Question. Is building a competitive roster in ‘23 even doable, realistically?

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I'm genuinely grateful for the positive, up-beat posts on the 2023 Rams. Many of my favorite posters have expressed optimism. I'm always hopeful but unfortunately, I don't share the optimism. Just don't see much talent on the roster. Their inability (refusal) to hold onto any players this off-season has been disappointing.

I really hope I am wrong, and the Team is competitive in 2023; and very good in 2024
 

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I'm genuinely grateful for the positive, up-beat posts on the 2023 Rams. Many of my favorite posters have expressed optimism. I'm always hopeful but unfortunately, I don't share the optimism. Just don't see much talent on the roster. Their inability (refusal) to hold onto any players this off-season has been disappointing.

I really hope I am wrong, and the Team is competitive in 2023; and very good in 2024
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I wonder.

Let’s make a few assumptions, first:

Snead pulls off a coup and manages to get 2 trade downs giving Rams a total of 5 picks in Top 100-120. This might be a stretch.

Let’s further assume that all 5 are ‘hits’, meaning quality starters. Not Pro Bowlers, but at least solid starters in ‘23. Another stretch.

Let’s assume that of the remaining 8 picks one third are solid contributors. That would be a third stretch, I think.

I’m also now assuming that Rams will fill out P, K, and LS for ST from udfa’s or ranks of unemployed cheap vets, rather than spending valuable picks on 2 of them.


So, after these assumptions, where does that leave us? It leaves us with 8 picks that ‘make it’ and a whole butt load of 3rd tier vets to fill in the cracks, that’s what.

What rookie staters at what positions might we wind up with, realistically?

Let’s see…

OC
OG
Backup TE
Backup RB
Edge (maybe 2)
DL
CB
S

Oops! That’s 9 right there. Maybe only one Edge or skip the OG?

Anything more must come from the scrap heap.

Backup QB
Another Edge
ILB
Another CB (or 2)
Another S (or 2)
More depth for DL
WR (depending on AR’s fate)
P
K
LS

These are not just for the 90 in camp, these are for the 53 during regular season!

See the challenge?

We all know that Rams have thought this through, but it seems obvious that they have left themselves little margin for error. Snead has got to have the draft of his life PLUS an outstanding finishing FA to fill in the cracks. Gulp…

Want a silver lining? I do think McVay has assembled a quality asst coaching corps and that they will do a good job of rapid player development. They’re gonna have to really earn their money, that’s for sure.

And pray that Snead can pull off that hypothetical double trade down on Day 2. Without that, the scrap heap becomes even more important. Goodness.

Thoughts?
This is the correct analysis. Too many holes to fill even with R43's assumptions. Sorry Kool-Aid drinkers.

This doesn't mean that the Rams can't field an interesting and/or competitive team. I expect them to be fun to watch with a lot of young players. And maybe Mcvay and Snead can pull some rabbits out of the hat.

But objectively it is not realistic to expect great results in 2023. If you expect a lot you may be disappointed. If you enjoy the ride you may have fun.
 

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These guys aren't like fans. They're competitors. Rams don't have to say shit to them.

Now if someone like AD wants out then they'll accommodate him. But they're gonna come in and compete and fight not roll over and quit like some fans have already done.
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I wonder.

Let’s make a few assumptions, first:

Snead pulls off a coup and manages to get 2 trade downs giving Rams a total of 5 picks in Top 100-120. This might be a stretch.

Let’s further assume that all 5 are ‘hits’, meaning quality starters. Not Pro Bowlers, but at least solid starters in ‘23. Another stretch.

Let’s assume that of the remaining 8 picks one third are solid contributors. That would be a third stretch, I think.

I’m also now assuming that Rams will fill out P, K, and LS for ST from udfa’s or ranks of unemployed cheap vets, rather than spending valuable picks on 2 of them.


So, after these assumptions, where does that leave us? It leaves us with 8 picks that ‘make it’ and a whole butt load of 3rd tier vets to fill in the cracks, that’s what.

What rookie staters at what positions might we wind up with, realistically?

Let’s see…

OC
OG
Backup TE
Backup RB
Edge (maybe 2)
DL
CB
S

Oops! That’s 9 right there. Maybe only one Edge or skip the OG?

