpatrick lmao...... the Harvard QB. That's what I get for posting late at night.Fitzgerald?
El Chapo Jr
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Someone brought this to my attention and I meant Fitzpatrick not Fitzgerald hahaha.....oh boy
El Chapo Jr
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They were wrong on the merits, but they were within their rights to have opinions about the team's decision. Fans don't need to be cheerleaders for their favorite teams. What makes Eagles fans sometimes rude and obnoxious is also why so many of them show up in SoFi to watch them play on the road against the Rams. They are emotionally invested in their team. That's not a bad thing, even if it doesn't always manifest itself in healthy ways.
Saying fans booed McNabb being drafted has absolutely nothing to do with how Ty Simpson has played so far in his extremely limited time with the Rams.
You have a prerogative to say think and feel what you want absolutely. As do I and this comparison and these past handful of pages are absolutely
Pick your negative or derogatory adjective.
Discussing how they performed isn't the same as crowning them as stars or writing them off as busts. Detailing how Simpson looks right now is useful to create a "baseline" that we can return to down the road to measure his progress.
In 2017, Carson Wentz was considered to be an MVP candidate before tearing his ACL late in the season. In 2018, his stats declined and the media narrative was that he had regressed. There were reports of fractures within the team with players questioning his leadership. IMO, the narrative was wrong. After studying his tape, I felt that as an individual player, Wentz was actually better in 2018 than in 2017, even though his stats weren't as good.
Knowing how Simpson is playing now gives us a snapshot in time that we can in future seasons to measure his progress. Even if the preseason stats aren't as good, his play traits in how he executes on the field might be better. The Rams could be asking him to make more difficult throws and reads, so his completion rate could go down even though he's a better QB.
For example, take the part where we were talking about how he carries out ball fakes on play action passes. In all honestly, that part likely had zero impact on how many passes he completed this year in the preseason. It still is something to work on, so if he got better, you probably wouldn't even notice it at all if you just looked at his passing stats.
It's said opinions and assholes are quite prevalent. I'm not talking about having an opinion or expressing it. I'm talking about Eagle fans behaving like perfect assholes AT THE DRAFT when these kids get a chance at a wonderful future. Yes Eagle fans are passionate. They're emotionally invested in their team. And none of that makes them wise. At least not enough to boo what should be some kids greatest moment to that point in their life. Likewise with the Simpson pick. Oh yeah, many fans and many media talking heads said, "what a dumb pick. Why not get somebody who can help this year?".....as if we had a team with lots of holes. Surely Makai Lemon would move right into the #3 WR position, right? Sure.
Weren't there some people unhappy with the Verse pick in 2024? No matter who is picked in any slot, somebody knows a player who would have been a better choice. We're just that fucking smart.
I have no problem with somebody having an opinion. The more the merrier. I have some problems with some opinions. I'm of the opinion that this team was so good prior to the draft, they realized no matter who they picked in the first round, they might not see the field much this year. That goes for Makai Lemon, Ruben Bain, Kenyon Sadiq or anybody. So there's a guy sitting there who you've interviewed and are totally blown away by his football acumen, that you decide.....since whomever we pick is going to sit a lot, why not pick a guy we love who may take over for #9 in a couple of years?
Can I get a show of hands by anybody who has interviewed Ty Simpson? Can I get a show of hands by anybody who knows multiple scouts who have watched Ty Simpson? Can I get a show of hands by anybody with a resume close to Les Snead or Sean McVay? Didn't think so.
With that comment, are you classier than the Eagles fans you are criticizing? We're talking about Ty Simpson and you go out of your way to take a shot at Eagles fans. I don't think it is a cool move to go scorched earth policy and throw firebombs at everyone just to defend your side of the discussion.
Really? We're talking about Ty Simpson and you're the one who brought Eagle fans into the fucking discussion. And now you want to blame me for having a longstanding opinion of them? I know them waaaaaay better than you, I promise.
And I'm not "defending" my side of the discussion. I couldn't give a shit. Simpson was our pick. There are reasons to doubt that and reasons to embrace it. But the fact remains, he was the pick. You want to continue to chew on that bone, have at it.
I'm not as smart as the guy running the show for the Rams, so I'll just enjoy the success.
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Although I really do appreciate what you just posted,...was that last part really necessary though? Of course no one is going to raise their hands, we are fucking everyday fans (sorry just learned I've been speaking French all along haha). It's a board my dude and opinions will be all over it. Asking these questions to me equates to shitting on someone's thoughts. I'm sure of all the opinions shared on here, we all win some and lose some.
