Pay Him (Goff) Now or Pay Him Later?

[OldSchool]

Seems plausible to me. Unless you're saying there's no way an extension would push his salary this year to $33-million. Which, I honestly don't know how that would work.

But I would expect his extension to have an avg. in the 30s, at this point. Nice if they could get him cheaper but believing they can is optimistic, imo.

What he’s saying is the person he responded to has no idea how signing bonuses can be manipulated to hit the books. Teams will sign a guy to a five year extension since the signing bonus can be spread out over five years. While the bonus will be paid on signing they can make it so that it doesn’t show on the cap until next year. So they sign him to a five year extension for whatever dollar amount you wanted not have it show up on the books until 2020. It’s have your cake and eat it too, Goff gets his cash and the team doesn’t affect their 2019 cap.

 

[Kevin]

The Rams already exercised their fifth-year option on Goff so he is under contract through 2020. There really is no urgency to extending Goff before Prescott. The market for starting QBs on their second contract will increase over time, but I doubt that it reaches $40 million per year average before the Rams get serious about re-signing him. The team salary cap keeps going up, so if that continues, we should have no problem paying Goff, Donald, and other key players while Snead continues to juggle the rest of the roster.

 

[Akrasian]

What he’s saying is the person he responded to has no idea how signing bonuses can be manipulated to hit the books. Teams will sign a guy to a five year extension since the signing bonus can be spread out over five years. While the bonus will be paid on signing they can make it so that it doesn’t show on the cap until next year. So they sign him to a five year extension for whatever dollar amount you wanted not have it show up on the books until 2020. It’s have your cake and eat it too, Goff gets his cash and the team doesn’t affect their 2019 cap.

Exactly. They have enough cap space this season to allow a small move or two, plus injury replacements. They're not going to touch that to pay Goff, when he's under contract for over $22 million next year already. They might give him a new contract to replace next year and four years after, and give him a big signing bonus so the net is a smallish increase next season. Say give him a $60 million signing bonus that counts for 2020-2024, and reduce his salary in 2020 to $15 million or so, giving him a $27 million cap hit for 2020 - just $5 million more than he is already on the books. But they won't force themselves to strip the team for this season, especially since nobody including Goff would want that anyways. Goff will be paid, but it will involve cap hits that the Rams can survive if they have time to plan for it. It will involve gambles in the draft to replace some players - as they have been doing - but not an immediate cap hit that they don't have time to react to.

 

[CeeZar]

Question for you LA guys. Do you see him in local ads and endorsements? If he is making bank endorsing stuff in LA, the only way he bolts for another city as a FA is if it is a big market where he can make money outside of football. I'm sure he and his agent are looking at the big picture for revenue that goes beyond salary.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Question for you LA guys. Do you see him in local ads and endorsements? If he is making bank endorsing stuff in LA, the only way he bolts for another city as a FA is if it is a big market where he can make money outside of football. I'm sure he and his agent are looking at the big picture for revenue that goes beyond salary.

Watch: Jared Goff, Johnny Hekker star in hilarious Foot Locker commercials


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WalP6HtFpI&frags=pl%2Cwn


By: Cameron DaSilva | March 26, 2019 9:12 am ET

Jared Goff doesn’t come across as the funniest guy in the room or someone who’s constantly cracking jokes, but his subtly hilarious personality comes across if you listen closely. Johnny Hekker, on the other hand, is arguably the funniest player on the Rams roster, as evidenced by his tweets and comments in interviews.

The two starred in a new ad campaign for Foot Locker in celebration of Air Max Day on March 26. The commercial with Goff and Hekker pays homage to throwback commercials from the early ‘90s. They’re both Foot Locker employees named Doug, discussing the new Nike Air Max 720.


Goff was also in his own ad, which is equally funny, if not better than the commercial with Hekker.


As one of the biggest names in Los Angeles, this won’t be the last time Goff stars in a commercial or ad campaign.

 

[Akrasian]

Watch: Jared Goff, Johnny Hekker star in hilarious Foot Locker commercials


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WalP6HtFpI&frags=pl%2Cwn


By: Cameron DaSilva | March 26, 2019 9:12 am ET

Jared Goff doesn’t come across as the funniest guy in the room or someone who’s constantly cracking jokes, but his subtly hilarious personality comes across if you listen closely. Johnny Hekker, on the other hand, is arguably the funniest player on the Rams roster, as evidenced by his tweets and comments in interviews.

The two starred in a new ad campaign for Foot Locker in celebration of Air Max Day on March 26. The commercial with Goff and Hekker pays homage to throwback commercials from the early ‘90s. They’re both Foot Locker employees named Doug, discussing the new Nike Air Max 720.


Goff was also in his own ad, which is equally funny, if not better than the commercial with Hekker.


As one of the biggest names in Los Angeles, this won’t be the last time Goff stars in a commercial or ad campaign.

