In a heart-beat (cap ramifications aside for the moment) but pretty sure the Jets could do much better.
Potential WR Trade Targets
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A second rd pick even the Jets don’t do that trade lol. Sorry just not a realistic trade offer to be fair
Or the Rams strategy changed, including the pass to Tutu
They had tried Tutu earlier in the game to no avail, so I dont see how he "started" anything other than being a key component to the team breaking out
That's not the issue or purpose of the post. It is to justify getting Tutu 3-5 targets a game at this point in time. It's not suppose to be solving the lack of alternatives at this time. It's about getting Tutu into the mix because he has value to the Rams offense.
Did you appreciate his contribution to the Rams win yesterday?
I did appreciate it! And always have!
I feel like I'm addressing what you're saying because we have plenty of data about Tutu usage on this team... which is there's no history of consistent targeting.
So you're accusing me of being dishonest?
Let's see, Stefon Diggs.
The Vikings traded him to Buffalo, after 5 years, because he ran his mouth too much.
Buffalo traded him to Houston, after 4 years, because he ran his mouth too much.
Houston chose not to resign him, after 2 years.
New England chose not to resign him after just 1 year.
And now he's in Washington. Sure seems like he wears teams out to me.
The Rams passed probably because they don't want a diva (an aged and slowing diva) in the locker room.
Why didn't Tutu have more production? I don't know. Ask McVay.
In the first half the Rams rushed 5 times and passed 14 times. Tutu had 40 yards and the rest of the team had 50.
In the second half the Rams rushed 22 times and passed 11 times. Change of plans?
More than interesting that after a win, the usual suspects are still complaining.
LOL that's the point. They should keep targeting him.
He has data when called on. In 2023 and 2024 when Kupp and Puka were injured. look it up. i've posted the numbers before.
I'm not arguing against it.
I'm pointing out that there's no consistent effort to do it and I don't expect it to happen now.
*expect*.. maybe they'll finally look that way more.. but I just suspect it won't happen.
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Just looked at some of the data.. seems when he has higher usage, the Rams have a worse record. Not sure what that means.
I don't feel particularly strongly about this, nor do I care too much. But you guys are right, dieter especially, very low chance he returns All Things Considered.
As opposed to what?
As an absolute with this current roster situation? Sure.
Is it the best idea, moving forward? I don’t believe so.
Like when Kupp missed the first 4 weeks of 2023 and Tutu was targeted 35 times, with 22 rec., 220 yards and a TD.
Or in 2024, when Kupp missed weeks 3 through 7 and Puka missed weeks 2 thru 7 and Tutu was targeted 35 times in 5 games, catching 23 passes for 332 yards.
No. There's no evidence he's ever been targeted a lot or that's he's been productive!!!!
If that’s at me.. I’ve said “consistently”…Like when Kupp missed the first 4 weeks of 2023 and Tutu was targeted 35 times, with 22 rec., 220 yards and a TD.
Or in 2024, when Kupp missed weeks 3 through 7 and Puka missed weeks 2 thru 7 and Tutu was targeted 35 times in 5 games, catching 23 passes for 332 yards.
No. There's no evidence he's ever been targeted a lot or that's he's been productive!!!!
Also.. more data.. look at team record when he’s targeted 6+ a game.
I was at the game yesterday, and while a win is a win, that first half left me with serious concerns about our WR room. That first quarter and most of the second was some of the most dismal offense I've seen us play, and it exposed a scary lack of consistency.
To be fair, I don't want to place 100% of the blame on the WR corps. Stafford himself has seemed a bit off this year compared to last season, and the overall sample size on the field is just not clicking consistently right now. Adding a new receiver wouldn’t magically fix everything, but the depth issue is still glaring.
With Devante out long-term and Puka constantly fighting through injury woes, we are walking a razor-thin line. I'm praying we don't sustain another injury to Puka or the already banged-up TE room, because the offense is in trouble if Stafford has to rely on the rest of this group to carry a heavy load.
Les should make a move right now. We need to trade for a legit WR3 who can take the pressure off Puka today and potentially step up to the WR2 spot next year if Devante doesn't return. Leaning in on our running game is key, but if our passing looks like it did yesterday, opposing defenses will just key on the run and force us to pass. What we saw yesterday doesn't give me a lot of confidence moving forward with the schedule we have.
To be fair, I don't want to place 100% of the blame on the WR corps. Stafford himself has seemed a bit off this year compared to last season, and the overall sample size on the field is just not clicking consistently right now. Adding a new receiver wouldn’t magically fix everything, but the depth issue is still glaring.
With Devante out long-term and Puka constantly fighting through injury woes, we are walking a razor-thin line. I'm praying we don't sustain another injury to Puka or the already banged-up TE room, because the offense is in trouble if Stafford has to rely on the rest of this group to carry a heavy load.
Les should make a move right now. We need to trade for a legit WR3 who can take the pressure off Puka today and potentially step up to the WR2 spot next year if Devante doesn't return. Leaning in on our running game is key, but if our passing looks like it did yesterday, opposing defenses will just key on the run and force us to pass. What we saw yesterday doesn't give me a lot of confidence moving forward with the schedule we have.
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It's nice to say that we are seeing some very slooooooow movement from HC on this subject. CJ got 3 snaps against LV & 2 snaps in this last Sunday.
Because he can't be used as a blocker and thus creates a dilemma for McVay.
It means Puka or Kupp or both were out with injury. Where's the data?
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I love our coach, so this is not a call for a change, but I don't believe that he adequately knows how to use his assets. He's pretty rigid, his system is rigid, and he needs players that fit it. Not the other way around.
Fitting his system to his assets is a weakness, which is why it's confusing that he brought Tutu back. I think he loves the idea of Tutu's strengths, but he doesn't know how to max his potential.
That is just something McVay NEEDS to scheme around. Send him deep on every play, and the DB will at least hesitate, don't even ask Tutu to block much.
Not like Mumpfield lights the world on fire as a blocker, and he doesn't seem inclined to put both Puka and Whittington on the field together much if at all.
Its really not that difficult.....we use our TEs, we have two good backs, a top WR in the NFL and then we have a speed WR. Even without Davante and Ferguson, our overall collection of skill players is well above average.
I think that its more just Stafford regressing a bit due to age and, he an outlier season last year. Mumpfield ran a bad route on the INT, but there is still no way Stafford should throw that ball. He has missed several open receivers this year
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The funny part is you wanting to break down what Tutu does which I get, however Stafford just doesn't throw to him much and waiting for him to be utilized more when there's a long long history of McVay and Stafford not doing so, well it'll most likely be disappointing as usual. I think if we introduce another skilled vet along with Puka and Tutu hopefully getting playing time, then everyone would benefit. Tutu just will never be used like you and others like and I understand the frustration but it's what has factually happened over and over. I just don't see that changing anytime soon.