Potential WR Trade Targets

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Man, I don't want Josh Downs. He's a one year rental that doesn't really give us much more than Tutu already gives us. I'd rather go after BTJ, he would cost less and isn't a one year rental. But who knows if the Jags really want to trade him, he's a good insurance policy incase anyone gets injured. Oh well.

I do not for a second thing Downs will cost more in a trade then BTJ. Downs has publicly asked for a trade now, which should lower his value even more, which I think was lower then BTJ's to begin with. Downs needs a contract after then season, BTJ does not. Not to mention, BTJ is younger and bigger.

Downs has a thicker body then Tutu and can absorb a lot more then stick legs Atwell IMO.
 
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Pretty sure.
Tutu is averaging 391 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 562 yards. Downs is averaging 770 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 803 yards (in 14 games). I think you're either underrating Downs or overrating Tutu. Plus, they play different roles. While Downs is pretty fast, he's more of a twitchy high-volume slot guy. Tutu is more of a vertical threat.

I'm not sure Downs is an ideal fit, but he does offer us things Tutu does not.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMxVcs-ab40
 
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Tutu is averaging 391 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 562 yards. Downs is averaging 770 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 803 yards (in 14 games). I think you're either underrating Downs or overrating Tutu. Plus, they play different roles. While Downs is pretty fast, he's more of a twitchy high-volume slot guy. Tutu is more of a vertical threat.

I'm not sure Downs is an ideal fit, but he does offer us things Tutu does not.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMxVcs-ab40

Doesn't sound like the Rams are interested in making a trade.

But, if they do Downs does have punt return experience which would help with the game day roster.
 
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Tutu has 3 catches in 4 games, we dont think Downs could offer more than that?
The fact that the Rams brought him back and are now in a situation where they need a receiver to step up and he still can't do a fuckin thing for us... All I can say is that shit feels like some poetic justice.

Not that I'm in a position to enjoy that poetic justice. Because it feels like shit. But there is that part of me that's like "ok Snead, ok McVay, tell me exactly wtf you expected Tutu to provide the moment you really needed his little ass to step up and provide some consistency in this offense."
 
Tutu is averaging 391 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 562 yards. Downs is averaging 770 yards per 17 games in his career. In his best year, he put up 803 yards (in 14 games). I think you're either underrating Downs or overrating Tutu. Plus, they play different roles. While Downs is pretty fast, he's more of a twitchy high-volume slot guy. Tutu is more of a vertical threat.

I'm not sure Downs is an ideal fit, but he does offer us things Tutu does not.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMxVcs-ab40


I dont need a lesson on wr usage. Thanks
 
I do not for a second thing Downs will cost more in a trade then BTJ. Downs has publicly asked for a trade now, which should lower his value even more, which I think was lower then BTJ's to begin with. Downs needs a contract after then season, BTJ does not. Not to mention, BTJ is younger and bigger.

Downs has a thicker body then Tutu and can absorb a lot more then stick legs Atwell IMO.
The reason I think Downs is going to be very popular at this trade window is he's a legit complement and a lot of playoff teams passing games will look much more dangerous with him added. So for example you have Harrison Jr's oversized, stupid, baby huey ass drawing a round 2 pick while a guy like Downs will be able to come in and provide you great matchups vs CB2s and CB3s depending on the defense. So what is that worth.

I don't really know what he's worth. But I'd rather have him than Harrison Jr. And there's going to be at least a handful of teams vying for him at the deadline. So unless Indy's stupid I have to think his value will go up at least decently.
 
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The fact that the Rams brought him back and are now in a situation where they need a receiver to step up and he still can't do a fuckin thing for us... All I can say is that shit feels like some poetic justice.

Not that I'm in a position to enjoy that poetic justice. Because it feels like shit. But there is that part of me that's like "ok Snead, ok McVay, tell me exactly wtf you expected Tutu to provide the moment you really needed his little ass to step up and provide some consistency in this offense."
Not sure how anybody is still defending Tutu at this point. So many years of paying this guy for absolutely nothing. Four targets in seven games it's a wonder he's even still on the roster. A decoy has to be occasionally used to be a believable decoy I'm pretty sure.
 
Not sure how anybody is still defending Tutu at this point. So many years of paying this guy for absolutely nothing. Four targets in seven games it's a wonder he's even still on the roster. A decoy has to be occasionally used to be a believable decoy I'm pretty sure.
Yes it is fucking maddening. :laugh2:
 
A decoy has to be occasionally used to be a believable decoy I'm pretty sure.
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Not sure how anybody is still defending Tutu at this point. So many years of paying this guy for absolutely nothing. Four targets in seven games it's a wonder he's even still on the roster. A decoy has to be occasionally used to be a believable decoy I'm pretty sure.
And when (if) he finally makes a play, there will be the “I told you so” crowd feeling vindicated
 
Not sure how anybody is still defending Tutu at this point. So many years of paying this guy for absolutely nothing. Four targets in seven games it's a wonder he's even still on the roster. A decoy has to be occasionally used to be a believable decoy I'm pretty sure.
But shouldn’t the ire be aimed at Snead/McVay rather than TuTu? It’s not like he’s being thrown to and dropping balls. This is McSnead drafting him high, resigning him to a high contract and then trading for him to return.
 
