Rams #1 on short yardage

[So Ram]

Kyrens 3 fumble season he has 260 total touches
his 5 fumble season he had 350

Henry his 5 fumble season had 320
his 6 fumble season he had 372

Gurley had 343 in his 5 fumble season
Zeke had 354, 381 and 292


You're also comparing 2 of Kryen's 3 seasons to 2 of Henry's 9. A little context counts.

Eight fumbles in 654 total touches for one every 81.75 touches and one run over 50 yards
Henry 20 fumbles in 2,529 total touches for one ever 126.45 touches and every year but his rookie year he's broken many long runs most over 70 yards. We all know Gurleys home run ability too.

Nobody is saying Kryen isn't a good back. Nobody says he's terrible because he fumbles. But his fumbles are always at the worst time and he simply doesn't have the ability to change a game with a long run.

If his fumbles come at the worst times,it must mean he is trying to do more on himself.

I couldn’t tell you what games he cost The Rams Offensive Line.What I will say is Fred Warner is great at punching a football out.I think he got at least one of those. The Defensive Teams really emphasize punching the Ball out.

Ron Gould will help to address the fumbling and the problem will be addressed as a group.U do like the way Jarquez Hunter secures the football.Kyren like to switch arms which in traffic from behind exposes the football.

All the numbers are fair.The last fumble Kyren Williams had still hurts a little,do you blame the Snow ?? IMO Kyren will continue to grow as a player & the hope is he is able to secure the football better.

The Rams Super Bowl run Cam Akers against TBay almost cost The Rams that season.

 

[dieterbrock]

PFF- Williams ranked 32nd out of 37 running backs in pass-blocking and had the fifth-highest allowed pressure opportunity rate.

That goes to show how useless PFF stats can be
Anyone saying that Kyren's pass blocking isnt borderline elite is not watching the games
Over the last 2 years he's top 3 in TD production for RB and in 1st down runs.
I get that fans want the fancy "explosive" back, and there is no argument that he is and never will be that.
But seeing Rams fans tearing down the things he does well and amongst the best in the league just makes me shake my head

 

[dieterbrock]

If his fumbles come at the worst times,it must mean he is trying to do more on himself.

I wish that were the case, fumbling while fighting for the extra yard or reaching out for that extra bit. But it really isnt. His fumble against Philly was a lack of concentration and the ball got punched out, was a great play by the D, but he was holding the ball like a loaf of bread in the backfield and just has to be more aware than that.
I'm one of his biggest fans, but there's just no way to sugar coat his fumbles. He has to be better

 

[CoachAllred]

That goes to show how useless PFF stats can be
Anyone saying that Kyren's pass blocking isnt borderline elite is not watching the games
Over the last 2 years he's top 3 in TD production for RB and in 1st down runs.
I get that fans want the fancy "explosive" back, and there is no argument that he is and never will be that.
But seeing Rams fans tearing down the things he does well and amongst the best in the league just makes me shake my head

I like Kyren, but when I hear top ten back I shake my head.
and I know we lost Avilla and Havenstein for significant time.
I would like nothing more than to proven wrong.

These 3 stats are not oline or pff related

He ranked 37th in missed tackles forced.

40th in yards after contact.

6 fumbles, 4 lost. including one in playoffs


Kyren is a good grinder and will find those 4 or 5 yd chunks all day,
unless Rams are playing a top run D
a excellent Goal line back,

But I don't see top ten back as some call him.

Ideally I would like to see a 3 headed monster at RB.

I am not anti-Kyren I am pro Ram if Kyren goes off this year I will rejoice.
Just wanting see more explosive running plays this year.

 

[dang]

I like Kyren, but when I hear top ten back I shake my head.
and I know we lost Avilla and Havenstein for significant time.
I would like nothing more than to proven wrong.

These 3 stats are not oline or pff related

He ranked 37th in missed tackles forced.

40th in yards after contact.

6 fumbles, 4 lost. including one in playoffs


Kyren is a good grinder and will find those 4 or 5 yd chunks all day,
unless Rams are playing a top run D
a excellent Goal line back,

But I don't see top ten back as some call him.

