He is so damn hard to listen to. I guess he's Irish, but he sounds super Canadian to me. I can't stand him..... And I'm 50% canuck!!
Rams: (#13) 1st Round QB Ty Simpson SIGNED
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Even though anyone with a pic of himself shredding a guitar with long hair and an Everett jersey on automatically has the moral high ground.
Nah. I'm old and not quite as flexible as I used to be. I have to beg someone else to pat me on the back. But hey. In turn I am always sure to lick them in the face and wag my tail.
I like Colin Cowherd but sometimes he goes overboard. For instance, today.....
He's talking about how hard it is to find a franchise QB. So he looks at all the QBs drafted from 2021 - 2025 and this is what he's discovered. There were 57 QBs drafted and just 6 he considers franchise QBs, so that's a 10% success rate. No shit? Set in stone? These are his guys. Caleb, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Purdy and Lawrence. So his guy this year is Mendoza and that's it.
Now let's be fair. In the history of the NFL, how many franchise QBs come from outside the first round? In reality, if you want a franchise QB, you better target him in the first round or get extremely lucky. Wouldn't it be a little more honest to look at first round QBs drafted? 17 the last 5 years and how many look like franchise QBs? Let's use his first round QBs....Caleb, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Lawrence. That's a tick shy of 33%. Let's throw Daniels in there and it's a tick above 33%.
But that's not exactly right either. Let's look at the desperate swings in the first round the last 5 years. Penix, Young, Richardson, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones and if we're being honest, Dart. That's 8. 17 - 8 is 9 and there's 6 franchise guys? That's about 66%. In conclusion we have to decide whether drafting Simpson was "desperate" or calculated.
My vote is calculated.
1. They already have a franchise QB
2. They have a SB ready team
3. They have one of the best coaches in the NFL
4. They're coming off 3 consecutive 10 win (+) seasons.
And what I've discovered is over the years, calculated is pretty successful. Over the last 10 years, there were 5 teams who drafted a QB while having a SB winning QB on the roster.
Baltimore: Lamar/Flacco
NYGiants: D.Jones/Manning
Green Bay: Love/Rodgers
Pittsburgh: Pickett/Roethlisberger
LA Rams: Simpson/Stafford
That's calculated to me. Two of the previous 4 seem to be franchise QBs and a third didn't make it with his team but seems to be thriving with his new team. The 4th is certainly not a franchise QB and drafting him could be considered desperate since it was a very poor QB class. Hell the best QB was Mr Irrelevant for god sakes!!!!! Furthermore, the two who could be considered FQ didn't start in year 1. Sounds a lot like our guy. We'll see in the coming years.
He's talking about how hard it is to find a franchise QB. So he looks at all the QBs drafted from 2021 - 2025 and this is what he's discovered. There were 57 QBs drafted and just 6 he considers franchise QBs, so that's a 10% success rate. No shit? Set in stone? These are his guys. Caleb, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Purdy and Lawrence. So his guy this year is Mendoza and that's it.
Now let's be fair. In the history of the NFL, how many franchise QBs come from outside the first round? In reality, if you want a franchise QB, you better target him in the first round or get extremely lucky. Wouldn't it be a little more honest to look at first round QBs drafted? 17 the last 5 years and how many look like franchise QBs? Let's use his first round QBs....Caleb, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Lawrence. That's a tick shy of 33%. Let's throw Daniels in there and it's a tick above 33%.
But that's not exactly right either. Let's look at the desperate swings in the first round the last 5 years. Penix, Young, Richardson, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones and if we're being honest, Dart. That's 8. 17 - 8 is 9 and there's 6 franchise guys? That's about 66%. In conclusion we have to decide whether drafting Simpson was "desperate" or calculated.
My vote is calculated.
1. They already have a franchise QB
2. They have a SB ready team
3. They have one of the best coaches in the NFL
4. They're coming off 3 consecutive 10 win (+) seasons.
And what I've discovered is over the years, calculated is pretty successful. Over the last 10 years, there were 5 teams who drafted a QB while having a SB winning QB on the roster.