Hecker "What are you, some kind of bully?" Hahaha

 

[FrantikRam]

I like Goff and think he will be a top 7ish type of QB.

That's not worth $40 million - heck, IMO that's not even worth $30 million.

Re-signing a franchise QB is a fastest way to slam a Super Bowl window shut - if we win one in the next two years, then I'm fine re-signing him to join Seattle (and almost everyone else) in QB purgatory land, where the best case scenario is making the playoffs.

 

[RamFan503]

So when they extended Gurley did his current year's salary not remain the same? I'm not a cap or contract wizard but extending him now doesn't necessarily mean his cap hit THIS season would be any higher. Am I wrong there?

 

[Riverumbbq]

I like Goff and think he will be a top 7ish type of QB.

That's not worth $40 million - heck, IMO that's not even worth $30 million.

Re-signing a franchise QB is a fastest way to slam a Super Bowl window shut - if we win one in the next two years, then I'm fine re-signing him to join Seattle (and almost everyone else) in QB purgatory land, where the best case scenario is making the playoffs.

Can't really agree, ... and the longer we sign him for, the quicker the Rams realize he's become a value pick.

Imagine we sign him for 7 years at $245mil. ($35mil per year on average) with a $70mil signing bonus. His contract could be structured something like this :

2021) Year 1 of new contract = $25mil CAP hit
2022) $31mil. CAP hit
2023) $35mil. CAP hit
2024) $37mil. CAP hit
2025) $40mil. CAP hit
2026) $39mil CAP hit
2027) $38mil CAP hit

Now, consider for each new year the NFL raises its overall CAP for all teams by a minimum of $10.mil which has been standard procedure for the past few years due to increased TV and other team revenues. By 2025 when Goff's personal CAP hit is at its highest, the NFL's overall CAP would be something over $248mil, well over todays 2019 NFL CAP's current $188mil. In other words, Goff's highest CAP season would be less of a team burden than his 2020 5'th year option CAP hit of nearly $23mil.. This is just an example, but Goff getting paid doesn't end our opportunities for future success. jmo.

 

[OldSchool]

So when they extended Gurley did his current year's salary not remain the same? I'm not a cap or contract wizard but extending him now doesn't necessarily mean his cap hit THIS season would be any higher. Am I wrong there?

Correct it doesn’t mean his cap hit the year it’s signed would change at all.

As for Gurley they signed him to a 4 year extension when he had two years left when you include his fifth year option. They spread his $21 million signing bonus over five years starting on signing since we had cap space that year, I think because we moved Quinn and didn’t resign Jenkins maybe? So theat extension they had money and paid right away.

For AD it was the same as Gurley. A $40 million signing bonus they started paying right away since we had the cap space. It was a six year extension so they reworked his 5th year option into it so his cap hit the first year.

Again this is cap hit not cash paid out, it’s all cba driven accounting.

 

[FrantikRam]

Can't really agree, ... and the longer we sign him for, the quicker the Rams realize he's become a value pick.

Imagine we sign him for 7 years at $245mil. ($35mil per year on average) with a $70mil signing bonus. His contract could be structured something like this :

2021) Year 1 of new contract = $25mil CAP hit
2022) $31mil. CAP hit
2023) $35mil. CAP hit
2024) $37mil. CAP hit
2025) $40mil. CAP hit
2026) $39mil CAP hit
2027) $38mil CAP hit

Now, consider for each new year the NFL raises its overall CAP for all teams by a minimum of $10.mil which has been standard procedure for the past few years due to increased TV and other team revenues. By 2025 when Goff's personal CAP hit is at its highest, the NFL's overall CAP would be something over $248mil, well over todays 2019 NFL CAP's current $188mil. In other words, Goff's highest CAP season would be less of a team burden than his 2020 5'th year option CAP hit of nearly $23mil.. This is just an example, but Goff getting paid doesn't end our opportunities for future success. jmo.

Every team that has paid a QB top dollar has had their opportunities for success ended - depending on how you define success.

If we win a Super Bowl before paying him, I have no problem with that - but if we don't, I am fairly confident we won't win one after we sign him and his supporting cast slowly gets worse - I would rather keep all the talent and find a new QB than keep the QB and try to find all that talent.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Every team that has paid a QB top dollar has had their opportunities for success ended - depending on how you define success.

If we win a Super Bowl before paying him, I have no problem with that - but if we don't, I am fairly confident we won't win one after we sign him and his supporting cast slowly gets worse - I would rather keep all the talent and find a new QB than keep the QB and try to find all that talent.