Ideally I would like to see a 3 headed monster at RB.

I am not anti-Kyren I am pro Ram if Kyren goes off this year I will rejoice.
Just wanting see more explosive running plays this year.

Whether KWill was #8, #10, #12 last year is subjective. What he clearly was last year was an effective starting NFL RB who wasn’t explosive and had a few too many fumbles. He isn’t a Barkley or Henry and never will be but until Corum/Hunter/TBD Rams RB of the future proves to be as good or better he is a very effective starting RB for the Rams. And the Rams are lucky to have him.

 

[CoachAllred]

Whether KWill was #8, #10, #12 last year is subjective. What he clearly was last year was an effective starting NFL RB who wasn’t explosive and had a few too many fumbles. He isn’t a Barkley or Henry and never will be but until Corum/Hunter/TBD Rams RB of the future proves to be as good or better he is a very effective starting RB for the Rams. And the Rams are lucky to have him.

I am grateful to have him on the team as well
My points are not meant to speak ill of Kyren, I respect him as RB.

That being said, if Kyren doesn't correct his fumble issues
I Don't see McVay being as patient as in past with Corum having a year in NFL

No one is saying he has to be a Barkley or Henry, but we are in need
of a back that can create extra yds on his own.

When you are ranked 37th in missed tackles and 40th in yards after contact.
and averaged 4.1 yd per carry ranked 33rd a NFL explosive run rate of 1.9 percent
That ranked 44th out of 46 qualified running backs.

Either Kyren has to improve or Corum and Hunter can carry the ball
in a total committee approach and see who rises.

Because other than excellent short YD. or goal line
our running game was below average if you factor in KW
had 3rd most rush att.'s in league.


I Do Not Care if it's Elmer Fudd running the ball.
I just want a Much better running game than Kyren or Corum did last year

 

[den-the-coach]

I Do Not Care if it's Elmer Fudd running the ball.
I just want a Much better running game than Kyren or Corum did last year

Elmer Fudd in cold November Mud, magic still lingers in the very name.

 

[ReekofRams]

I hope in short yardage situations that Limmer is used, because while Shelton was our starting center before we weren’t a good short yardage team.

 

[CoachAllred]

Rookie draft choice Jarquez Hunter provides the perfect cure for what ailed the Los Angeles Rams’ running back room in 2024​

• Kyle Crabbs
• May 21, 2025 12:13 PM EDT

https://atozsports.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams-news/los-angeles-rams-jarquez-hunter-draft-choice-brings-explosive-play-ability/

Upon inspection of both the tape and the numbers from the 2024 season, one thing that becomes apparent quite quickly is the lack of explosiveness in the Rams’ rushing attack this past season. The Rams’ single longest run from the regular season was a paltry 30 yards, and the team logged just 3 rushes of at least 20 yards.

Only five teams in the last 20 years have logged less.

Teams with fewer 20+ yard rushes than the 2024 Rams since 2005:​

• 2006 Arizona Cardinals: 0
• 2019 New York Jets: 2
• 2006 Cleveland Browns: 2
• 2005 Arizona Cardinals: 2
• 2021 Atlanta Falcons: 2

**************************************************************************************************************************************

I respect Kyren and What he has done for this team,
but we can not stick our head in the sand and deny our run game needs
to be a whole lot better than last years..

 

[RamFan503]

Bijan had a slow start to his rookie year, but still put up a 4.8 ypc.
2432 yds rushing , 12 Rushes of 20+ YDS.
918 YDS receiving 8 plays of 20 plus including a71 yd receptio

First of all, that’s his numbers for 2 seasons. Second, he was the 8th overall pick while Kyren was the 164th overall pick. Third, Kyren put up comparably similar numbers (except for KW’s 26 TDs to Bijan’s 18) his two healthy seasons and he even missed 4 games in what was essentially his rookie season.

No one is saying KW is Bijan or Saquan. But your litmus test seems pretty tainted.