Anything more must come from the scrap heap.

Backup QB
Another Edge
ILB
Another CB (or 2)
Another S (or 2)
More depth for DL
WR (depending on AR’s fate)
P
K
LS

These are not just for the 90 in camp, these are for the 53 during regular season!

See the challenge?

We all know that Rams have thought this through, but it seems obvious that they have left themselves little margin for error. Snead has got to have the draft of his life PLUS an outstanding finishing FA to fill in the cracks. Gulp…

Want a silver lining? I do think McVay has assembled a quality asst coaching corps and that they will do a good job of rapid player development. They’re gonna have to really earn their money, that’s for sure.

And pray that Snead can pull off that hypothetical double trade down on Day 2. Without that, the scrap heap becomes even more important. Goodness.

Thoughts?
One area where I bet they are banking on finding a few players will be camp cuts. They will be 6th in line to claim guys that teams try to sneak onto their practice squad. That's the highest since McVay has been here.

Not that they will see that as a way to find starters, but I am sure they will be looking hard to find a few guys that will beef up the bottom of the roster with guys that have a chance to compete for jobs in 24' at the very least.
 

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Possible but unlikely.

We all would love a monster draft and it could happen.

Hoping for the best but preparing for the worst.

2 down years would be rough but if Mcvay don’t crack we could easily roar back in 2024.
 

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These guys aren't like fans. They're competitors. Rams don't have to say shit to them.

Now if someone like AD wants out then they'll accommodate him. But they're gonna come in and compete and fight not roll over and quit like some fans have already done.
So if fans spend lots of money and root real hard that will affect the outcome of games???:thinking::explode1:
 

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There’s always a chance. I wouldn’t lay money on it in Vegas but things can fall our way. Injuries could hit our rivals and level things out a bit to make things interesting. I don’t look for our guys to get into the fetal position before the battle starts.
 

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So if fans spend lots of money and root real hard that will affect the outcome of games???:thinking::explode1:
Maybe. No need to get all bent though. Point is acting like the players need to be talked off the ledge is what I was responding to. They're all well paid and competitors and are gonna trust in McVay and compete this season. They're not gonna cry about not adding FAs, letting guys go, etc.
 

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Maybe. No need to get all bent though. Point is acting like the players need to be talked off the ledge is what I was responding to. They're all well paid and competitors and are gonna trust in McVay and compete this season. They're not gonna cry about not adding FAs, letting guys go, etc.
Well, will disagree with you on this. Yes they are pro’s and will go out and compete…but if you are saying that players don’t care what the front office would s doing your dreaming. I don’t think it is Stafford idea to try to eek out a 7 win season coming into the last few seasons of his career. Someone is selling this to the players because I read literally everywhere that players are recruiting each other to play on their team. We are very lucky that our 2 best offensive players are quiet men publicly…that doesn’t mean they’re happy.
 

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There is more talent on this roster than most people know. I've said that if the Rams basically fill 3 defensive holes and simply change the way they play Morris zone scheme the defense can be good. Edge (drafted or vet signed after the draft), CB and ILB both can be had in the 3rd round. The offense is basically intact. They definitely need a QB2 which they can get in the 5th round and a RB3. The offensive line is where I see the Rams standing pat as well. Assuming Noteboom can return from his Achilles injury and if not Jackson has shown he can play well. So LT is IMO covered, and with Allen and Shelton they are covered at Center as well. I think their OGs will be Thomas and Bruss but they can also play Shelton and Jackson so they have options. Havenstein will be back for his final year and if Noteboom can start then Jackson is the logical successor at RT. I think they will use a 6th or 7th round pick on an OT and they can always bring back Nsekhe for one last year.

On defense they have AD, Hoecht, Brown with Murchison in rotation. Hardy OLB/edge, Kier Thomas DE, Zach VanValkenburg DE (an interesting prospect), E. Brown ILB, Rozeboom ILB and in the secondary they have Durant, Rochell CBs, Fuller, Lake and Yeast safeties. If Kendrick gets his head out of his ass then he might be a factor in a zone concept in a short zone.