Baltimore: Lamar/Flacco
NYGiants: D.Jones/Manning
Green Bay: Love/Rodgers
Pittsburgh: Pickett/Roethlisberger
LA Rams: Simpson/Stafford
That's calculated to me. Two of the previous 4 seem to be franchise QBs and a third didn't make it with his team but seems to be thriving with his new team. The 4th is certainly not a franchise QB and drafting him could be considered desperate since it was a very poor QB class. Hell the best QB was Mr Irrelevant for god sakes!!!!! Furthermore, the two who could be considered FQ didn't start in year 1. Sounds a lot like our guy. We'll see in the coming years.
I watched this segment too. I was a bit surprised, after he's recently raved about Simpson, that he only picked Mendoza as this last draft's franchise qb. Why didn't he include Simpson, who seems to be doing as well as Mendoza 1 game into the preseason.
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It's all way too early to get caught up in who's gonna be what. One preseason game is nothing but Simpson is definitely on the right track. The kid still has a ways to go and should be given that time in this world of wanting instant results. I expect some bumps in the road for Simpson but he's got Stafford and McVay there to help him out along the way. Hopefully it plays out in the Rams favor.
He didn't include Simpson because it would have gone against his flawed 10% theory.
Absolutely. Thing is we won't know for a few years. Of those two first round QBs, the media seems to believe Mendoza will be a starter sooner, while Simpson will be a spectator for a couple of years. Consequently, we should know about Mendoza sooner than Simpson.
My bitch with Cowherd is his theory (10%). 57 QBs drafted the last 5 years (which is wrong...it's 58 QBs drafted the last 5, not counting 2026)? Here's the breakdown by round.
1st: 17
2nd: 3
3rd: 8
4th: 5
5th: 8
6th: 10
7th: 7
17 in the first round and 41 in rounds 2 through 7. I'm sure we don't expect many franchise QBs from that latter group. There are always exceptions to any rule. Prescott (4th), Cousins (4th), Brady (6th), Wilson (3rd), Hurts (2nd), Shough (2nd), Purdy (7th), Warner (UDFA). And it's debatable if all those guys are truly "franchise QBs". The overwhelming majority come from the 1st round for obvious reasons. They are considered the most talented of the NCAA QBs and teams are also heavily invested in them financially.
It seems Mr. Cowherd is guilty of using statistics like many others....for support rather than illumination. A couple of flaws in CC's theory. First, the overall number skews the entire theory. He knows from round 5 through 7 there's only a snowball's chance in hell to find a franchise QB. And that's where 25 of those 58 come from. Another thing is why "the last 5 years"? How long does it take to determine if a guy is a franchise QB or not? 3 years? 5 years? If you take a guy like Goff in year one he was a bust then along comes McVay and he's a franchise QB. Danial Jones sucked for 6 years with the Giants. With the Colts and Steichen, he appears to be a completely different QB. How about Darnold? 3 lost years with the Jets, 2 with Carolina, 1 as a spectator in SF and in year 7, 14-3 in Minnesota then 14-3 in Seattle and a SB Championship.
Let's go back a bit further with our "theory". Say, from 2017 to 2021. And lets be fair about it. First 2 rounds. 24 QBs, 11 Franchise QBs.
Lawrence
Burrow
Herbert
Love
D. Jones
Baker
Darnold
Allen
Lamar
Mahomes
Hurts (2nd round)
That's 45.8% hit rate. And even if we disagree on Daniel Jones or Hurts or Love, let's say at worst, 33% (8 of 24). It isn't that great but it ain't the 10% which Cowherd claims to be so sure.
As the saying goes, "some folks use statistics like the drunk uses the lamp post....for support rather than illumination".
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Not only was this a meaningless exercise by Colin, but trying to rate quarterbacks after 1 preseason game, as Colin did, is actually borderline psychotic. Get a girlfriend, Colin.
I used to listen to Cowherd every day on the radio while working on the road. Now, retired and all this time on my hands, I watch him but really like the show that follows, First Things First. Sure the three hosts have clear biases to the Chiefs (Nick Wright), Patriots (Kevin Wildes) and Ravens (Chris Broussard) as well as occasionally Danny Parkins (Bears), but they all give their takes on any given subject, unlike a solitary slant like CC. They also have regular guests Greg Jennings and Eric Mangini (who I like much more as a commentator than a coach). It's a well-rounded show, with at minimum, 3 different views, sometimes 4.