Yesterday, I had a bunch of time with the wife out of the house and nothing I had to do. So I watched a bunch of Rams games. There were several games where Kyren WAS our offense for a good percentage of the game. There were a bunch of runs where Kyren slipped through invisible holes and pushed his way through 300 pounders. Several times he absolutely demolished blitzers and was the ONLY thing keeping Staff from being destroyed by a defensive player with a head of steam. He was a pretty good check down option and ran the screen very effectively the few times they used it.

As much as I would love a potential home run hitter, KW is a really good back. And PFF graders can eat a dick with their pass blocking grades. Watch any game where Kyren is in there and your eyes will easily tell you that.

 

[RamFan503]

That goes to show how useless PFF stats can be
Anyone saying that Kyren's pass blocking isnt borderline elite is not watching the games
Over the last 2 years he's top 3 in TD production for RB and in 1st down runs.
I get that fans want the fancy "explosive" back, and there is no argument that he is and never will be that.
But seeing Rams fans tearing down the things he does well and amongst the best in the league just makes me shake my head

I was going to quote a couple parts of this post but then reread it and couldn’t find anything I didn’t completely agree with.

 

[PARAM]

I wish that were the case, fumbling while fighting for the extra yard or reaching out for that extra bit. But it really isnt. His fumble against Philly was a lack of concentration and the ball got punched out, was a great play by the D, but he was holding the ball like a loaf of bread in the backfield and just has to be more aware than that.
I'm one of his biggest fans, but there's just no way to sugar coat his fumbles. He has to be better

Lack of concentration is the thing. And it shouldn't be because he knows (or should know) he wears that label so teams will be trying to exploit that.

On another note I don't get the "fumbles at the worst times" (nothing you said), as if there's ever a good time to fumble. The fumble in itself makes it the worst time.

 

[CoachAllred]

First of all, that’s his numbers for 2 seasons. Second, he was the 8th overall pick while Kyren was the 164th overall pick. Third, Kyren put up comparably similar numbers (except for KW’s 26 TDs to Bijan’s 18) his two healthy seasons and he even missed 4 games in what was essentially his rookie season.

No one is saying KW is Bijan or Saquan. But your litmus test seems pretty tainted.

Yesterday, I had a bunch of time with the wife out of the house and nothing I had to do. So I watched a bunch of Rams games. There were several games where Kyren WAS our offense for a good percentage of the game. There were a bunch of runs where Kyren slipped through invisible holes and pushed his way through 300 pounders. Several times he absolutely demolished blitzers and was the ONLY thing keeping Staff from being destroyed by a defensive player with a head of steam. He was a pretty good check down option and ran the screen very effectively the few times they used it.

As much as I would love a potential home run hitter, KW is a really good back. And PFF graders can eat a dick with their pass blocking grades. Watch any game where Kyren is in there and your eyes will easily tell you that.

Dude my bad on the information being incorrect. Though I think the draft position
Has nothing to do with anything (Puka agrees lol) . It's about production.

I too have been watching some more Kyren of late and may have been being
or sounding ungrateful for the kind of back he is. You're right dude runs hard
and is an absolute grinder, churner of yardage.

If our oline stays healthy his 4.1ypc should be back up to the 4.8 it was
the year before. Though he is not the back who typically will break 30-60
yard run to the house. (And he doesn't have to be)

We now have one if he pans out who can. I hope McVay sticks to committee approach he has mentioned
I had rather not have Kyren having to carry another 300+ times.
unless you're built like Derrick Henry those 300+ carries will shorten a career by quite a bit.
McVay mentioned that he liked the fact that, we have 3 backs each with different skill sets
who should be able to share the load.

 

[RamFan503]

Dude my bad on the information being incorrect. Though I think the draft position
Has nothing to do with anything (Puka agrees lol) . It's about production.

I too have been watching some more Kyren of late and may have been being
or sounding ungrateful for the kind of back he is. You're right dude runs hard
and is an absolute grinder, churner of yardage.