This season has a lot more moving parts than the previous years, but then what year doesn't. What I'm saying is that there is a core of good players and a core of elite players. As long as those elite players stay healthy this team will be in the running for the playoffs. There is no question that they have a lot riding on this draft. But from what I've been told Snead & Co. are planning not just one year down the road but they have a 4 year plan that is constantly evolving and adjusting to new developments. I understand that because as a businessman I always had to take a long term perspective on everything. I made short term moves, but I understood what I needed over the long term.

When this team signed Stafford it wasn't whimsacal. They looked at him as a 4 year investment. When you look at his contract structure it's reflecting that planning. They expected him to play 4 perhaps 5 years but understood they needed to be ready to move on after that. Look at Stafford's contract and you get a glimpse of what the Rams plan is. When they wrote up the contract they structured it so that after he was a Ram for 4 years the contract gave them natural "outs" after 2024 and 2025. This is why I expect them to take their next franchise QB via the draft either this year or next year at the latest. This would give McVay at least a year perhaps two to groom the QB in McVay's system.

I think that is going to be their approach with key players going forward. When you look at possible elite QBs that the Rams could possibly lure away from their current franchises there really is only Josh Allen in 2026 at the earliest. So I think the trade option isn't going to be there.

There are some good QBs in this draft and next years as well. If they don't get one this year than I expect Snead to use his 1s to move up and grab one in 2024. I think this year it's get QB2. That said I still think Tanner McKee is a sleeper in this draft. I expect him to drop into the second round because he had a poor combine and his record last year at Stanford was poor. But his record at Stanford had more to do with a shit team around him. He's got the head and arm to excel in McVay's offense. To execute a west coast system you need to read defenses. Mckee has shown he does.

This team has shown they can be opportunistic in the short term. But I think to maintain a core of key players they must also take a more long term approach. I think even their hired guns will now be young enough to warrant a 4 year contract. Someone like Ngakoue fits that mold. He's 28 and projects that he can still play another 4 years at a high level. Oh BTW he was a third round pick for those who think an edge has to be a 1st round pick.

So to answer the question, absolutely this team can be competitive this year. For godsake they have an elite QB, WR and the GOAT DT, so if this team can't be competitive that's on McVay and his staff. The Rams have their offense intact, that's half the team for for godsake.

This is what I say to the doubters and the doom and gloomers...... :stop:
 

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I believe that McVay would never accept losing. If not he could have retired and gone to the booth already.

I believe he and Snead have a plan. It may not result in a SB title, but we still have the draft and possible trades or acquisition of free agents to augment the roster.

I also believe that the development of some of the younger players may pay some dividends this season.

It is obvious that they really wanted to clear some cap space but I do not believe that McVay and Snead have written off this next season as a lost season.
 

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Since I have no idea of whom so many starters (and key backups) will be are I decline to make any forecast based just on a "great coaching staff".

The idea that we can just grab currently unemployed players and turn them into solid contributors on an level equal to the players they will be replacing on the DLine, at LB, or in the D backfield seems, at best, fanciful.

Just where and how last year's predictable and anemic offensive performances against every eventual playoff bound team we faced will be improved also currently escapes me.

IIRC the Rams are the only team in the league that do not currently have a place kicker, a punter, or a long snapper even on the roster.

Very curious strategy and pardon my skepticism.
 

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Is building a competitive roster doable? Sure it is. Is it likely? That's open for debate.
 

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Is building a competitive roster doable? Sure it is. Is it likely? That's open for debate.
I would love to see this occur, to build a Ram roster that is able to win our division, but for the life of me, I cannot see it happening this offseason. There are just to many holes to fill in one offseason, perhaps after this draft and the draft of '24, but the health and age on Safford, AD, Kupp, and Haverstien are critical and immutable. I would love to be wrong.
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The easy path:

Rams succeed: “Yay! The Rams are winning!”

Rams fail: “Yay! I was right!”

I’m still predicting we make the playoffs. If I’m wrong, so be it.
 

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I find it fascinating that many here state the Rams lost all of the talent and are tanking.......didn't all that same talent get us 5 wins last year?
 

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I find it fascinating that many here state the Rams lost all of the talent and are tanking.......didn't all that same talent get us 5 wins last year?
Most of that ‘talent’ was injured and out for the season before it was half over.

Do you think a relatively healthy 2022 Rams roster wins just five games?