I like a lot of what you’re saying and I agree the Rams’ situation with Simpson feels more calculated than desperate. Having Stafford, McVay, a contending roster, and three straight 10-win seasons is a much better landing spot than most of those “desperate swing” QBs ever got. Sitting and learning behind a smart veteran is how Love and Lamar both turned out well, so the process makes sense.
Where I respectfully disagree is on how we should view Cowherd’s six and the overall hit rate.
His list (Williams, Maye, Nix, Stroud, Purdy, Lawrence) isn’t perfect, but those are the guys who have actually shown they can be long-term starters you build around. Maye and Williams look like the highest-upside ones right now, Lawrence and Purdy have the multi-year track records, and Stroud/Nix are still clearly in the franchise conversation even with some bumps. That’s a different group from Penix, Richardson, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones, and Dart. Most of that second group has already been moved on from or is still fighting just to be considered viable.
Bryce Young is the clear exception in that group. He’s become a legitimate starting quarterback who can make plays and lead a team with both his arm and legs. Whether he reaches true elite franchise status is still the question, but he’s earned a better evaluation than the rest of those desperate swings.
On Simpson and Mendoza: Simpson has a real chance because of the excellent situation, but it’s still early projection after limited college starts. Mendoza got the cleaner positive marks from Cowherd simply because he was the clear QB1 in the class with the higher pedigree. I think CC's dialing down after the high praise he gave to the Rams, McVay and Simpson already. It's far t early to make any definitive conclusions after one preseason game.
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I'm not saying Simpson is going to be a franchise QB (though I think he's got a good shot, all things considered). It is waaaaaaaay to early to tell. My bitch is CC has put his money on Mendoza and is basically saying, "that's it. That's the one franchise QB in this draft". In other words, yes it is certainly to early to proclaim either of them is which means it's certainly too early to claim either of them isn't. Right?
It all makes perfect sense, if you start with the premise that Colin Cowherd is now, and has always been, a know nothing, blowhard asshole.
Of course. Otherwise known as, a typical episode of Cowherd Claptrap.
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Being in sports media and successful for so long with his style, CC essentially likes to take a stance much earlier on prospects while also being a hypocrite about how he does it. Its essentially how he's drawn in folks. If Simpson pans out, somehow Cowherd will say he saw it all along. Its all about getting them views, damn being a bullshitter lol.....
Colin is leaving out a very important part about Mendoza. He is a RAIDER.
If Fernando succeeds he will have to plow though the shit storm and dumpster fire the Raiders have been for a long..... long time.
Simpson has a golden boy situation in comparison.
If Fernando succeeds he will have to plow though the shit storm and dumpster fire the Raiders have been for a long..... long time.
Simpson has a golden boy situation in comparison.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's always right!!!
There's a segment where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Odd for a guy who always likes to tout how much he's right. To me, many times, he's not any different than the internet guy who says, "you heard it here first". Like I said, I prefer First Things First. I don't like Barstool. GMFB is okay but Brandt can be a dick. And Cowherd has good days and bad. At least with FTF, you get 3 different viewpoints and IMO, despite having favorites, they are as non-biased as possible.
@Karate61 , you're right. He was all over Simpson early on. Before he played a preseason snap. But that was based mostly on how much he trusts Les Snead and McVay. Then when the kid played he doubled down. Now with his 10% theory, he can only have one guy because only 10 QBs were drafted this year. I'll lay money right now, if Simpson starts in 2028 and lights it up, he'll claim he was all over that kid in 2026 and he'll play replays from earlier this year where he was talking him up.
It’ll be interesting to see how much Mendoza plays this year. Tom Brady’s whole philosophy—and he’s said this to Cowherd several times—is that rookie QBs should never ever play. And that the first season is meant for development and learning. But it’s hard to justify that stance when you spend the number 1 pick on someone. If Cousins is stinking up the joint there is gonna be a lotta pressure to play Mendoza. Also could lead to some conflict over who is calling the shots…Brady or Kubiak.
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Honestly think a rookie should only play in the 1st year is if its a lost year so basically the later half ... simply for game experience. Obviously there's other factors that come into play but that's where I'd understand it.