Only Kirk Cousins Could Be an $84M Bust and an MVP Dark Horse at the Same Time

[CanadaRam]

Which is exactly my point. You have no idea what he will do from this point on. To call him a bust at this stage of his career is moot. Steve Young did squat his first 7 years. How did that turn out for him? The fact is, Cousins's current stats are better than Youngs first 7 years.

These are Marino's numbers for his first 7 years. 103 games. He was 54-37 his first 7 years. Dominating.

comp att percent yards TD's INT.

2174​

3650​

60%​

27853​

220​

125​

I did not call Cousins a bust. I said he is not HoF right now (anything can change).

I'm not sure that you watched football in the early 80s, Marino dominated. Cousins has never dominated in that way. Not even close imo.

The NFL has changed so much to make the passing game much easier. Comparing QB stats from over 30 years ago makes no sense.

Cousins has been at best a top 10 QB during so far in his career.

 

[DVontel]

What do you expect? He played in WASH on a shit team, they were terrible. He helped get them to sort of respectable and when he left they went to shit again. The fact that they made the playoffs once was very much because he had a very, very good season.

IMO he's star QB.

Shit team? He had a good amount of weapons pretty much his whole career. There was never a team he was on where it was just devoid a talent.
A star is a guy that has elevated the team around him when it has mattered the most & has at least 1 playoff win. He has neither.

 

[Raptorman]

I did not call Cousins a bust. I said he is not HoF right now (anything can change).

I'm not sure that you watched football in the early 80s, Marino dominated. Cousins has never dominated in that way. Not even close imo.

The NFL has changed so much to make the passing game much easier. Comparing QB stats from over 30 years ago makes no sense.

Cousins has been at best a top 10 QB during so far in his career.

I've been watching football since 1966. I know how the game has changed and when it changed. Like all top NFL QB's that "dominated", they all "dominated" when they had a good defense. Marinos record when he had a top 12 or better defense in ppg is 80-32, which includes his first few years. His record when he didn't have top defense is 83-76, barely above .500. Show me a top HOF QB and I can show you almost exclusively a top defense that helped them "dominate". Marino, Montana, Young, Stabler, Starr, Brady. There are a few exceptions of course, but Marino isn't one of them.

 

[DVontel]

I mean I'm not going to sit here and defend a QB that's not a Ram. But your point goes back to the modern media BS when it comes to signal callers, thinking that splash plays or "star" moments is what it's all about.

But football remains a team game. Tom Brady has never been a guy who delivers huge splash plays, he has been the beneficiary of a super elite defensive mind who tends to put him in position to win games. Now I get it, you have a young QB who delivers splash plays and you're all about that. Well, ok, but since football is a team game it's not really about your smurf QB but rather how well your organization stacks the defense and the offense around him to include a consistent ground game.

QBs in the end get judged from years of consistent play. RG3 in his rookie year was changing the game they said. Kaepernick was going to be the best ever to play the position. And so on. Year to year can they survive the churn? If you don't realize all that you're probably just not old enough as a fan but you'll get there man.

What? Brady has made many playoff moments or “splash plays” as you want to call it. I’m not sure what he has to do with any of this. Neither does Kyler. Just say that you wanted to take a shot at my QB, lol.

All in all, Cousins has just been an average QB that has failed to deliver a big moment & elevate his team. If he can’t do it this year with this amazing team around him, I doubt he’ll ever will.

 

[CanadaRam]

I've been watching football since 1966. I know how the game has changed and when it changed. Like all top NFL QB's that "dominated", they all "dominated" when they had a good defense. Marinos record when he had a top 12 or better defense in ppg is 80-32, which includes his first few years. His record when he didn't have top defense is 83-76, barely above .500. Show me a top HOF QB and I can show you almost exclusively a top defense that helped them "dominate". Marino, Montana, Young, Stabler, Starr, Brady. There are a few exceptions of course, but Marino isn't one of them.

I don’t understand what that has to do with Cousins.
My point is Cousins is not on Marino’s level.

 

[Raptorman]

Shit team? He had a good amount of weapons pretty much his whole career. There was never a team he was on where it was just devoid a talent.
A star is a guy that has elevated the team around him when it has mattered the most & has at least 1 playoff win. He has neither.