I understand the logic on the pick. I've said before that on paper it makes perfect logical sense. If the Rams continue to win and we trade away high picks, we likely will never be in a position to draft a QB high in the 1st round, because we won't hold a draft slot that high. It doesn't matter whether Ty Simpson is the best QB prospect over the last decade, because the key question is whether he's the best QB prospect the Rams could get in any realistic scenario for the foreseeable future.
McVay loved Simpson and the rule of thumb for me is always draft a QB that you love. Don't draft a QB just for the sake of taking a QB. If you really like a particular QB, go get him.
The other side of that coin, however, is Simpson needs to become the QB Snead and McVay thought they were drafting. The Rams have been wrong multiple times about other players we've drafted. Gerald Everett was supposed to be our Jordan Reed. Van Jefferson was supposed to be some mix of Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp. Brycen Hopkins was supposedly the top ranked TE on our board. Cam Akers was going to be a 3-down star RB. Don't get me started about Tutu Atwell. McVay wanted to trade up to get Logan Bruss.
Not as much was riding on any of those other picks. Ty Simpson is a much more important decision than all of those. Arguably as important as all of those other selection combined.
El Chapo Jr
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How do you know if you haven't been given the opportunity to run the show?
Do you think that Rams fans posting on ROD about Simpson's preseason games is the moral equivalent of Eagles (or say Jets fans back when the draft was in Radio City Music Hall) booing at players on stage? The reason I mentioned McNabb (and JJ Watt) is to illustrate how it is very common and normal for NFL fans to have very strong feelings about draft picks, especially high 1st round picks. The NFL actively encourages this as part of their business model, because they want fans to watch the NFL draft and pay attention to the NFL year round, to make money. The NFL doesn't want fans to have a "oh, the draft isn't very important" attitude.
I don't think that going off on a tangent about whether we like Eagles fans, Patriot fans, Packers fans (as expected, they were deeply divided about Aaron Rodgers, believing that GB hurt Favre's chances of getting back to the SB when they drafted ARod) isn't really relevant to the point at hand. Packers fans who hated the ARod pick ultimately were proved extremely wrong about how they reacted to the selection. How they reacted to it, including ARod's early struggles in the preseason, was fair game for discussion. The decision proved to be vital for the franchise and helped them win another SB.
You brought them into the discussion. I simply took the opportunity to point out what fucking idiots they were in 1999. Reid drafted McNabb and they were in the Super Bowl in 5 years. Ricky Williams had some good years but was retired by 2004. Then came back because he needed money. And to my knowledge didn't sniff a SB his entire career.
Eagle fans were dumb to boo the pick. Dumb. McNabb > Ricky Williams.
I guess we ought to keep a running record of who would have been a better pick than Ty Simpson at #13.......monitor their stats and contribution to their team.
Rueben Bain (Tampa)
Kenyon Sadiq (Jets)
Makai Lemon (Philly)
KC Concepcion (Cleve)
Omar Cooper (Jets)
any other guys who would have been a better choice than Simpson? Let's list em and see what happens, eh?
Rueben Bain (Tampa)
Kenyon Sadiq (Jets)
Makai Lemon (Philly)
KC Concepcion (Cleve)
Omar Cooper (Jets)
any other guys who would have been a better choice than Simpson? Let's list em and see what happens, eh?
I intentionally chose this example and the JJ Watt example, precisely because the fans ultimately were proved to be wrong about how they reacted to the selections. I don't think you are following the reason for why I mentioned the example. The point is that fan reaction to picks is very common. It wasn't to argue that Texan fans were right about thinking Watt was going to be a bust and was a reach.
The Rams have a much more laid-back and mild fan base vs other NFL teams. If we were Dallas Cowboy fans talking about a QB Jerry Jones drafted in the 1st round, can you guess how many pages this thread would be? It would take forever to read all of the comments.
Again, I don't have a problem with someone saying something critical about Simpson. I was on his bandwagon much before the draft so I probably will disagree with your criticism but I honor your right to hold that opinion.
We agree that failed picks are significant. Where I can't align with your position is in blowing the significance of one failed pick out of proportion. ALL teams miss on draft picks often. If we did a hindsight analysis on every failed pick by looking at the Trent McDuffie type (or Creed Humphrey, remember him?) the team could have had instead, no GM would survive, even the good ones. So, burying the GM because of one miss is epically stupid.