If our oline stays healthy his 4.1ypc should be back up to the 4.8 it was
the year before. Though he is not the back who typically will break 30-60
yard run to the house. (And he doesn't have to be)

We now have one if he pans out who can. I hope McVay sticks to committee approach he has mentioned
I had rather not have Kyren having to carry another 300+ times.
unless you're built like Derrick Henry those 300+ carries will shorten a career by quite a bit.
McVay mentioned that he liked the fact that, we have 3 backs each with different skill sets
who should be able to share the load.

Agree with most of what you said here.

Where draft position matters to me is cost to the franchise and cost of replacement.

People can jump on Kyren and say he’s easily replaceable. Yet he produces at a level you would need to use a premium pick or a lot of cap space to replace. And even then, the laws of averages and probabilities would be against you.

And he was our candidate for man of the year last season. With him you have a hard nosed, effective, TD machine that is also a very good person.

I don’t mind the Rams paying good money for such players. I would be behind them extending him if they find the right number and believe he’ll continue to be a key member of the offense.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

First of all, that’s his numbers for 2 seasons. Second, he was the 8th overall pick while Kyren was the 164th overall pick. Third, Kyren put up comparably similar numbers (except for KW’s 26 TDs to Bijan’s 18) his two healthy seasons and he even missed 4 games in what was essentially his rookie season.

No one is saying KW is Bijan or Saquan. But your litmus test seems pretty tainted.

Yesterday, I had a bunch of time with the wife out of the house and nothing I had to do. So I watched a bunch of Rams games. There were several games where Kyren WAS our offense for a good percentage of the game. There were a bunch of runs where Kyren slipped through invisible holes and pushed his way through 300 pounders. Several times he absolutely demolished blitzers and was the ONLY thing keeping Staff from being destroyed by a defensive player with a head of steam. He was a pretty good check down option and ran the screen very effectively the few times they used it.

As much as I would love a potential home run hitter, KW is a really good back. And PFF graders can eat a dick with their pass blocking grades. Watch any game where Kyren is in there and your eyes will easily tell you that.

I was watching games this winter too. I saw the exact same things that you did. Anyone who doubts Kyren’s ability just needs to put on a few games to jog their memory.

 

[RamFan503]

I was watching games this winter too. I saw the exact same things that you did. Anyone who doubts Kyren’s ability just needs to put on a few games to jog their memory.

Y’know, it’s interesting watching games several months later. I think I notice a lot more detail because I’m not all emotionally invested in the plays as they happen.

It was pretty relaxing really. I’ve only done that with a few big games in the past. This time I was really seeing certain players. Speights was all over the place and really hitting gaps. Williams had better coverage than I recall but was getting burned by some absolutely perfect passes. Limmer really needs some teaching to get better at angles and technique.

But KW was an absolute stud. The drop off to Corum and Rivers was REALLY stark even though they seem to have similar running styles. KW just makes yards where the others didn’t.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Y’know, it’s interesting watching games several months later. I think I notice a lot more detail because I’m not all emotionally invested in the plays as they happen.

It was pretty relaxing really. I’ve only done that with a few big games in the past. This time I was really seeing certain players. Speights was all over the place and really hitting gaps. Williams had better coverage than I recall but was getting burned by some absolutely perfect passes. Limmer really needs some teaching to get better at angles and technique.

But KW was an absolute stud. The drop off to Corum and Rivers was REALLY stark even though they seem to have similar running styles. KW just makes yards where the others didn’t.

Definitely. I was a big Kyren fan and watching the games again made me see him in a different light. He was so much better than I remembered.

I think you’ve got it right. Watching in a more relaxed state lets you see things more clearly. I suggest everyone rewatch games in the offseason. I like to do it in March and April.

 

[majrleaged]

I think having the last memory of the fumble that stopped us from taking the lead and seeing Saquon break long runs to beat us kind of skewed our opinions some. He is definitely the best back we have had since Gurley. It doesn't take much of a hole for him to get good yards. One might say he explodes thru the line at times. Just saying.