That's the myth of the "elite" QB. Hate to say it, he doesn't exist. Never has. Oh, they may be "elite" for a year or two, see Jackson this year, but to maintain that is almost impossible.

As to Washington. Cousins' defense in Washington gave up and an average of 25 points per game during his career. It's pretty much impossible to have a winning record when your defense gives up that many point per game. It doesn't matter how much "talent" he had around him.

 

[Raptorman]

I don’t understand what that has to do with Cousins.
My point is Cousins is not on Marino’s level.

Marino isn't on the level you make him out to be. Either is Brady or Rodgers. The "elite" QB is a myth. Good QB's who don't make mistakes who have good defense's win.

 

[CanadaRam]

Marino isn't on the level you make him out to be. Either is Brady or Rodgers. The "elite" QB is a myth. Good QB's who don't make mistakes who have good defense's win.

You’ve now confused me. What are you trying to say? That all good QBs are the same? Strange argument for someone has been watching since the sixties.
I’ve said Marino Was much better than Cousins.
if Vikings had Marino in his prime, I believe that they would be SB favorited in 2019.

 

[LesBaker]

All in all, Cousins has just been an average QB that has failed to deliver a big moment & elevate his team. If he can’t do it this year with this amazing team around him, I doubt he’ll ever will.

Average?

LOL.

 

[DVontel]

Average?

LOL.

Well you did say he was a star.

 

[Raptorman]

You’ve now confused me. What are you trying to say? That all good QBs are the same? Strange argument for someone has been watching since the sixties.
I’ve said Marino Was much better than Cousins.
if Vikings had Marino in his prime, I believe that they would be SB favorited in 2019.

They would be. But it's not reality. If Brady had been on the Dolphins the last 20 years, the Dolphins may have one maybe two more wins per year. The QB doesn't make the team good, If that was the case, the Packers should have 5 SB's during the Rodgers era. The fact is, Rodgers has only had a top defense one year. The year he won the Super bowl. Are some QB's better? Absolutely. But it's not governed by wins or losses. I believe if you switch Manning and Brady to the other team, the Pats would have 9 rings right now. Manning was a much better QB than Brady who did more with a lesser team.

 

[LesBaker]

@DVontel STAHP.

Cousins is 6th overall in the HISTORY of the NFL in passer rating while playing on mediocre to crappy teams.

The guys ahead of him are..........Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Romo, Brady.

The list below him?

Everyone else that has ever played QB in the NFL.

BTW for perspective Goff and Wentz are tied at 15th at 91.9 just to give some perspective on "era". Cousins is 97.

 

[Angry Ram]

With the current view of QBs, seems like every QB is a "bust". QB "analysts" claiming as such only focus on the contract and not the Ws.

 

[Raptorman]

Put it like this. If Cousin's defense's had only given up 18 points per game, his record would be 65-25 instead of 42-41-2

 

[DVontel]

@DVontel STAHP.

Cousins is 6th overall in the HISTORY of the NFL in passer rating while playing on mediocre to crappy teams.

The guys ahead of him are..........Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Romo, Brady.

The list below him?

Everyone else that has ever played QB in the NFL.

BTW for perspective Goff and Wentz are tied at 15th at 91.9 just to give some perspective on "era". Cousins is 97.

Ah okay. That settles it. No context or anything.

You’re also the guy that said the Giants regret letting Rivers go for Eli so I understand.

 

[Ellard80]

Cousins gets a ton of hate for the same reasons that most things happen - word of mouth syndrome.

Popular opinions repeated over and over again and its a fact... like that Jerry Jones is a meddler.

Cousins is a good quarterback.

 

[fearsomefour]

The Monday night thing is so stupid.

 

[Merlin]

With the current view of QBs, seems like every QB is a "bust". QB "analysts" claiming as such only focus on the contract and not the Ws.

Yes and the splash plays they can trot out there for wow factor and clicks. We live in an age of ignorance in spite of all the data that is at our fingertips.

 

[TexasRam]

Put it like this. If Cousin's defense's had only given up 18 points per game, his record would be 65-25 instead of 42-41-2

WAIT!

So a QB success and ability to reach the Super BOWL is dependent on other players?

You don't say.

 

[TexasRam]

HOF Kurt Warner 93.7 QB Rating

Kirk Cousins 97.0 QB Rating

Kurt Warner played with Faulk, Bruce, Holt and Hakeem then Fitzgerald and Bolden.