But shouldn’t the ire be aimed at Snead/McVay rather than TuTu? It’s not like he’s being thrown to and dropping balls. This is McSnead drafting him high, resigning him to a high contract and then trading for him to return.
Tutu and EJIII are 2 mysteries that need to be solved. At least the ILB mystery has been solved. The Rams like speed bumps and traffic cones (Reeder, Roseboom, Landman) at ILB.
 
True. Who knows, maybe Klare is a beast next year and they don't miss a beat if Parkinson is not brought back.

Afterall, it took Parkinson a year or more to feel comfortable and to perform well in this system.

I think you mean Higbee, rather than Parkinson. Parkinson is the new Higbee as Higbee came back on a discount this year and I don't think he's coming back next year and I think we draft another TE kinda high as we've seen what it means when we run 13 personnel.

Hopefully, Klare shows out later in the year and has a role next year.
 
I'd love for them to be vindicated. I'd love for Tutu to explode and put up 1000 yards over the next 10 games. Doubt it happens, but it would be nice.

It's not because he can't. As I've said in other posts, he's the second best tracker of long balls of any WR we have and third best hands overall, Puka and Higbee being ahead of him, but barely. He showed up when both Adams and Nacua were injured.

McVay wants big WRs who can block...essentially, of the 4 potential pass catchers, he'd like 2 in line TEs and 2 move TEs. Puka is used often like a move TE and even Adams has been asked to stick is face in and block. I know obviously that Puka and Adams and sometimes the rest of the WRs line up and run routes like WRs, but the whole point behind how McVay likes to fool defenses is that each play looks like the last play and gives no obvious clues as to run or pass or where the pass is going. Not always the case, but that's the design philosophy.

McVay can't ask Atwell to do that and Josh Downs wouldn't fare any better. Now...BTJ??? If they could rehab him would be ideal, but that's the question. We've already taken someone from the Jags who needed rehab, though that was more attitude as he was proven as a player in Jalen Ramsey. Still, could our coaching and culture work for BTJ? He makes sense in how McVay runs his offense.

This is gonna be a bit backwards, but McVay runs his offense like someone who buys an SUV with all the off-roading capabilities and never takes it even on a gravel path. He has a tool that can be tremendously useful, but it's not how he actually uses it no matter now much use he might get from it if he made changes.

So, unless the Big WR is also super fast, we aren't getting speed because McVay won't use the fast little guys. He just won't use them...no matter how much I scream at the TV when the DBs are sitting on the short routes.
 
It's not because he can't. As I've said in other posts, he's the second best tracker of long balls of any WR we have and third best hands overall, Puka and Higbee being ahead of him, but barely. He showed up when both Adams and Nacua were injured.

McVay wants big WRs who can block...essentially, of the 4 potential pass catchers, he'd like 2 in line TEs and 2 move TEs. Puka is used often like a move TE and even Adams has been asked to stick is face in and block. I know obviously that Puka and Adams and sometimes the rest of the WRs line up and run routes like WRs, but the whole point behind how McVay likes to fool defenses is that each play looks like the last play and gives no obvious clues as to run or pass or where the pass is going. Not always the case, but that's the design philosophy.

McVay can't ask Atwell to do that and Josh Downs wouldn't fare any better. Now...BTJ??? If they could rehab him would be ideal, but that's the question. We've already taken someone from the Jags who needed rehab, though that was more attitude as he was proven as a player in Jalen Ramsey. Still, could our coaching and culture work for BTJ? He makes sense in how McVay runs his offense.

This is gonna be a bit backwards, but McVay runs his offense like someone who buys an SUV with all the off-roading capabilities and never takes it even on a gravel path. He has a tool that can be tremendously useful, but it's not how he actually uses it no matter now much use he might get from it if he made changes.

So, unless the Big WR is also super fast, we aren't getting speed because McVay won't use the fast little guys. He just won't use them...no matter how much I scream at the TV when the DBs are sitting on the short routes.
Respectfully, Mack, I think it's because he can't. Keep in mind that Tutu left, and the Dolphins opted to trade him back to us for a guy they cut shortly after he joined their team.
 
But shouldn’t the ire be aimed at Snead/McVay rather than TuTu? It’s not like he’s being thrown to and dropping balls. This is McSnead drafting him high, resigning him to a high contract and then trading for him to return.
I've criticized them both for signing and trading for him many times before. And no ire at anybody here merely commenting that there's no excuse to back the player on the Rams anymore. They've shown they aren't going to use him at all.