Tom Brady seems to keep doing it. It's tough enough to get to and win a Super Bowl, but without a top QB guiding your team, it's even more difficult. I'm not saying that Goff is Tom Brady, but I believe he is still far from his peak years at only 24 years of age. I tried to point out how an expensive QB contract isn't the end all for team success, especially as overall NFL CAP's rise significantly every year. Pair an excellent coach with a quality QB and surround him with a few pieces, he can take you pretty far. The Rams have all 3 right now and I have no reason to believe paying Goff is going to change that, or that it will come at the expense of the team having future success. Goff's CAP went up only $1.1mil from last year, yet we still lost Saffold, Suh, Joyner, Barron, Sullivan & CJ Anderson, ... it's just the nature of the game, and like all the other 31 teams, we must work the draft and free agency properly to get to the top, but without a 1'st rate QB captaining the ship, it's pretty much for naught. I happen to believe that Goff is first rate, and we still haven't seen the best of him, not even close. I mean c'mon, the kid is only 24, he's got a great future in front of him. jmo.

 

[Akrasian]

Tom Brady seems to keep doing it. It's tough enough to get to and win a Super Bowl, but without a top QB guiding your team, it's even more difficult. I'm not saying that Goff is Tom Brady, but I believe he is still far from his peak years at only 24 years of age. I tried to point out how an expensive QB contract isn't the end all for team success, especially as overall NFL CAP's rise significantly every year. Pair an excellent coach with a quality QB and surround him with a few pieces, he can take you pretty far. The Rams have all 3 right now and I have no reason to believe paying Goff is going to change that, or that it will come at the expense of the team having future success. Goff's CAP went up only $1.1mil from last year, yet we still lost Saffold, Suh, Joyner, Barron, Sullivan & CJ Anderson, ... it's just the nature of the game, and like all the other 31 teams, we must work the draft and free agency properly to get to the top, but without a 1'st rate QB captaining the ship, it's pretty much for naught. I happen to believe that Goff is first rate, and we still haven't seen the best of him, not even close. jmo.

Well, the Rams' future success as they get more big contracts will depend on two things continuing. They will trade down picks at times to get cheaper quantity, and they need to hit on many of those lower picks. And they need to be a desirable destination for aging free agents, who will take less for an improved shot at a ring.

Oh, and it would be nice if they developed surpluses at some positions at some point, so they can trade a player a year or two early, for more picks that might be high. That's much harder to do of course, if you are trying to compete every year.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Watch: Jared Goff, Johnny Hekker star in hilarious Foot Locker commercials


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WalP6HtFpI&frags=pl%2Cwn


By: Cameron DaSilva | March 26, 2019 9:12 am ET

Jared Goff doesn’t come across as the funniest guy in the room or someone who’s constantly cracking jokes, but his subtly hilarious personality comes across if you listen closely. Johnny Hekker, on the other hand, is arguably the funniest player on the Rams roster, as evidenced by his tweets and comments in interviews.

The two starred in a new ad campaign for Foot Locker in celebration of Air Max Day on March 26. The commercial with Goff and Hekker pays homage to throwback commercials from the early ‘90s. They’re both Foot Locker employees named Doug, discussing the new Nike Air Max 720.


Goff was also in his own ad, which is equally funny, if not better than the commercial with Hekker.


As one of the biggest names in Los Angeles, this won’t be the last time Goff stars in a commercial or ad campaign.

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[tempests]

To quote Goff, "when the time is right". Rams have a plan.

You know, there are worse things than having a talented young QB locked up and knowing his best years are still ahead of him. We've already experienced "QB purgatory" and this wasn't it.

 

[coconut]

You know, there are worse things than having a talented young QB locked up and knowing his best years are still ahead of him.

No not really.

Now something easier on the eyes.

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[yrba1]

Would rather pay him now but regardless, I'm confident Demoff will have a contract for him that'll make Rams fans and Goff happy

 

[RamFan503]

Correct it doesn’t mean his cap hit the year it’s signed would change at all.

As for Gurley they signed him to a 4 year extension when he had two years left when you include his fifth year option. They spread his $21 million signing bonus over five years starting on signing since we had cap space that year, I think because we moved Quinn and didn’t resign Jenkins maybe? So theat extension they had money and paid right away.

For AD it was the same as Gurley. A $40 million signing bonus they started paying right away since we had the cap space. It was a six year extension so they reworked his 5th year option into it so his cap hit the first year.

Again this is cap hit not cash paid out, it’s all cba driven accounting.

That's along the lines of what I was thinking. They could front load or spread it out however they need in order to stay within the "cap".

I think every year people quote cap numbers and talk about how we can't do this or that and lo and behold, we still sign the free agent or our own guy. I'll worry about it when there's an impass and Jared holds out. Even then I'll figure there's a plan. I have a MUCH greater comfort level with this front office than even when CR was our owner. These guys seem to be a step ahead and I see no reason to doubt they will be in this case.

 

[RamFan503]

No not really.

Now something easier on the eyes.

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Do those teeth fold back and forth? Asking for a friend.

 

[coconut]

Do those teeth fold back and forth? Asking for a friend.

Do tell your experience with folding teeth.